I remember growing up in a city where almost all street openings were blocked by HUGE and Heavy Iron gates to block army/Police to enter, every day our eyes used to burn because of tear gas, where the whole city was backing MQM, and then later I hear this BS of MQM hakeeki this, and MQM Mutaheda that…and many youngsters from Karachi either killed by MQM, Police, Military, or fled the country.
so, what I am saying is, If Punjab/Military can eradicate such a strong political party, they surely can divide and conquer pashtuns and Balochs, NO?
Re: Truly, if Pakistan army can divide and conquer Karachi/MQM
I remember growing up in a city where almost all street openings were blocked by HUGE and Heavy Iron gates to block army/Police to enter, every day our eyes used to burn because of tear gas, where the whole city was backing MQM, and then later I hear this BS of MQM hakeeki this, and MQM Mutaheda that......and many youngsters from Karachi either killed by MQM, Police, Military, or fled the country.
so, what I am saying is, If Punjab/Military can eradicate such a strong political party, they surely can divide and conquer pashtuns and Balochs, NO?
This is not a flame, just a question.
What does Punjab has to do with this? My family is from Karachi as well.. And lets face it the only ones to be blamed for all this mess is no one but the karachi people themselves... The people of Karchi were educated and smart enough to realize what they were getting themselves into...
As far as the Pak military goes.. yeah I think they should be able to resolve the matter... its a matter of time...
Note: People of Pakistan should realize they are Pakistanis... not Muhjirs..sindhis..punjabis..balochis or phatans... If I missed anyone, I am sorry cuz I wasnt brought up being taught the various sects of Pakistan.. To me they were all just Pakistanis..
Few days ago a few MQM MPAs or MNAs were looted on their way from the Governor House to their Holy House (90). So far 150 ppl have been picked up most of which would probably be innocent, and would probably be tortured, insulted.
Surprising how the city authorities and the police became so efficient just to find out who took the MQM ppl’s phones, jewelry and cash, while no one is ever caught when a common man is depriived of a car, motorcycle, large amounts of cash, or even life…perhaps the efficiency is just to punish whoever dared to ‘operate’ in their ‘baap ki city’ and instead of all ‘common citizens’ easily available, targeted them…
Re: Truly, if Pakistan army can divide and conquer Karachi/MQM
Oh yeah, I am not backing MQM, even though we were part of that political party, they were no better then any other political party. My point was that, if Military can break such a stronghold, why is the NWFP/Baloch issue still not resolved?
Re: Truly, if Pakistan army can divide and conquer Karachi/MQM
I will differ from that, army brought the 'Haqiqi' people from abroad to crack the foundation wide open, Haqiqi people were supported with arms, para-military, police... whenever MQM people tried to go there for "any" reason they were shot, killed etc.
Re: Truly, if Pakistan army can divide and conquer Karachi/MQM
Where the frick have you all been, trapped in an underground nuclear fallout shelter for the last 15 years???? Cause MQM hasn't gone anywhere and its criminal enterprise well intact, in fact the strongest its ever been...
Re: Truly, if Pakistan army can divide and conquer Karachi/MQM
Like I mentioned I was taught to recogonize each Pakistani as a Pakistani only... thats why my knowledge of further divisions in Pakistan is very vague. Sorry.:)
Re: Truly, if Pakistan army can divide and conquer Karachi/MQM
Comparing Karachi and NWFP/Balochistan is like comparing a chicken to a bull (no offence). In order for you to make this comparison, you must look into the history of these regions first.
The people of the NWFP/Balochistan have been inhabiting this region for many centuries. Pashtuns and Balochis run a very strict tribal society which in turn has resulted in a very fierce and independant group of people. You also have to think about geography and the land that these people live on. It is very rugged and mountainous. The inhabitants know their land better than the army so theres another disadvantage for Pakistan. Maybe you have never had the oppertunity to visit the frontier but these people are natural born gorilla fighters. they have a history of fighting great conquerers/empires and have succeeded many times.
Karachi on the other hand, is a heavily populated city dominated by Indian immigrants and their descendants. Keep in mind that these immigrants are literally Pakistan and represent Pakistan as a nation on a national/international basis with their Punjabi counterparts. What ever disputes they have with the government they can overcome because it is their government. They are not fighting a freedom struggle, while the Balochis are. They are not disputing teritory while the people of the frontier are.
Re: Truly, if Pakistan army can divide and conquer Karachi/MQM
The people of the NWFP/Balochistan have been inhabiting this region for many centuries. Pashtuns and Balochis run a very strict tribal society which in turn has resulted in a very fierce and independant group of people. You also have to think about geography and the land that these people live on. It is very rugged and mountainous. The inhabitants know their land better than the army so theres another disadvantage for Pakistan. Maybe you have never had the oppertunity to visit the frontier but these people are natural born gorilla fighters. they have a history of fighting great conquerers/empires and have succeeded many times.
Karachi on the other hand, is a heavily populated city dominated by Indian immigrants and their descendants. Keep in mind that these immigrants are literally Pakistan and represent Pakistan as a nation on a national/international basis with their Punjabi counterparts. What ever disputes they have with the government they can overcome because it is their government. They are not fighting a freedom struggle, while the Balochis are. They are not disputing teritory while the people of the frontier are.
Re: Truly, if Pakistan army can divide and conquer Karachi/MQM
MQM are a bunch of goons, and I hate them more then any other party because they did corruption and violence using "Mahajirs" name. Pathetic also are people who support MQM and fail to see the faults in them.
This is not a knock on any other community, but Mahajirs are the most well-educated and well-cultured community in Pak. But how they let themselves be ruled by a bunch of gangsters and dons was shameful. I know, the rule of force is prominent in many areas in Karachi, just like everywhere else. But I have met people, even here in Canada, who support MQM and in fact work closely with the party by conducting gatherings for donation and awareness. Shame on all of them..
Re: Truly, if Pakistan army can divide and conquer Karachi/MQM
If we make language and different dialects as the basis for physical division, whole pakistan will be divided into small multiple entities. Even in Panjab people in jhelum, Mianwali, jhang and sargodha have different dialects of panjabi. It is not the people but a few selfish and opportunist so called leaders who want to keep this issue alive to stay visible on the political radar.
Re: Truly, if Pakistan army can divide and conquer Karachi/MQM
I remember growing up in a city where almost all street openings were blocked by HUGE and Heavy Iron gates to block army/Police to enter, every day our eyes used to burn because of tear gas, where the whole city was backing MQM, and then later I hear this BS of MQM hakeeki this, and MQM Mutaheda that......and many youngsters from Karachi either killed by MQM, Police, Military, or fled the country.
so, what I am saying is, If Punjab/Military can eradicate such a strong political party, they surely can divide and conquer pashtuns and Balochs, NO?
This is not a flame, just a question.
The creation of MQM was another cheap ploy by Zia in order to consolidate his grip on power. MQM's initial stand was right. I mean people have the right to protest if they feel discriminated against but violence under any garb is unacceptable and inexcusable. Likewise the Balochi's are right to voice their concerns if they genuinely feel that the centre and other provinces are not giving them their due share but burning and damaging state and public property cannot and should not be accepted under any circumstances. Life will be much simpler and things a lot more peaceful in Pakistan if everyone thought of themselves as Pakistanis first............
Re: Truly, if Pakistan army can divide and conquer Karachi/MQM
This is not a knock on any other community, but Mahajirs are the most well-educated and well-cultured community in Pak. But how they let themselves be ruled by a bunch of gangsters and dons was shameful. I know, the rule of force is prominent in many areas in Karachi, just like everywhere else. But I have met people, even here in Canada, who support MQM and in fact work closely with the party by conducting gatherings for donation and awareness. Shame on all of them..
Re: Truly, if Pakistan army can divide and conquer Karachi/MQM
Oh bhai, gone are the days when army used to 'conquer' MQM, now they're trying to win them over to their side. MQM's long-term success in Pakistani politics depends upon how willing they are to eschew terrorism and how quickly they can jettison the leaders who have been involved in subversive activities. If they don't make these changes, then any gains they make will be reversed when Musharraf leaves office.