Trump blames Pakistan for Afghan mess

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Sheikh Rasheed wanted to open the back door Chanel
Pl don’t think otherwise , He was talking on US relations
ہم کب تک کرائے کے آدمی بنے رہیں گے، شیخ رشید](https://www.express.pk/story/920583/)

[RIGHT]تم اورعمران خان لڑکپن سےاس میں مبتلاہو سیاسی طورپر تم دونوں کرائےپرکام کرنےوالوں کےمستقل چمچےکڑچھےہواب اس عمرمیں کیاخیال آگیا؟ بیک ڈور چینل کھولنے کا ؟[/RIGHT]
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کب تک پاکستانی کرائے کے آدمی بنیں رہیں گے، سربراہ عوامی مسلم لیگ[/RIGHT]
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**Unlike some kids relying on the Media for history…I was there when it happened i.e. the interrogation of Khans of Kalat in the Quetta Jail!

…the smoke you mentioned can be cleared from your perception :smokin:**

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They are still not stopping aid even after accusing Pakistan of terrorism? What will make them do so?

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Just a sharp video to highlight wut could be the motives and consequences of this craziness, based on the history:

Click below:

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US policy and we , both or on double policy
They show unhappiness over JuD to please Indiabut on other hand their puppet KSA and our agencies are helping them
They have got easily registration of their new name , Milli Muslim League and their money collecting wing FIF is working openly with permission
[RIGHT]انسانی حقوق کمیشن آف پاکستان کے اسد بٹ نے اس سیاسی جماعت کی تشکیل پر اپنی رائے دیتے ہوئے ڈی ڈبلیو کو بتایا، ’’یہ ایک انتہائی منفی فیصلہ ہے، جس شخص کو دنیا اشتہاری سمجھتی ہے ، آپ اس کو سیاست میں لاکر یہ ثابت کر رہے ہیں کہ بین الاقوامی برادری کا یہ الزام صحیح ہے کہ ہم اچھے اور برے انتہا پسند وں کی تعریفوں پر عمل پیرا ہیں۔ ایک طرف ہم داعش اور طالبان کے خلاف لڑ رہے ہیں تو دوسری جانب ہم ان ہی جیسی تنظیموں کو سیاست میں لار ہے ہیں۔ ‘‘
ایک سوال کے جواب میں اسد بٹ نے کہا ، ’’درحقیقت ی…
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That would make you well past 100 at this moment.

Itni chawwali mat chorr.

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**Now you have shown a bit of Chawwali side yourself by not knowing when the first Coup-detat happened!

I figured right when I said “unlike some kids”

all you need to do is Google it before jumping to conclusions…Kapeesh!**

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You said that you were there meaning that you were next to ayub and iskandar.

otherwise, your guess is good as mine or actually mine is better since it is backed up by FACTs.

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فواد – ڈيجيٹل آؤٹ ريچ ٹيم – يو ايس اسٹيٹ ڈيپارٹمينٹ

يہ سوچ کہ امريکی حکومت دہشت گردی کے سدباب کے ضمن ميں پاکستان کی بے پناہ قربانيوں کو فراموش کر کے پاکستان کو دھمکی دے رہی ہے، حقائق کے منافی ہے۔ صدر ٹرمپ نے اپنی تقرير ميں جو جملے کہے تھے وہ ذيل ميں پيش ہيں

“ماضی ميں پاکستان قابل قدر اتحادی رہا ہے۔ ہماری افواج نے مشترکہ دشمنوں کے خلاف مل کر کام کيا ہے۔ پاکستانی عوام نے دہشت گردی اور انتہا پسندی کے ہاتھوں بہت نقصان اٹھايا ہے۔ ہميں ان قربانيوں اور کاوشوں کا ادراک ہے۔”

پاکستان اور امريکہ کے مابين تعاون کی طويل تاريخ اور پاکستان کی قربانيوں کو تسليم کرنا ايسی وجوہات ہيں جن کی بنياد پر اس بات کی اشد ضرورت ہے کہ دہشت گردی کے ان محفوظ ٹھکانوں کے سدباب کے مزيد کاوشوں کی جائيں جو خود پاکستانی معاشرے کے ليے بڑا خطرہ ہيں۔

اسی بات کا حوالہ صدر ٹرمپ نے اپنی تقرير ميں ديا تھا

“افغانستان ميں ہماری جاری کاوشوں ميں اتحادی بننا خود پاکستان کے ليے انتہائ سود مند ہے۔ ان مجرموں اور دہشت گردوں کی محفوظ پناہ گاہيں پاکستان کے ليے نقصان دہ ہيں”۔

يہ تاثر کہ امريکی حکومت ذمہ داری دوسرے فريقين پر ڈال رہی ہے يا خطے ميں اپنے اہم ترين اتحاديوں کو ايک دوسرے کے خلاف اکسا رہی ہے، نا صرف يہ کہ انتہائ لغو الزام ہے بلکہ غير منطقی بھی ہے کيونکہ افغانستان اور پاکستان کے مابين تعاون اور اشتراک عمل خطے ميں دہشت گردی کے محفوظ ٹھکانے ختم کرنے کی ہماری پاليسی کا اہم ترين ستون ہے۔ ياد رہے کہ دہشت گردی کے ان ٹھکانوں سے تمام فريقين کو يکساں خطرات ہیں۔

ہمارے ليے يہ بالکل غير دانشمندانہ اور نقصان دہ طرز عمل ہے کہ ہم ايک دوسرے پر الزام تراشی اور گروپ بندی کی ايسی روش اختيار کريں جس سے ہمارے مشترکہ دشمن کو فائدہ پہنچے۔ ہميں اس بات پر مکمل يقين بھی ہے اور ہم پراميد بھی ہيں کہ دہشت گردی کا عفريت جس نے سرحد کے دونوں جانب ہزاروں بے گناہ شہريوں کی جان لی ہے، دونوں ممالک اس کے خاتمے کے ليے مل کر کام کريں اور اسے شکست ديں۔ اور اس ہدف کا حصول صرف اسی صورت ميں ممکن ہے اگر تمام فريقين ايک دوسرے کے ساتھ تعاون کريں۔

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oh well the bot finally showed up.

Time to put this thread to pasture.

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Do you remember all those who used to post under the signature of Centcom? I’m guessing they all got fired as soon as uncle Trump sworn in.. :\

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It is truly bizarre since they are slashing state dept’s budget and letting go of experienced diplomats.

You know it is bad when not much can differentiate between nawaz sharif etc and trump.

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No need of any comment , Everyone knew ,who backs these elements
****The New York Times**‏Verified account **@nytimes](https://twitter.com/nytimes)
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He has a $10 million American bounty on his head. That hasn’t stopped him from become the face of a political party.
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He’s on Wanted Posters in U.S., and Campaign Posters in Pakistan
Hafiz Muhammad Saeed has a $10 million American bounty on his head but lives in the open in Pakistan. Now, he has become the face of a new politic…
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حماقتیں ، مزید حماقتیں ، مزید رسوائی مزید بربادی

And worst is still little away

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US weighs dropping Pakistan as an ally

Trump administration accuses country of housing militants as relations hit new low

SEPTEMBER 15, 2017 by Katrina Manson in Washington
The Trump administration is considering dropping Pakistan as an ally as it examines tough measures to quell more than 20 terrorist groups it says are based in the country.Officials familiar with the Pakistan prong of Washington’s new “AfPak” strategy — which involves an open-ended commitment in Afghanistan and praise for India — say it has yet to be fleshed out. But they have plenty of levers.President Donald Trump last month promised to get tough on Pakistan, accusing it of “housing the very terrorists that we are fighting”. It was the most public breach yet in an often rocky relationship.“No US president has come out on American national television and said such things about Pakistan,” said Husain Haqqani, former Pakistan ambassador to the US.“US policymakers are at the end of their tethers about what they see as Pakistan not helping them while promising to help them.”The administration has already put $255m in military aid on hold after Mr Trump announced the policy shift. It is eyeing an escalating series of threats, which include cutting some civilian aid, conducting unilateral drone strikes on Pakistani soil and imposing travel bans on suspect officers of the ISI, the country’s intelligence agency. It could also revoke Pakistan’s status as a major non-Nato ally or designate it a state sponsor of terrorism.The latter options would limit weapons sales and probably affect billions of dollars in IMF and World Bank loans, along with access to global finance.“Thinking of Pakistan as an ally will continue to create problems for the next administration as it did for the last one,” Lisa Curtis, former CIA analyst who now leads South Asia policy in the National Security Council, wrote in a joint report with Mr Haqqani earlier this year.Ms Curtis, who works closely with the state department, believes the Obama administration “erred” by relying on personal ties and aid packages to try to change Pakistan’s behaviour.In 2011 when we killed Bin Laden, relations were at their worst, but on the face of it, it’s worse now just because we haven’t talked to them much.Mike Mullen, former chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, visited Pakistan more than 25 times during his 2007-11 tenure, seeking close ties with powerful army head and former spy chief General Ashfaq Parvez Kayani. He became disillusioned, lambasting an Afghan Taliban group known as the Haqqani network as “a veritable arm” of the ISI.“It was my belief and continues to be my belief that unless we had an ally that we could work together to greatly eliminate the threat then our efforts in Afghanistan were going to fail,” said Mr Mullen.“In 2011 when we killed [Osama] Bin Laden, relations were at their worst, but on the face of it, it’s worse now just because we haven’t talked to them much.”Some who recall being beguiled by late nights spent with military and civilian leaders over Johnnie Walker Blue Label — the expensive whisky beloved by Pakistan’s elite in the officially dry country — say even forceful private conversations regularly disappoint.James Dobbins, special envoy in 2013-14, became frustrated by failed promises from army chief Gen Raheel Sharif to go after militant groups“It’s very difficult to deal with an interlocutor who says he agrees with you but actually doesn’t,” he said.“The Pakistanis originally saw the Taliban as an instrument that they could manipulate to their advantage and since view it as a monster they’ve created but can’t afford to suppress.”The state department, which has long been reluctant to cut aid or censure Pakistan in public, and which previously pushed Mr Mullen to “tone down” his rhetoric, is adapting to the harsher line set by the White House.“We look to the Pakistani government to take decisive action against militant groups based in Pakistan that are a threat to the region,” said a state department official, adding that it will address major concerns “privately”.Zalmay Khalilzad, a former US ambassador to Afghanistan, applauds the tougher line. “Pakistan has reacted publicly harshly but I believe we have got their attention and this is now serious and they are making noises privately to the Afghan government about getting together to talk,” he said.Pakistan cancelled a planned visit this month from Alice Wells, the state department official in charge of south Asia policy, in protest at Mr Trump’s announcement. But Ms Wells met Pakistan’s ambassador to the US this week and a state department official said the pair has regular contact.Relations are expected to take a further blow from US efforts to forge closer ties with rival India. “We need to respect and trust India — they have not leaked nuclear secrets or shared sensitive nuclear technology with rogue countries,” said Tim Roemer, former US ambassador to India, a reference to Pakistan’s nuclear proliferation.Pakistan prime minister Shahid Khaqan Abbasi said this week it is “unfair” to blame his country for troubles in Afghanistan, adding that the US should have greater respect for its efforts to combat militancy.Ryan Crocker, former US ambassador to Pakistan in the wake of 9/11, says Pakistan resents the wild oscillations in support from the US.“They went from our most allied of allies to our most sanctioned of sanctioned,” he said, recalling that the US worked with Pakistan to defeat Soviet Russia during the 1980s Afghanistan invasion but, once it had won, cut aid and imposed sanctions over its emergent nuclear programme.“Their narrative about us is here today, gone tomorrow and it has deeply affected their strategic thinking.”

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Can’t disagree with that. They betrayed Afghans too in the 80s once their goal was achieved. Even today there is no proof they are after long term peace in Afghanistan. They can ditch and run any moment. Pakistan should always think about post US Afghanistan.

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N Korea to face total destruction: Trump

World News: Washington, US President Donald Trump said on Tuesday that the United States will be forced to “totally destroy” North Korea unless Pyongyang backs down from its nuclear challenge, mocking North Korean leader Kim Jong Un as a “rocket man” on a suicide mission. Loud murmurs filled the green-marbled UN General Assembly hall when Trump issued his sternest warning yet to North Korea, whose ballistic missile launches and nuclear tests have rattled the globe. Unless North Korea backs down, he said, “We will have no choice than to totally destroy North Korea.” “Rocket man is on a suicide mission for himself and his regime,” he said. North Korea’s mission to the United Nations did not immediately respond to a request for comment on Trump’s remarks. A junior North Korean diplomat remained in the delegation’s front-row seat for Trump’s speech, the North Korean UN mission said. In his first appearance at the annual gathering of world leaders, the president used a 41-minute speech to take aim also at Iran’s nuclear ambitions and regional influence, Venezuela’s collapsing democracy and the threat of Islamist extremists. He also criticised the Cuban government. But his strongest words were directed at North Korea. He urged United Nations member states to work together to isolate the Kim government until it ceases its “hostile” behaviour. He said North Korea’s pursuit of nuclear weapons and ballistic missiles “threatens the entire world with the unthinkable cost of human life.” In what may have been a veiled prod at China, the North’s major trading partner, Trump said: “It is an outrage that some nations would not only trade with such a regime but would arm, supply and financially support a country that imperils the world with nuclear conflict.” Turning to Iran, Trump called the 2015 nuclear deal negotiated by his predecessor, Barack Obama, was an embarrassment and hinted that he may not recertify the agreement when it comes up for a mid-October deadline. “I don’t think you’ve heard the last of it,” he said. He called Iran an “economically depleted rogue state” that exports violence. The speech marked his latest attempt to lay out his America First vision for a US foreign policy aimed at downgrading global bureaucracies, basing alliances on shared interests, and steering Washington away from nation-building exercises abroad. Trump, who entered the White House eight months ago, told world leaders at the 193-member global body that the United States does not seek to impose its will on other nations and will respect other countries’ sovereignty. “I will defend America’s interests above all else,” he said. “But in fulfilling our obligations to other nations we also realise it’s in everyone’s interest to seek a future where all nations can be sovereign, prosperous and secure.” Reading carefully from a script, Trump said the US military would soon be the strongest it has ever been. Turning to Venezuela, Trump called the collapsing situation there “completely unacceptable” and said the United States cannot stand by and watch. He warned the United States was considering what further actions it can take. “We cannot stand by and watch,” he said. Let’s not sleepwalk our way into war: UN secretary-general Shortly before Trump’s speech, UN Secretary-General Antonio Guterres appealed from the General Assembly lectern for statesmanship to avoid war with North Korea. “This is the time for statesmanship,” said the former prime minister of Portugal. “We must not sleepwalk our way into war.” The UN Security Council has unanimously imposed nine rounds of sanctions on North Korea since 2006 and Guterres appealed for the 15-member body to maintain its unity on North Korea. Trump has warned North Korea that military action was an option for the United States as Pyongyang has carried out a series of tests toward developing the ability to target the United States with a nuclear-tipped missile. Financial markets showed little reaction to Trump’s speech, with most major assets hovering near the unchanged mark on the day. World News

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Our PM Abbasi spoke positive at UNGA
[RIGHT]وزیر اعظم شاہد خاقان عباسی نے اقوام متحدہ کی جنرل اسمبلی سے خطاب کرتے ہوئے کہا کہ بھارتی قابض فورسز کشمیریوں کی جدوجہد کو طاقت کے ذریعے کچل رہی ہیں۔
ان کا کہنا تھا کہ بدقسمتی سے آج یو این چارٹر کی مسلسل خلاف ورزیاں کی جارہی ہیں۔ عراق اور شام میں داعش اگرچہ کمزور ہوگئی مگر دہشت گردی کے واقعات آج بھی دنیا میں جاری ہیں۔
شاہد خاقان عباسی کے کہا کہ وہ سیکریٹری جنرل اقوام متحدہ کی امن و سلامتی کے لیے کوششوں کو سراہتے ہیں۔[/RIGHT]
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The PM had a brief meeting with US President Trump on the sidelines of the UNGA’s 72nd session

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](Facebook)گریٹ گیم کے پاکستان پر پھیلتے سائے](Facebook)

INDIAN RESPONSE with Shameful remarksپاکستان’دہشت گردی برآمد کرنے کی فیکٹری ہے’، سشما سوراج کے الزامات
اقوام متحدہ کی جنرل اسمبلی سے خطاب میں بھارتی وزیرخارجہ نے کہاکہ ہم نے ڈاکٹرانجینیئرز پیدا کیے، آپ نے دہشت گرد پیدا کیے۔

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“We produced scholars, doctors, engineers. What have you produced?” Swaraj asks.
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She forgot to add Col Prohit in the list

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What a clear and state forward approach , She made a mistake of showing irrelevant photo but her speech was amazing
[RIGHT] اقوامِ متحدہ میں پاکستان کی مستقل مندوب ڈاکٹر ملیحہ لودھی نے پاکستان پر دہشت گردی برآمد کرنے کے بھارتی الزامات مسترد کرتے ہوئے بھارت کو جنوبی ایشیا میں دہشت گردی کی ماں اور سرپرست اعلیٰ ریاست قرار دے دیا۔
اقوامِ متحدہ کی جنرل اسمبلی سے خطاب کرتے ہوئے ڈاکٹر ملیحہ لودھی کا کہنا تھا کہ دنیاکی سب سے بڑی جمہوریت سب سے بڑی منافقت ہے۔
ملیحہ لودھی نے کہا کہ بھارت، پاکستان کے خلاف بہتان تراشی پر اتر آیا ہے۔
انہوں نے کہا کہ پاکستان، بھارت کے ساتھ تمام مسائل کاحل مذاکرات سے چاہتا ہے …
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“Indian spy Kulbhushan Yadav has confessed to committing terrorism in Pakistan,” says Pakistan’s representative at UN.
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