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Resolution passed. 128 for 9 against 35 abstained. I think Afghanistan gone with usa at the last moment
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Afghanistan and India went against USA. Do you think Trump will stop aiding/supporting these countries? No way.
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I heard the announcement that afganistan revoked co sponsorship of the resolution. however they voted against.
Sure Amerika will not stop aid. Maliha said correctly that aid/support is not for free rather for getting influence.
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There is no such thing as free lunch there is no such thing as aid. The proof is in the pudding the proof is in UN vote.
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That’s more of a propaganda to justify break up of Germany once again.
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Then, Hitler punished the German Jews for their leaders (Zionists) conspiring against their home country (Germany) during the World War I. When Germany was winning the war at the cost of British and allies defeat, German Zionists visited England and offered Brits that they (Jews) would bring America into the war to defeat Germany. The King desperately agreed and as per Jewish negotiation, Palestine was gifted to the Zionists under Balfour Declaration in 1917.
**The Christians had always hated and persecuted the Jews. They could have created a Jewish state in Europe also like they had created a few countries following the First World War. But perhaps the British thought that they would be better off without a Jewish state in Europe and settling them within Arabs would be a good idea.
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I dont think anyone is going to listen to arguments on Israel’s legitimacy to exist. That train left teh station more than half a decade ago. But what the world is mostly convinced of, including americans, is that Israel bullies, dehumanizes, and encroaches on Palestine incessantly and needs to be stopped. By going back to the whole omg israel should be in germany thing, you might as well not be talking.
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More than half-century you mean?
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6M - lol, they only added few jeros… 
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if not in Europe, then Jews should have been “gifted” Madagascar, this way while world have lived in peace!
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mein kehta hoon hanibal jee, jayee aur ja ka explore karien history ko
the israel which we see today, where did this land come from? the fact of the matter is that rich jews and jewish companies started to buy this land from local arab Palestinians way before israel was formed. By 1945 bunch of jewish companies had already bought over 1000 sq KM of Palestinian land from Palestinians with their will. so why are they crying now? they sold their land themsselves
and who was supporting UK and US in forming Israeli foundation after first world war ? it was house of saud from saudi arabia who was busy conspiring against turks by shaking hands with UK and its allies. the covert alliance between the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia and the Zionist entity of Israel should be no surprise to any student of British imperialism.
History is clear. After the Cairo Conference in March 1921, here the new Colonial Secretary Winston Churchill met with all the British operatives in the Middle East, T.E. Lawrence (i.e. of Arabia) was dispatched to meet the Sharif to bribe and bully him to accept Britain’s Zionist colonial project in Palestine but Sharif rejected all the offers upon which House of Saud offered their help, kicked Sahrifs out of Saudi land to Jordan, took over Saudi arabia with UK help and in the mean process stated to support formation of israel for jews.
so if we want to be upset, lets be upset at our arab muslim rulers who helped formation of israel. USA is protecting israel but did not create israel.
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Sorry but things are not just black and white as you have presented them.
Do not blame Arabs as they didn’t have an empire at that time. Blame Turks who lost their empire, Palestine, Hijaz (holy lands) were part of the Ottoman Empire. Muslims everywhere had been enslaved and colonised by Europeans. Muslims worldwide were undergoing a generalised decline. And you’re pointing your guns at Arabs alone probably to portray that Iranians are holy and they will liberate Palestine with the help of their stooges and mercenaries in Hizbullah?
Those days of post WWI have been over. This is the 21st century. Muslims have been struggling to emerge as a power. This recovery will take time. It doesn’t mean that you can throw all efforts to save Palestine in a bin using excuses of something that happened 100 years ago.
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dear, historical context is always critical to understand and solve problems. so we cant say what happened 100 years ago is not important and or relevant today.
and i dont know how can i blame turks more than arabs. arabs are the one who conspired against the only muslim kingdom of that time, the ottoman empire. i laid out the fully history of what happened in those fateful years. Saud family of today’s saudi arabia lent themselves to be part of the conspiracy which led to the formation of Israel. and that is why even today suadi arbia and Zionist israel have good relationship under the table. they share a past which is undeniable. if muslims want to free Palestine, they need to understand the context and history. Palestine will never be freed as long as saud family is ruling in saudi arabia.
and i am not so sure why are you trying to make this issue shia-sunni issue. why are you bringing iran into this issue in such racist way? i did not make one single mention of iran in my post. and i dont even support iran and hazb’s role in middle east. so you are derailing the whole thread.
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You’re quoted the wrong guy
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Well, the British defeated Turks in the WWI. In other words Turks had been the sick man in Europe and they didn’t deserve to have any caliphate. The Sauds didn’t exist everywhere in the Ottoman Empire, yet Turks lost in Iraq, Syria, Jordan and Palestine as well. I don’t understand how Sauds were able to conspire against Turks in the whole of empire. Were they some superman or batman family?
Secondly, Sauds didn’t fight a war with Iraelis directly. Those who fought weren’t Sauds (Egyptians, Syrians, Jordanians) and they all made peace with Israel. Any hand of Sauds in that also?
Thirdly, in the Iran Iraq War, Khomeni of Iran bought weapons from Israel against Iraq (Iran contra scandal).
Fourthly, Israel buys Iranian oil from open market? (myth?)
Fifthly, the big mouth of Persia, Ahmadi Najad threatened to wipe out Israel off the face of earth, yet Iran and Hizbullah were watching the show when Gaza was under attack by the criminal Zionists.
And lastly, I wasn’t being racist when I mentioned Iran and Hizbullah in the context of your post, but I pointed out a fact that usually those who drag Sauds in everything have an Iranian agenda because of the historical enmity of Arabs and Persians.
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man you are brutal or to put in right context!!! history is brutal
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Thank you for pointing that out, reposting below:
They did not buy all the land where Isarelis have settlements, otherwise UN wouldn’t be stupid to pass so many resolutions against illegal settlements, not reading much? its okay. Besides, this mystery of Zionist companies started to buy huge chunks of lands, I did not read that before, recently started to ‘emerge’. Do you have historical references?
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if you want to be selective in history, what can i do…
first, i have never said that turks were going to win WW1 and arabs are responsible for their overall defeat. I am a humble student of Ottoman history and therefore very well aware of their shortcomings in WW1. turks were fighting WWI at different places globally along with their allies but my comment was merely focused on what happened in jordan, Palestine, iraq, and today’s saudi arabia/middle east during WWI and afterwards. saud family was one actor, sharif family (which ended up in jordan) was another actor, and then we had tons of arab tribes spread around all of middle east and pretty much of all of them conspired against turks in favor or UK (lawrence of arabia their god father) one way or the other. Turks had one of the longest rail-line called hejaz railway in those days, 1,800 miles distant, from istanbul to medina and for nearly two years, British army with full support of their Arab rebel allies including saud tribe attacked its bridges and isolated depots, thus destroying turks supply chain completely.
later on after turks were defeated, suad family offered their help to UK in formation of israel and was rewarded with saudi kingdom, sharifs resisted and therefore were deported to smaller and poorer kingdom of jordan. that is the point i am making.
second, yes saudis dont have direct diplomatic relationship with israel but they have never really helped yasir arafat or PLO or any other org either to fight against israel. they have always kept a strange cold shoulder (other than shah faisal) towards Palestinian and their leadership. You cannot compare saudi and iran in that aspect. that is the fact
and if you think i have any agenda of supporting iran by saying what i just said above, you are wrong as i said earlier. I am biggest opponent of Iran, its policies, its brutal religious regime, its inqilab, its military aims, and its ideological bent. iran and saudi both are also responsible for fighting their proxy wars in pakistan and destroying my country.
we have made our points, good discussion with you. Peace Bro!