Torture/waterboarding in the Grave Question.

IceSoul · September 5, 2011, 12:03pm

Re: Torture/waterboarding in the Grave Question.

^ There seems to be evidence of some breeding, but not en masse. Of course, it would be impossible for Homo Sapiens and Neanderthals to exist side by side and not breed *at all, *but it seems it was not very widespread.

They are humans. All members of the *Homo *genus are humans, its just that Homo Sapiens are the only one left.

This may be the case. Also, it does not contradict Islam.

This explains how it can be done:

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But they were able to identify some DNA from the original animal, and Paabo and his colleagues were able to determine how it broke down over time. They also developed procedures to prevent contamination by the DNA of humans working with the material.

“We are confident that it will be technically feasible to achieve a reliable Neanderthal genome sequence,” Paabo and his researchers reported.

They said problem of damaged areas in some DNA could be overcome by using a sufficient amount of Neanderthal DNA from different individuals, so the whole genome can be determined.

“The contamination and degradation of DNA has been a serious issue for the last 10 years,” observed Erik Trinkaus, a professor at Washington University in St. Louis. “This is a serious attempt to deal with that issue and that’s welcome.”

“I’m not sure they have completely solved the problem, but they’ve made a big step in that direction,” said Trinkaus, who was not involved in the research.

Anthropologist Richard Potts of the Smithsonian’s National Museum of Natural History, called the work “a very significant technical study of DNA decay.”

The researchers “have tried to answer important questions about the potential to sequence ancient DNA,” said Potts, who was not part of the research.**

This was in 2007 and they were still working on it. Come 2011 and they succeeded.

BTW, brother Psyah, what evidence about when Hazrat Adam lived? I mean, he could have lived a 100,000 years ago for all we know. That will do away with a lot of discrepancies, among them the role of other human “species” like Neanderthal and Cro Magnon.

psyah · September 5, 2011, 12:47pm

Re: Torture/waterboarding in the Grave Question.

Our scriptures speak of two things:

a) That there were several tribes of humans and all but two/three (I forgot which) have died out. Yajuj and Majuj are considered a tribe of humans.

b) That similar creatures to us lived on this planet before us, but they were not human i.e. not sapient, rational, sensible people … just animals…

Now if we choose to believe that Neanderthals are from a) then we can agree that they are human and if we choose to believe that Neanderthals are from b) then we must reject their being human … In either case it does not support evolution.

IceSoul · September 5, 2011, 1:54pm

Re: Torture/waterboarding in the Grave Question.

This applies here since the Neanderthals were quite intelligent.

Here, the topic being discussed was not evolution. Anyways, the proof is there, with the Guidance of Allah SWT, it shall soon be proven in light of Islam

Dr.LuLworth · September 9, 2011, 3:11am

Re: Torture/waterboarding in the Grave Question.

one super genius claims neanderthal don’t exist.

the other says that they weren’t human. well, that’s my bad. they are human, but not homo SAPIEN. but they ARE human. Neanderthal genes areestimated to make up 1% to 4% of modern Eurasian peoples.

the third says the magical invisible being that created everything, is somehow related to my question.

thanks for providing the lulz guys. You could say this thread has been worth the lulz.

p.s. evolution IS real. It IS a fact. EVERYONE with any scientific credibility agrees with evolution. The REASON it is called a theory is because the community doesn’t see eye to eye as to HOW it happened. There are many theories as to how we evolved. Hence the phrase “the theory of Evolution.”

p.p.s it was urgent because someone had asked me as to what the sunni shariat excuse is for this dilemma.