are baluchis getting fair share of their natural resources?
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2003/02/19/MN196186.DTL
This issues been discussed in a previous thread rvizk although the article was a good read.
Just to add to the article, here are two links including interviews with Bugti and the former head of the Mazari clan.
Good articles.
get out of regional-political mindset
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get out of regional-political mindset
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If only...
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get out of regional-political mindset
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Good advice for the govnt. Hope they follow it.
Its good advice for everybody including posters like you.
regional political?..all politics is local and regional, in case you didn't know. We're talking about an issue of people being disposessed of their land. How is that a narrow viewpoint? I would imagine it's a universal issue. And as long as people feel they are second class citizens regional and ethnic politics will continue and spread.
Very simple. It is for the common good. In many cases people feel they are second or third class citizens due to their own stupidity and problems.
Balochistan needs to be developed. It deserves it. However to say that it doesnt get it because of racism in the politic structure of the country is pure stupidity.
Cm racial stereotypes are quite entrenched in Pakistan. If youa re not aware of that I am surprised. people are often discriminated against because of their ethhnicity when it comes to getting a fair deal and when it comes to representation in the Federal government structure. That is a well known fact and I can recommend u quite a few books to refer too.
Most of these regional issues are created by the govnt by pitting one group againt another. This is done to deflect attention from the follies of the govnt.
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Cm racial stereotypes are quite entrenched in Pakistan. If youa re not aware of that I am surprised. people are often discriminated against because of their ethhnicity when it comes to getting a fair deal and when it comes to representation in the Federal government structure. That is a well known fact and I can recommend u quite a few books to refer too.
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Those books would be baised in the favor of one sect or minoirty or province would it not? I have yet to read an objective book on the issue. I feel the racial stereotypes and the hatred between provinces is blown out of proportion and it isnt that bad. If it was as bad as people say that all the different people in karachi cant live together. How the heck have we stayed a single state for 55 years?
You and I both know that Pakistanis have a nasty habit of blaming things on others and not on themselves. We lose in cricket, its not because we played bad, but we were bought. A person didnt get a job because he was under qualifed and stupid. Rather it was because he was Sindhi or Pathan and the boss was Punjabi or Mohajir. We all have seen this.
CM: Those books I am referring to have not been written with a pro ethnic or regional mindset, they discuss the country as a whole. And point out these huge imbalances( the best books would be Ayesha Jalal's, Akbar Zaidi and Feroz Khans. I accept there isn't as much hatred(thankfully) as people make it out, but at the institutional level there is a lot fo discrimination. Eventually people get fed up and put their vote and support with someone who they think can actually do something for their area.
On a personal level, I have also seen and experienced plenty of discrimination because of which area I am from. To ask someone who hasn't experienced to understand how it feels and how it makes you feel is quite hard.
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the hatred between provinces is blown out of proportion and it isnt that bad. If it was as bad as people say that all the different people in karachi cant live together
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People of different ethnicities live togerther in Karachi alright but do they live together peacefully? Infact, Karachi provides a clear demonstration of how deep-rooted the ethnicity/provincialism is in our country. And we really cant over-stress this issue enough if indeed we want to address it in a purposeful manner.
Baluchistan's problem is vastly different. The province lacks in progress because its population to land ratio is small which makes it difficult for the resources to be distributed in an effective manner. And the tribal chiefs exploit this situation to their own advantage.
I lost my earlier post due to a clicking frenzy. If you could PM me the names of those books. I would like to read up on the issue, and also ascertain what is fact and fiction. I think there are two forms. The built up racial discrimination because someone lied and the actual truth. It does happen, i agree, it happens everywhere. However i would like to believe that the higher echelons of power within Pakistan would not stoop so low on such petty issues. It might be the more junior positions that you have such discrimination. But it is blown out of proportion.
Zakk everybody suffers racial discrimination at some point. I have in my 4 years in Switzerland. On my travels around the western world. It comes with the passport. I felt upset for an hour max and then forgot about it. There are still 3 shops i never go to anymore in Switzerland because they make the foreigners wait all the time. The darker you are the worse it is.
As always education is the key. The more educated people are the easier it is for them to give up some ignorant and racist stereotypes.
Scratch, the problems on a whole started in Karachi i believe in the late 80's and early 90's correct? Before that you can easily say there was peace and harmony in Karachi. An economic problem has been changed into one of regional hatred. Karachi is our economic center. It has the most jobs. People compete for them. If they dont get them it is easier to blame the other man for racial prejudices than accept you couldnt get the job.
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In agreement 100%