Trans-Atlantic Rift May Widen After Bush Re-Election

Its not just the trade dispute between the US and Europe, the victory of President Bush some analysts state, could very well cause a deep rift in their relationship and could bring Europeon Union states much closer in their policies in order to counteract the dominance of the Bush Administration.

Trans-Atlantic rift may widen](http://www.news24.com/News24/World/US_Elections/0,,2-10-1665_1615357,00.html) News 24, 03 Nov 04

Vienna - With George W Bush apparently heading toward victory in the US presidential election, the trans-Atlantic rift is only likely to widen - adding new urgency to a growing sense in Europe of the need for a balance to US might. Deserved or not, Bush has a firm reputation in Europe as a headstrong and heavy-handed leader with little interest in what America’s allies feel. Many European leaders are likely to push him to find a way to end the violence in Iraq, adopt a more active and balanced approach to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, and in general accord them more respect and consultation.

In the broader sense, however, a Bush victory would likely rekindle a push for a new and stronger European identity at a time when many countries feel like they have lost sovereignty and a voice in the enlarged European Union. **“The temptation for Europe to define itself as ‘Not America’ will be increased,” **Timothy Garton Ash, a professor of European studies at Oxford University, wrote in a recent commentary. European leaders tried to put a positive spin on the election results, saying they hoped for closer co-operation with the United States no matter who emerged as the victor.

But prominent politicians no longer bound by the rules of protocol did nothing to hide their dismay as it became apparent that Bush would most probably recapture the White House. Former French Foreign Minister Hubert Vedrine - who once famously criticised America as a “hyper-power” - was scathing in his pessimism: “If it’s as it appears, there is a major and lasting lack of understanding between the American people and the rest of the world.”

‘Bush can repair international relations’

Europeans, who traditionally have embraced Democrats over Republicans and still see former president Bill Clinton as far more of a statesman than Bush, will be watching for any sign that the administration intends to reach out to a continent polarised over Iraq. Having apparently secured a second term, Bush can now “feel more free … to repair international relations hurt by the Iraq war and less constrained by his conservative base,” The Irish Times said in a commentary. **But while the former communist countries of Eastern Europe have largely backed Washington’s Iraq policy and have sent troops, governments in Western Europe that insisted on UN involvement still feel marginalised. **

US relations with Europe have suffered since defence secretary Donald H Rumsfeld disparagingly referred to France and Germany as “old Europe” for their resistance to the war in Iraq. Bush’s re-election would mean Washington will press forward with plans to reapportion US forces in Europe, shifting thousands from post-World War II bases in Germany to new stations in Bulgaria and Romania within better striking distance of Afghanistan and the Middle East.

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I agree.

^ I don't. Relations with the rest of the world are important for the future of everyone, our economic prosperity, security, and the vaunted 'war on terror'. I'm not saying let France dictate American policy, but the US has less respect and admiration from Europe and the rest of the world than ever because of our perceived arrogance. I don't think it is something to be flippant about. It is a real concern that this president needs to address.

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^ I don't. Relations with the rest of the world are important for the future of everyone, our economic prosperity, security, and the vaunted 'war on terror'. I'm not saying let France dictate American policy, but the US has less respect and admiration from Europe and the rest of the world than ever because of our perceived arrogance. I don't think it is something to be flippant about. It is a real concern that this president needs to address.
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You see your fellow Americans above....now you know what i mean.

In another thread I was talking about the importance of Asia in the next 20 years. It will be far more important to forge relationships with India and China than wringing our hands over France. Asia is a huge engine of growth in the world economy. South Korea, Japan and Singapore are arguably more important than the EU.

Worry about the Pacific, Latin America, especially Brazil and Mexico, and India. More than enough do to there for four years.

^ And unfortunately there is more than enough hatred and resentment toward US in those countries as well, but let's not open separate threads for every country that now hates us. Bush is going to have to change his tune with all of our allies, not just the Europeans.

OG is Exactly right. Much of Europe placed a bet on the wrong horse. Now, they want to get paid like they have a winning ticket. Frankly, knowing that they MUST deal with Bush and a more Republican House and Senate for four years, I think you'll see a lot more movement by France, Germany and some others toward our point of view. Once we deal with Fallujah, they'll see that January elections will occur in Iraq, with or without their involvement. They'll realize that it is in their best interest to become involved.

To be sure, Bush must not brush off their overtures and must give them some face-saving concessions and I believe he will. Meanwhile, our move toward stronger alliances as suggested by OhioGuy will improve the chances of the transatlantic rift being healed. After all, our alliances will be their alliances if they play their cards right.

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In another thread I was talking about the importance of Asia in the next 20 years. It will be far more important to forge relationships with India and China than wringing our hands over France. Asia is a huge engine of growth in the world economy. South Korea, Japan and Singapore are arguably more important than the EU.

Worry about the Pacific, Latin America, especially Brazil and Mexico, and India. More than enough do to there for four years.
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You mean you have found new allies? NIce to hear that I'm pretty sure Chinese will kick their butts, but whos actually!?!

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OG is Exactly right. Much of Europe placed a bet on the wrong horse. Now, they want to get paid like they have a winning ticket. Frankly, knowing that they MUST deal with Bush and a more Republican House and Senate for four years, I think you'll see a lot more movement by France, Germany and some others toward our point of view. Once we deal with Fallujah, they'll see that January elections will occur in Iraq, with or without their involvement. They'll realize that it is in their best interest to become involved.

To be sure, Bush must not brush off their overtures and must give them some face-saving concessions and I believe he will. Meanwhile, our move toward stronger alliances as suggested by OhioGuy will improve the chances of the transatlantic rift being healed. After all, our alliances will be their alliances if they play their cards right.
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OG is VERY wrong. :-P, Much of Europe was against president Bush's extremist policies which have wreaked havoc in the Middle East and much of Europe will continue to do so. Bush is seen as a Dumb President who has lied and misled Millions of Americans and unfortunately will continue to do so for the next four years. The re-election of Bush will see a greater divide between America and Europe, the vast majority of Europeons will NEVER agree to the war mongering policies of the Bush Administration.

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It will be far more important to forge relationships with India and **China
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No kidding, who do you think is funding Bush's trillion dollar debt?

To blow off the EU as they become more stable and united is incredible shortsighted and will have consequences.

myvoice you thought Bush would also be bringing back 20,000 troops form Iraq this November. I wouldn't hold you breath on the predictions you bring to the table. Thus far Bush's admin. has been playing one game while Iraq and the rest of the world play another. Dumping Rumsfeld would be a good start and could win the U.S. some hands.

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No kidding, who do you think is funding Bush's trillion dollar debt?

To blow off the EU as they become more stable and united is incredible shortsighted and will have consequences.

myvoice you thought Bush would also be bringing back 20,000 troops form Iraq this November. I wouldn't hold you breath on the predictions you bring to the table. Thus far Bush's admin. has been playing one game while Iraq and the rest of the world play another. Dumping Rumsfeld would be a good start and could win the U.S. some hands.
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the most important ally of the US is Rumselfd do you think they want him to leave or quit is selfish work?! Don't bet on that.

In all fairness, even if Bush wanted to take on Europe, he couldn't. Financially, militarily, economically, tradewise etc etc. It just couldn't happen. Europe as a unit is way too strong. Individually country by country, yes, but not as a unit!

Even Bush realises this. Or does he?