Heyyy ppl,
basically this is about imam’s.. the people who teach us at the mosq, and the ppl who are our role models at present.. but unfortuntly the story i am about 2 tell u is rather upsetting an sumthin we should think about.
my friend as a young gurl was taught by an imam “molvi” wateva u want 2 call it, but one day she was alone at the mosq at the age of 8/9 she was left alone becoz her parents arrived late 2 collect her, now how would she know the mosq da safest place 2 b, would b da the worst place where der was a molvi who abused her. When herr parents did arive she didnt tell dem anythin becoz she felt ashamed an why would her parents believe a molvi would abuse her?, anyways she lost all faith in islam an u all would understand why…
but my question is should any1 just step up 2 b a molvi? i mean a molvi is sum1 who makes us gain faith in islam an not loose it.
Just because this molvi is a perv in the lowest sense of the word who deserves to be in the lowest pits of hell does not mean that all molvis will be pervs. What happened to ur friend was horrible and it is understandable why she would turn away. Hopefully she can see the real side of Islam, and be drawn back into it. :)
Whoever does wrong deeds should be punished. Doing bad deeds in house of worship is even more shameful.
(But somehow I think your post is not to ask question. You already knew the answer! Wink wink! so try another thread with another question with another "true" story!)
But there are molvis like these, im not saying all of dem are like dat becoz there are alot of gud molvis out der, but der are pervs like those too an r der any solutions 2 resolve these things?
Yeah my friend has turned 2 her faith now an is a well practising muslim mashallah.
and deedwar my question asks 4 opinions not answers i just want opinions on how we can solve these things from neva happenin
There is no place/institution within our faith that you can complain to regarding such situations. Its a tender young age, but hopefully her parents reported the Imam and levered a good case against him.
If you know who it is, maybe you can help her pin him down and get him kicked out of his position.
As to what qualifications one needs to become an Imam in a masjid these days, honestly I have no clue. I would think there is some sort of certification, but I don't know if that applies in masjids in the USA or abroad elsewhere.
lissen if u dont believe dis u dont hav 2, i dont kno why u are starting an argument with me sorry if i hav offended u in any way, but my friend has been hurt in da process. posting on gupshup means gettin opinions an if u dont hav any den dont post on my thread.
First you cleanly come up why you posted such an event.
Anyone hurt I feel sorry for her from bottom of my heart.
But you just wanted to post a story. Since you did not ask for an opinion..you made an opinion yourself. Coming to gupshup with the story like that had no intention but to talk bad about religeous figure like a molvi.
I have all the reasons to post if I see something bashing my great religeon.
Now even if this event occured then it should have been dealt by the parents or now supposedly grown up woman by all means. And that person deserves all the punishments. But obviously she will have to prove it. No where in this world any law exists which is able to fairly deal with these kind of horrible situations.
I have to admit that you have offended me by posting such an event which did not even occur to you in the first place.
Do not post in public forum if you do not want to be heard. Its an open forum for all members.
I did not want to argue just pointed out the obvious.
Aside from the shoddy English, why get mad at the poster? Are we too insecure to admit that someone could actually have the nerve to pretend like they're a religious person with a serious duty and then go off and do such vile actions?
Child molestors are everywhere. But hey, its worse if you're feigning to be a religious leader and then committing the same crime.
Are u seriously kidding me? The guy wants to know basically how this can be stopped and what qualifies someone to become an imam.
I think that's pretty legit. Sorry, I know its hard to digest that someone could do such a thing, but if you turn your face away from it, then you're no better.
Sadly, it's been happening a lot and it's happening everywhere. As a precaution, parents should not trust anybody and should not leave their kids alone with anyone.
As for the abusers, do not tolerate them and report them at once. Educate your kids to never go close to the stranges when alone and to inform their parents if anything of this nature ever takes place. Yell, scream, kick, punch, do whatever it takes to get help and/or to run away.
Question of this thread completly sidetracks the main problem ie child abuse particulalry in places of worship. Question whether one sud be a maulvi cause some maulvis have misused and corrupted trust bestowed upon them is unfair. Why sud rest of the community be blamed for the crimes of a few? Yes, they sud and must cleanse their community of such perverts, yes there sud be an authority where victims can take their case and demand justice. But to ask whether ppl sud consider being maulvis doesnt make sense at all. We have road accidents all the time, does that mean ppl sud stop walking or driving on the street?
well i heared a couple of tru stories from a village’s masjid too. it is horrible…
Well it is because of quality of people that are being taught islam. Well in a village i saw the childern that were rotten egg in every manner of life.. their parents would say “we will send you to Mudrassah”… Well black sheeps like that become those molvis and how can we expect them to be a role model. (i am not talking about all of them but a part of them just like the one you pointed out) Well we have never given a true scholar to islam. All the famous Ulamaas are those who were previously some docs or engineers or professionals but got hidayat from Allah and now they are the most known ppl in connection with islamic teachings… and this is the fact … isnt it … Dr Zkir Naik , Dr Tariq Jamil and many many others are examples …
Well all the question arise by … what kind of people we are giving to this religion … well most of them are sick from their minds.
good point fartguru, molvis and imams in the mosques (and other religious leaders in other places of wroship) r humans and there can be no qualification or degree to guarantee that the imam wud not be led astray by the evil thoughts that arise in the hearts of all men and women....
any "qualified" man is as much as prey of such evil thoughts as an "unqualified" man....
the solution lies not in seeking qualification for the imam, but in providing justice for the victim....
and sadly, in pakistan, justice is almost zero....
ppl shud have enuff faith in the justice system that victims can raise there voice and let the society know about the culprits....
with no justice available, the victim knows there isnt much he/she can gain by raising his/her voice and hence does not wish to harm his/her reputation for going to the judicial system and asking for more misery....
if there is anything we have to blame here, its the judicial system of pakistan, which is perhaps one of the worst in the world....
deedawar i posted this thread becoz it is a tru story the gurl is from England, rochdale she is a bengali gurl who has had a very hard time, if u dont c a point in this thread then that is just up2 u. Im not sayin all molvis are bad ppl, but when sum1 goes through sumthin like this den it does scare u an questions do arise in ur mind, thank u pyariCguyria and others 4 understanding my point, if u wana carry on a further argument deedawar den go ahead.
I never had any intention to argue nor now. I wanted to point out the obvious.
I am not insecure either in my religeon or religeos believes as pointed out earlier. Its not insecurity but cautious behaviour. (Are we insecure in ourselves when we lock the car after parking? )
If you just read your first post you will see why it did not come across what your true intentions were until I pointed out then you explained.
You did not even have a qualifier in your 'opinion' in the end of your first post which could be added such as.....
"I know that this does not happen commonly but even one event is too many for these crimes to occur..........what do you ppl think how we can work together to eliminate these terrible acts not to occur?"........or similar....
Problem is we should act responsibly when talking about religeon ( mullah, maulvi, Pardah, Quran, etc.) in a public forum which is bombarded with anti-muslims. Our actions should not give them more arsenals to think bad about a great religeon we follow.
You know people just want to generalize anything which goes wrong in a religeon or performed by the religeous person. And please do not be so naive in your idea that people are there for just information...there are many who may have alterior motive to talk bad about Islam based on misinformation.
Now some will say, Oh they will still talk bad about Islam anyway can we stop all of them?
Answer is largely....yes if we all continue to act responsibly.
Please just be responsible when anyone brings these kind of events to public forums.
In the end I apologize for anything I said and you did not like. I have full sympathy with the girl in question and like I said earlier something should be done against that evil guy. Even if its too late.
Mizzsilk, do you know if the girl reported the Maulvi to the authorities, presuming she's an adult now? If not, then i seriously suggest she does, not least to seek justice for herself, but also to protect other children who he has access to through his position as an Imam. If she doesnt, then someone else should atleast notify the authorities. This isn't an isolated case in the UK, there are quite a few smiliar cases ive heard of, where the Imam is being taken to task for his perverted behaviour.
Its not only that, the parents are at fault here too, where they send thier children to institutions where corporal punishment is meted out regularly, and many parents turn a blind eye when they find out whats happening. Physical battering is illegal here for God sake, not least because its a form of abuse, but it also gives the teacher a free hand to do whatever they wish. It creates the conditions for further abuse which can wreck the child's life for good.
Technically, the rules should be for voluntary teaching institutions, that no children should be left alone with the teacher at any time. If the situation arises that it cant be helped, the class room door must be left wide open. At all times, there should be two adults in the class, for if god forbid the child accuses the teacher of slapping or abusing him/her, or if the child has an accident for example, the other is there as a witness to what happened. IMO Imams should be there for general lecturing, an not for the one to one teaching of smaller kids. That job should be given to qualified teachers/assistants only. These stories are getting all too common these days and its high time some madressahs/mosques adapted to the present day norms in schooling, to which children actually can relate to.