Are Trump uncle’s executive actions also effecting green card holder Pakistanis ?
I know Pakistan is not in the list of 7 countries, but still you never know.
I’m planning to fly in near future but in kinda limbo now.
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It doesnt, but if you can postpone your trip for a while until the legal details on trump’s EOs have been worked out by lawsuits, I would strongly recommend doing that. Like you said, you never know what Trump might sign on tomorrow.
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No, not yet. But the way you and I and everyone else is seeing this person taking actions like he is PMSing (sorry no offense ladies). So if you can avoid immediate travelling please do so. Even if you have to, just be careful and cut short and come back earliest.
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I know someone who is traveling to Pakistan this February…sort it out with your lawyer, know your rights, and prepare for the worst.
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pakistan will not be affected or banned. Too many american vested interests
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don’t be so sure - Bannon/Trump doesn’t care for american interests globally. They did the muslim ban in the most underhanded manner bypassing Mattis and Kelly, and have dismantled the national security council structure yesterday to further keep the establishment in the dark on future policies if need be. Assume the worst.
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Normally Pakistanis are told here by travel advisors to not to apply for a visa at this moment , Chances of rejection
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I also think u postponed your trip for now
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So it looks like most Pakistani green-card holders are now cancelling their trips
Trump travel ban: Pakistanis fear they’re next - BBC News
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Aman Salman’s mobile barely stops ringing these days. He runs a small travel agency in Long Island, New York, catering mostly to clients of Pakistani origin.**
Phone calls usually mean good business.
But since last Friday, when President Trump signed his Executive Order banning travel from seven Muslim-majority countries, most of these calls have been to cancel tickets.
Pakistan, a Muslim-majority country, is not on Mr Trump’s list. But there is huge concern and anxiety in the community that its inclusion is imminent.
“At least 95% of my Green Card holding clients, who had booked their tickets to Pakistan months in advance, have cancelled it,” says Mr Salman.
He is also getting frantic calls from those already in Pakistan trying to get the earliest possible return dates, even if that means paying stiff charges to change tickets.
Mr Trump’s order stops the admission of refugees from Syria indefinitely and further bans entry of all citizens from seven countries including Iraq, Syria, Iran, Sudan, Libya, Somalia and Yemen.
A Customs and Border Protection statement clarifies that the current order doesn’t apply to Green Card holders’ entry to the United States, but there has been much confusion about the order, and reports of inconsistencies as to how it’s being applied at airports.
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i was planning trip to phoenix last week. had to cancel my cousin refused to pick me up from air port. He was like i dont wana wait 3 days outside the airport for you.
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**UNCLE Trump knows very well where all the Green Uniform American Soldiers in Afghanistan get their Food, Beer and snacks supplies from…all come through Good Ole Pakistan!
it will be foolish to to ban Pakistan Green Card Holders!**
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Recently a pakistani senator has been refused a US Visa, he demanded that foreign office should summon US Ambassador and ask why, lolz.
But its good they’re refusing these so-called “elite” already
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that “senator” is openly pro-taliban. why is he even a senator?
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elites are already there with lots of looted money… one of them may be your neighbor… some say he have bought land size of Pakistan in Canada… don’t know how true that was.. but India surely paid him good and i don’t know if your mushy ( the then army general and president of Pakistan and your saviour) knew about his activities.. should have known.. otherwise how come mushy be that wealthy… by the way is Mushy in Can
Jammat Ali Shah
Elites get their visa processed on priority bases… and these european and Amercian and Canadian economy have significant % of “looted wealth” of the elites..
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A very important article and thats why i’m copying the content here as well:
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/14/business/border-enforcement-airport-phones.html
Haisam Elsharkawi was about to travel from Los Angeles to Saudi Arabia last week when, he says, he was stopped at the airport, questioned, handcuffed, questioned some more and then released without charges three hours after his flight had departed.
Mr. Elsharkawi, 34, an American citizen, said in an interview on Monday that officers from United States Customs and Border Protection repeatedly pressured him to unlock his cellphone so that they could scroll through his contacts, photos, apps and social media accounts.
He said they threatened to seize the phone if he did not comply.
“I travel all the time, and I was never asked to unlock my phone,” said Mr. Elsharkawi, an electronics salesman from Anaheim, Calif. “I have personal photos there, which I think is normal for anyone. It’s my right. It’s my phone.”
Eventually, he relented, and a Homeland Security agent looked through his phone for about 15 minutes, he said.
A NASA scientist, Sidd Bikkannavar, said he had a similar experience to Mr. Elsharkawi’s in January, when he was detained at the Houston airport until he handed over a NASA-issued phone for inspection, he told The Verge.
So before you travel, here’s some information on what border agents can and cannot do, along with recommendations from lawyers.
Border agents have broad authority to search
American border agents have the legal authority to conduct searches at the United States border that a police officer on the street wouldn’t. Laws created that allow agents to search bags without a judge’s approval, for purposes of immigration or security compliance, have been extended to digital devices.
But activists say inspecting a digital device is far more intrusive than inspecting a suitcase. They noted that the device can contain not just personal photos and messages, but could also compromise anyone else the owner may have communicated with.
“Before government agents should be able to go rifling through that trove of private data, they should have a very good reason based on individualized suspicion of illegal activity,” said Nathan Freed Wessler, a staff attorney for the American Civil Liberties Union. “People’s most private details of their lives will be made bare without justification.”
The policies that give border agents the latitude to search or seize devices
were used under the Obama administration, to much criticism. There’s no available data to suggest that they are happening more under the administration of President Trump, though activists say they have anecdotally heard of more reports.
A customs agency spokesman said the agency could not comment on individual cases. But he said agents had inspected 4,444 cellphones and 320 other electronic devices in 2015, amounting to 0.0012 percent of the 383 million arrivals. Figures on 2016 and 2017 were not yet available.
Can agents force you to unlock your phone or laptop?
No. But they can ask you to comply voluntarily and make the experience rather uncomfortable if you resist. Travelers must decide how much trouble they’re willing to put up with.
You may end up losing your device, since agents could seize the device for weeks before it is returned. They could also copy the data. (That data must be destroyed “as expeditiously as possible” if it is not valuable, according toHomeland Security policy.)
Travelers have reported that they’ve been detained for hours and questioned aggressively. Mr. Elsharkawi, whose trip included a pilgrimage to Mecca after an 18-hour layover in Istanbul, said his payment for his Turkish Airlines flight was not refunded after he missed it.
Travelers who are not citizens could have further problems, especially if they’re flying into the United States. While citizens are guaranteed re-entry, foreign nationals could be denied entry, and the law isn’t clear on permanent residents, said Sophia Cope, a staff lawyer for the Electronic Frontier Foundation, a nonprofit organization that defends civil liberties in the digital age.
In October, for example, a Canadian journalist on his way to cover the Dakota Access oil pipeline protests was denied entry into the United Statesafter he declined to unlock his phone, citing the need to protect his sources.
“People have to figure out what is their tolerance for risk, and what do they want to accomplish,” Ms. Cope said.
Can agents force you to turn over social media passwords?
No. But those who unlock their phones are most likely giving agents full access to their social media accounts, even if they don’t tell them the passwords.
Since most people remain logged into their accounts on their phones, unlocking the phone would allow officers to sift through private Facebook posts, direct messages on Twitter and Instagram photos that are set to be accessible to friends only.
Mr. Elsharkawi did not give agents his social media passwords. But when he allowed an officer to look through his phone, he said, she commented on his emails and apps. He doesn’t know if she looked through his social media accounts, he added.
Some activists fear gaining access to social media accounts will become a greater focus for border agents. Last week, John F. Kelly, the Homeland Security secretary, said officials were considering a policy that would allow agents to ask refugees and immigrants for their social media login information. The Obama administration considered a similar move but never put it into effect.
While that policy would not apply to citizens, Ms. Cope said, it would be “a very small step for them to start doing that to Americans, as well.”
What can you do to prepare?
T**ravel with the least amount of data you need.
Hassan Shibly, the chief executive director of Council on American-Islamic Relations-Florida, suggested that people buy “burner phones” that they can discard before entering the airport.
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Ms. Cope said people should power down their devices before getting to the airport, and encrypt the data they travel with. (Wired has a guide to the technical aspects of keeping your data safe.)
What should you do if it happens to you?
It’s an individual decision. As a matter of principle, said Robert McCaw, the director of government affairs at CAIR, people should not unlock their devices. And they should request a lawyer.
“There’s absolutely no reason why the federal government should be asking you for your password to your computer or your social media without a warrant. Period,” Mr. McCaw said. “There’s no justification.”
But some activists said it’s understandable why some people comply to such a demand, depending on what they have to lose by resisting.
Mr. Elsharkawi, who lives in Anaheim with his wife and three children, said requesting legal assistance appeared to inflame his situation.
“I opened the doors of hell when I asked for a lawyer,” he said. “They just started attacking me verbally. ‘Why do you need a lawyer? Are you a criminal? What are you hiding?’ ”
After allowing the Homeland Security officer to examine his phone, he said, he was immediately released.
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^^^Not comparing here!
but isn’t USA is doing what USSR used to do, filter every bit of thing which enters or leave USSR!!! it surely didn’t help Soviet Union… i wonder if it’ll be helpful to USA… seems like no privacy left for Americans and/or immigrants…
just a question… what if these things intensify? how it will impact US and the its citizens and naturalized both!!! it is uncomfortable for sure
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Or China or North Korea. But few steps behind. Thats wut happens anywhere where one crazy mind gets a hold of all powerful resources.
Its bad by all means and unless someone is devoted Trump follower, people are definitely uncomfortable. But again, its reported to be happening with muslims only. Non-muslims go through very normal stuff.
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Muslims are being questioned about their faith and beliefs now when they enter the US:
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@NaMaan mere bhai, I sincerely hope you know binary search and other programming if you are in IT.
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Is it you Nomi. Cant believe my eyes , you are back :)))) so good to see you here man . Trump ki policies nai jagaa daala bhaiyya?