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Iraq war began much earlier.

Before all of Republican haters start jumping up and down and start reminding me that I voted for B_sh, here is a disclaimer. I am extremly disappinted with the actions of this regime in the light of recent “memos”.

This is a war about oil or (he tried to kill my daddy). It has nothing to do with freedom or democracy and NO for the hundreth time Saddam was no threat to US security.
DAMNING DOCUMENT

Memo pointed to criminality

Truth is Iraq war began much earlier

By MICHAEL SMITH

IT is now nine months since I obtained the first of the “Downing Street memos,” thrust into my hand by someone who asked me to meet him in a quiet watering hole in London for what I imagined would just be a friendly drink.
At the time, I was defense correspondent of the London Daily Telegraph, and a staunch supporter of the decision to oust Saddam Hussein. The source was a friend. He’d given me a few stories before but nothing nearly as interesting as this.

The six leaked documents I took away with me that night were to change completely my opinion of the decision to go to war and the honesty of Prime Minister Tony Blair and President Bush.

They focused on the period leading up to the Crawford summit between Blair and Bush in early April 2002, and were most striking for the way in which British officials warned the prime minister, with remarkable prescience, what a mess postwar Iraq would become.

Even by the cynical standards of realpolitik, the decision to overrule this expert advice seemed to be criminal.

The second batch of leaks arrived in the middle of this year’s British general election, by which time I was writing for a different newspaper, the Sunday Times. These documents, which came from a different source, related to a crucial meeting of Blair’s war Cabinet on July 23, 2002. The timing of the leak was significant, with Blair clearly in electoral difficulties because of an unpopular war.

I did not then regard the now-infamous memo — the one that includes the minutes of the July 23 meeting — as the most important. My main article focused on the separate briefing paper for those taking part, prepared beforehand by Cabinet Office experts.

It said that Blair agreed at Crawford that “the U.K. would support military action to bring about regime change.” Because this was illegal, the officials noted, it was “necessary to create the conditions in which we could legally support military action.”

But Downing Street had a “clever” plan that it hoped would trap Saddam into giving the allies the excuse they needed to go to war. It would persuade the U.N. Security Council to give the Iraqi leader an ultimatum to let in the weapons inspectors.

Although Blair and Bush still insist the decision to go to the United Nations was about averting war, one memo states that it was, in fact, about “wrong-footing” Saddam into giving them a legal justification for war.

British officials hoped the ultimatum could be framed in words that would be so unacceptable to Saddam that he would reject it outright. But they were far from certain this would work, so there was also a Plan B.

American media coverage of the Downing Street memo has largely focused on the assertion by Sir Richard Dearlove, head of British foreign intelligence, that war was seen as inevitable in Washington, where “the intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy.”

But another part of the memo is arguably more important. It quotes British Defense Secretary Geoff Hoon as saying that “the U.S. had already begun ‘spikes of activity’ to put pressure on the regime.” This we now realize was Plan B.

Put simply, U.S. aircraft patrolling the southern no-fly zone were dropping a lot more bombs in the hope of provoking a reaction that would give the allies an excuse to carry out a full-scale bombing campaign, an air war, the first stage of the conflict.

British government figures for the number of bombs dropped on southern Iraq in 2002 show that although virtually none were used in March and April, an average of 10 tons a month were dropped between May and August.

But these initial “spikes of activity” didn’t have the desired effect. The Iraqis didn’t retaliate. They didn’t provide the excuse Bush and Blair needed. So at the end of August, the allies dramatically intensified the bombing into what was effectively the initial air war.

The number of bombs dropped on southern Iraq by allied aircraft shot up to 54.6 tons in September alone, with the increased rates continuing into 2003.

In other words, Bush and Blair began their war not in March 2003, as everyone believed, but at the end of August 2002, six weeks before Congress approved military action against Iraq.

The way in which the intelligence was “fixed” to justify war is old news.

The real news is the shady April 2002 deal to go to war, the cynical use of the United Nations to provide an excuse, and the secret, illegal air war without the backing of Congress.

Smith writes on defense issues for the Sunday Times of London.

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Kaleem, people are disappointed when their favorite sports team loses, when the guy you elected as President scams his way into a war you should be outraged .

Those you’ve elected live in an alter reality, its one where Bush thinks it’s funny to joke about his 2nd term being in a “quagmire”.
http://www.kesq.com/Global/story.asp?S=3517240
I know he’s f’king hilarious, the parents of a dead Marian killed in Iraq really enjoy such humor by Bush.

But don’t worry about your ‘extreme disappointment’ Kaleem, I’m sure it’ll pass and you’ll vote Republican again because you fear that all Democrats all crazy liberals who want to give equal rights to gays and provide the poor with healthcare, I mean come one, you’ll take a war over that any day, right? Besides that Bill Clinton lied under oath about a getting a blowjob.

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sod the ruddy marine, he was paid for what he was doing. Its the iraqi civilians we should be worried about. They were on the reciveing end of Bush's sick 'humour'.

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the Demoncrats have started and perpetuated their own share of wars so let's not for a moment think that a Demoncrat in the administration wouldn't continue this charade.. ever heard of Hillary or Dean or Joe Biden talk about withdrawl from a territory wrongfully invaded and bring the kids back home?

AND Clinton did much worse than just getting his knob shined at work..

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I think it's rather clear how the Democrats feel about Bush and his foreign policy. The solution is not packing up and just running out on Bush's failed military adventure.

You do hear Biden calling for an independent U.S. investigation into Guantanamo and is open to the idea of closing it.

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yes.. classic diversion.. no talk of investigating the DSM or acknowledging that the invasion was based on a web of lies and that US presence in the region is unappreciated so get the hell out for America's sake.. Noooooo continue the same circus as long as the masters in Tel Aviv want it..

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John Kerry's letter to the Senate Intelligence Committee requesting an investigation of pre-war Iraq intelligence failures (and the Downing Street Memo)

June 22, 2005
The Honorable Pat Roberts, Chairman
The Honorable John D. Rockefeller, IV, Vice Chairman
United States Senate Select Committee on Intelligence
SH-211
Washington, DC 20510

Dear Senator Roberts and Senator Rockefeller:
We write concerning your committee's vital examination of pre-war Iraq intelligence failures. In particular, we urge you to accelerate to completion the work of the so-called "Phase II" effort to assess how policy makers used the intelligence they received. Last year your committee completed the first phase of a two-phased effort to review the pre-war intelligence on Iraq. Phase I-begun in the summer of 2003 and completed in the summer of 2004-examined the performance of the American intelligence community in the collection and analysis of intelligence prior to the war, including an examination of the quantity and quality of U.S. intelligence on Iraqi weapons of mass destruction and the intelligence on ties between Saddam Hussein's regime and terrorist groups. At the conclusion of Phase I, your committee issued an unclassified report that made an important contribution to the American public's understanding of the issues involved. In February 2004-well over a year ago-the committee agreed to expand the scope of inquiry to include a second phase which would examine the use of intelligence by policy makers, the comparison of pre-war assessments and post-war findings, the activities of the Policy Counterterrorism Evaluation Group (PCTEG) and the Office of Special Plans in the Office of the Under Secretary of Defense for Policy, and the use of information provided by the Iraqi National Congress. The committee's efforts have taken on renewed urgency given recent revelations in the United Kingdom regarding the apparent minutes of a July 23, 2002, meeting between Prime Minister Tony Blair and his senior national security advisors. These minutes-known as the "Downing Street Memo"-raise troubling questions about the use of intelligence by American policy makers-questions that your committee is uniquely situated to address. The memo indicates that in the summer of 2002, at a time the White House was promising Congress and the American people that war would be their last resort, that they believed military action against Iraq was "inevitable." The minutes reveal that President "Bush wanted to remove Saddam, through military action, justified by the conjunction of terrorism and WMD. But the intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy."

The American people took the warnings that the administration sounded seriously-warnings that were echoed at the United Nations and here in Congress as we voted to give the president the authority to go to war. For the sake of our democracy and our future national security, the public must know whether such warnings were driven by facts and responsible intelligence, or by political calculation. These issues need to be addressed with urgency. This remains a dangerous world, with American forces engaged in Iraq and Afghanistan, and other challenges looming in Iran and North Korea. In this environment, the American public should have the highest confidence that policy makers are using intelligence objectively-never manipulating it to justify war, but always to protect the United States. The contents of the Downing Street Memo undermine this faith and only rigorous Congressional oversight can determine the truth. We urge the committee to complete the second phase of its investigation with the maximum speed and transparency possible, producing, as it did at the end of Phase I, a comprehensive, unclassified report from which the American people can benefit directly.

Sincerely,
John Kerry
Co-signers: Sens. Tim Johnson, Jon Corzine, Jack Reed, Frank Lautenberg, Barbara Boxer, Edward Kennedy, Thomas Harkin, Jeff Bingaman, Richard Durbin

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UTD, yes its nice that John Kerry is requesting the investigation now, where was he when senate overwhelmingly approved going to war.....plus I am not sure if JK would have done anything differently....like PA said, its the pressure from the Israel.

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Kaleem, Congress approved the use of force as a last resort only.
Why put responsibilty on Bush for his actions when you can blame Israel, classic.