Re: Top 10 excuses by women who don’t wear the Hijab
Sa1eem, you seem like a Quran only follower. Do you believe in Ahadith? If not it would explain a lot of your answers.
Re: Top 10 excuses by women who don’t wear the Hijab
Once again, Allah (subhana wa'tala) first looks at our hearts, there are many girls who wear hijab, but wear very tight clothes, or dont pray or do bad things, or look like theyre very holy but inside them hides something else.. ... I dont wear hijab, but have respect for the girls who do, i guess girls who wear hijab they also must accept seeing a girl who doesnt wear hijab... cause u cant force someone to wear, the person has to be prepared to wear one,
Hijab is not just puting a cloth on your head. Putting a cloth on head and wearing clothes that show the adorments, can't be considered a hijab. The girl who wear hijab but she has diseas in her heart and the girl who has clean heart but doesn't wear hijab, they both are wrong. Allah Subhaanhu Wa Ta'ala wants us to be pure from both, outside and inside. Either one of them is not getting us anywhere.
And the brothers are worng who think that growing beard is sunnah, it's also wajib like hijab. Because of the hadith which says that grow the beard and cut the mustache. Alhamdulillah, Allah Ta'ala has gudied me and i'm keeping the beard now!
Re: Top 10 excuses by women who don’t wear the Hijab
^ Okay, see, I ain't listening to none of you boys. You can't agree on your own beards. How the heck do you expect me to listen to you people when you don't even follow your own advice (men collectively)?
I need to start a "Bearded Muslim Men Initiative"
The BMMI.
Re: Top 10 excuses by women who don’t wear the Hijab
sister you can't just stop doing something in Islam which are obligatory just because someone else who tell you to do doesn't follow Islam. None of us going to answer for what you did on the day of judgement. Everyone is responsible for their own actions.
for example, i can't just stop praying sala'hs just because i see someone who talks big about islam but neglect prayers. Because whatever he/she does is his/her business and he/she has to answer for it and i've to answer for what i do. all i can do is tell that person to do the right thing. Even, many times in Quran Allah adressed the Prophet(SAW) and say that o Muhammad(SAW) you can't change their hearts, it's only Allah who can do it.
Re: Top 10 excuses by women who don’t wear the Hijab
Exactly, so you answered it. Leave each to his/her own. Just because you think its fardh doesn't mean it necessarily is or isn't. You could possibly just be wrong, and others might think so. So others will make their decisions accordingly, and everyone pays the consequences in the end, whatever they may be.
So what's with the shoving and judging and being condescending to people who don't do what YOU think is right? Who are you, of all people, to judge? I thought that's what Islam teaches us. That we aren't in the position to judge, because we're not gods.
Re: Top 10 excuses by women who don’t wear the Hijab
USResident:
USResident: Are you gone nut, out of your mind or something? How can you accuse someone (me) based on your own assumptions and your created lies? Who told you that I do not believe on Hadith? Do you know that there is hadith that worst person Prophet (SAW) considered is one that spread lie and wrongly accuse someone using lies. I do not know how you will defend yourself on judgement day, when I will say to Allah that you accused me of something I was not in spite of you having information about me regarding that (my posts on this forum are witness about that).
I wrote this to you because to make such comment about me, you must have read my posts. In various post I quoted Hadith as proof of what I am saying. Now, how can you write that I do not believe on Hadith?
I do not know what is happening on forum that some people are free to abuse others but Moderators (on funny charges) victimise those that reply these abusers back. I would have replied earlier to all accusation but it seems that there are bias Moderator too (at least what I feel) that do not like me to reply, so I have given up replying (or writing much post on this biased environment).
When people like you are free to abuse and accuse directly, I got warning not for abusing anyone but just writing that Iblis-worshiper are misguiding people or that XYZ is getting misguided by Iblis-worshiper (Iblis-worshiper are ulema-e-sue who according to all Muslims are ulema-e-shaitan or in other words those who misguide Muslims for Shaitan).
Similar to you (USResident), Iconoclast abused me previously (I did not replied him because Moderator closed the topic, later because of attitude of Moderators, I gave up replying. It seems that, this is the reason most here on this forum are abusers, Moderators, and those (unfortunates) who can listen quietly to abuses. Here is abuse of Iconoclast to me:
Iconoclast: #146](http://www.paklinks.com/gs/showpost.php?p=4473380&postcount=146)
In above post, Iconoclast called me ‘shia in disguise’. If that is not abuse and accusation then what it is? If I say anything to him, Moderator would tell me that I am abusing him. Thus, I swear to Allah that: ‘If I am Shia, Allah burn me in hell and if I am not ‘Shia’ then Allah burn Iconoclast in hell forever, InshaAllah’
Iconoclast also abused that I put wrong information in my post (something I have never done and would never do intentionally at any cost as I am not liar) but obviously, for some moderator, such abuses does not matter (they can only see abuse if a person writes that ‘it seems other is getting misguided by Iblis-worshiper’).
In his post, Iconoclast wrote that Abd Malik was the person that ransacked Makkah and not Yazid (as if I wrote differently and thus I am writing without knowing any history). But I wrote same in two earlier posts on same topic. Posts are: #132](http://www.paklinks.com/gs/showpost.php?p=4472944&postcount=132) #140](http://www.paklinks.com/gs/showpost.php?p=4473197&postcount=140) and he cannot quote any of my post where I wrote that Yazid captured (ransacked) Mecca.
(Post from Topic: ~! Yazid? Was he really what they make him out to be?](http://www.paklinks.com/gs/showthread.php?t=233257) ).
Iconoclast also accused me that I put false story that Syrian army of Yazid that ransacked Medina and later surrounded Mecca (put siege over Mecca but did not captured Mecca), destroying Kaaba and Hajr-e-Aswad, were mostly Christian.
As for above, I also wrote in my post that it was Abd Malik (5th Umayyad King that ransacked Mecca) and that Yazid army only surrounded Mecca, destroyed Kaaba and Hajr-Aswad got broken, but while Syrian army had siege over Mecca Yazid died and army left. Thus, Iconoclast mentioning as if I wrote differently was abusing me of lies.
As for Yazid Christian army, I only wrote that Yazid Syrian army had many Christians (actually, it was mostly Christians): If Iconoclast did not agreed with me, instead of abusing me of writing false, he should have abused the historians (probably Iconoclast was there at the time of Yazid and know about Syrian army of Yazid more then historians). Though there is little history on web sites, still, here is one that would confirm that. Muawiah encouraged Syrian Christians in army by paying them twice and that is the reason this army is known as Syrain army by those who do not like to mention the fact that they were mostly Christian.
From above site (it is American site related to History): ‘Muawiyah cultivated the goodwill of Christian Syrians by recruiting them for the army at double pay, by appointing Christians to many high offices, and by appointing his son by his Christian wife as his successor’:
ShearAfghan: I did not reply his mail earlier because I did not wanted to write because of Moderator (as I do not know excuses that Moderator can use to abuse and I feel that I might get warning after this post too (warning without real reason is abuse too). Though I believe that I should have cleared ‘ShearAfghan’ mail as he felt (wrongly) that I said something wrong about him.
I wrote: #121](http://www.paklinks.com/gs/showpost.php?p=4467539&postcount=121)
He replied: #123](http://www.paklinks.com/gs/showpost.php?p=4468387&postcount=123)
Now, I wonder where I wrote that he follows Iblis-worshiper (ulema-e-sue) as only what I wrote is that, It seems that he is getting misguided by ulema-e-sue (that was warning him of existence of ulema-e-sue who call themselves Muslims but are actually only misguiding Muslims) and there is possibility (it seems) that he is getting misguided by them.
Regardless, from ShearAfghan post, he assumed that I am saying that he is follower of ulema-e-sue (what obviously I did not).
If I say to someone that ‘it seems you are getting misguided by propaganda OR that ‘it seems you are’ getting misguided by western newspapers or western TV news channel, does it mean that they are followers of propaganda, western newspaper or western TV news channel?
SlaveofAllah accused that I am saying ‘I am intelligent and he is not’, even though I did not say such thing. I only asked him to read my post before making assumptions (as all what he was saying, was answered in my previous post, if one reads it properly, and think).
Both ShearAfghan and SlaveofAllah was saying that:
Regarding food, Islam clearly mentions only haram foods and what is not mentioned are halal.
Regarding Ibadah, Islam mentions all ways of Ibadah and what is not there is not Ibadah.
I agree that in most cases regarding food, anything that is not mentioned haram are halal (that is why I told them to read my earlier post where I agreed on that). Problem was that, I was insisting that Allah has also mentioned what is halal (that they were not agreeing). They gave references of some fruits, claiming that they are not mentioned haram and that is why they are halal.
My post: #121](http://www.paklinks.com/gs/showpost.php?p=4467539&postcount=121)
[Though by default, it is not regarding only food but regarding everything, is that, whatever is not clearly mentioned in Islam as forbidden (that includes Quran and Hadith) are allowed]
Regardless, I gave reference (quoted) from Quran where Quran does not only mention Haram but also mentions Halal (for example: 5:1 and 5:3). I believe that ShearAfghan and SlaveofAllah should have accepted the words of Quran that haram and halal are both mentioned (but there are exceptions). ShearAfghan and Slave of Allah kept insisting.
[We learned category of some food as halal or haram from hadith, from ijmah (where foods that ijmah considered allowed and was not mentioned haram in Quran or hadith are taken as halal), qias (according to some, Prawn is food coming from water and thus halal, but some considering Prawn as Makruh) and ijtihad (some consider dead fish floating upside down in water as haram but some consider them Halal)]
**As for Ibadah: **ShearAfghan and SlaveofAllah believes that all acts of Ibadah are mentioned and anything that Quran or Hadith does not mention cannot be Ibadah.
I believe that introduction of action that is performed considering it to be Fard Ibadah is innovation in Islam and thus haram but if it is performed as Ibadah but not considering it fard, then it is not innovation in Islam, and this fine. The reason being that such Ibadah is good deeds that one does for Allah alone and thus are only ibadah because of being good deed (as all good deeds done for the sake of Allah is Ibadah). Thus, action of Ibadah not mentioned in Quran or Hadith as Ibadah can be Ibadah, as long as a person does not consider that fard.
I mentioned something that was never mentioned in Quran or Hadith and I said they are ‘Ibadah’ but ShearAfghan called them ‘Dawah’ (that is why I told them to read my post again).
I mentioned some actions that were not possible at the time of Prophet (SAW) and there is no record of such actions going back to earlier time, still it cannot be considered as anything but Ibadah, certainly not Dawah: #121](http://www.paklinks.com/gs/showpost.php?p=4467539&postcount=121)
[Islamic definition of Dawah is name of action that one takes to call and encouraging other Muslims towards Islam. Tableegh is name of action that one takes to call and encouraging Non-Muslims towards Islam. Dawah and Tableegh, if done for the sake of Allah and good intention, is Ibadah, but not all Ibadah is Dawan or Tableegh]
**For instance: How to give free medicine, free medical treatment including free surgery by a God-fearing doctor/surgeon to poor for the sake of Allah alone is dawah and not Ibadah (what would one call that action if not Ibadah)? **
How can opening an orphanage or school for sake of Allah, is dawah and not Ibadah? (Note, there was no such thing as orphanage during Prophet (SAW) time or school as we have today as people use to adopt children or look after them as guardian)
Propagating Islam using book, pamphlet or Internet is dawah (and certainly, such dawah is a new addition to dawah) but dawah is also Ibadah as it is done for the sake of Allah (seems that ShearAfghan and SlaveofAllah do not agree).
Well, one can add hundreds of actions/activities that cannot be dawah but good deeds for the sake of Allah (hence Ibadah) and there was no parallel of that at the time of Prophet (SAW).*
Re: Top 10 excuses by women who don’t wear the Hijab
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***USResident:*
USResident: Are you gone nut, out of your mind or something? How can you accuse someone (me) based on your own assumptions and your created lies? Who told you that I do not believe on Hadith? Do you know that there is hadith that worst person Prophet (SAW) considered is one that spread lie and wrongly accuse someone using lies. I do not know how you will defend yourself on judgement day, when I will say to Allah that you accused me of something I was not in spite of you having information about me regarding that (my posts on this forum are witness about that).
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Saleem, one of the reasons you feel your not abusing others is you are not realising the truth and falsehood. Just analysing stuff from your posts, you tend to post stuff which is logical according to you and accept it as an inevitable, and expect us to believe it.
*USR hasnt accused you brother, but he is assuming and questioning you but rather you take a different route, problem with sub continental individuals is we tend to argue a lot, now this is cultural. *
You could have just answered that I follow both Quran and Sunnah, period instead you are proving and indirectly pointing fingers on USR, i have read most of the posts of USR he is an amicable individual.
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***Iconoclast:*
In above post, Iconoclast called me ‘shia in disguise’. If that is not abuse and accusation then what it is? If I say anything to him, Moderator would tell me that I am abusing him. Thus, I swear to Allah that: ‘If I am Shia, Allah burn me in hell and if I am not ‘Shia’ then Allah burn Iconoclast in hell forever, InshaAllah’
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The bold words before this very quote mark your significance in the aforementioned small story of yours. Here i am considering the story of Muawiya and Yazid peace be upon them
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He replied:
Now, I wonder where I wrote that he follows Iblis-worshiper (ulema-e-sue) as only what I wrote is that, It seems that he is getting misguided by ulema-e-sue (that was warning him of existence of ulema-e-sue who call themselves Muslims but are actually only misguiding Muslims) and there is possibility (it seems) that he is getting misguided by them.
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That was uncalled for, though you might deserve a warning, by calling the ulemas Iblis worshippers, this is again going against the Prophetic hadith dont call a muslim a kafir or a disbeliever, hence it might come back to you.
Its better you refrain from declaring those statements. I follow the Quran and Sunnah, i do agree the Ulemas have trangressed the limits set by Allaah, you should understand they are Ulemas with sound Aqeeda and Manhaj, sher is probably quoting there reference.
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***SlaveofAllah* accused that I am saying ‘I am intelligent and he is not’, even though I did not say such thing. I only asked him to read my post before making assumptions (as all what he was saying, was answered in my previous post, if one reads it properly, and think).
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Last you turn towards me, well would be advisable on your part, to re-read words you have used as a rebuttal to me if they dont sound harsh to you and accordign to your perspective. I would stop arguing here. Again the case of believe in what you write, and force it down our throat.
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*****Both ShearAfghan and SlaveofAllah was saying that:*
Regarding food, Islam clearly mentions only haram foods and what is not mentioned are halal.
Regarding Ibadah, Islam mentions all ways of Ibadah and what is not there is not Ibadah.
I agree that in most cases regarding food, anything that is not mentioned haram are halal (that is why I told them to read my earlier post where I agreed on that). Problem was that, I was insisting that Allah has also mentioned what is halal (that they were not agreeing). They gave references of some fruits, claiming that they are not mentioned haram and that is why they are halal.
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*We dont insist brother, we are infact wanting references from you regarding the above paragraph, who are we to go against the words.*
***The best of speech is from Allaah, the best of Guidance is from Prophet salaAllaahu alayhi wa sallam.*
Well its better you dont get emotional, and dont think we are targetting you personally unless you have been personal to any one of us. We are here for the love of Allaah, not personal gains and losses
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Regardless, I gave reference (quoted) from Quran where Quran does not only mention Haram but also mentions Halal (for example: 5:1 and 5:3). I believe that ShearAfghan and SlaveofAllah should have accepted the words of Quran that haram and halal are both mentioned (but there are exceptions). ShearAfghan and Slave of Allah kept insisting.
[We learned category of some food as halal or haram from hadith, from** ijmah** (where foods that ijmah considered allowed and was not mentioned haram in Quran or hadith are taken as halal), qias (according to some, Prawn is food coming from water and thus halal, but some considering Prawn as Makruh) and ijtihad (some consider dead fish floating upside down in water as haram but some consider them Halal)]
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Well this is the reference i was looking for, makes a discussion more healthy and knowledgeable. The important words are ijma and Qiyas finally you have mentioned what important, unfortunately contradicted you own statements in the above paragraph. But bottomline is you understood, that words of Ulemas at times are considered.
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****As for Ibadah: **ShearAfghan and SlaveofAllah believes that all acts of Ibadah are mentioned and anything that Quran or Hadith does not mention cannot be Ibadah.
I believe that introduction of action that is performed considering it to be Fard Ibadah is innovation in Islam and thus haram but if it is performed as Ibadah but not considering it fard, then it is not innovation in Islam, and this fine. The reason being that such Ibadah is good deeds that one does for Allah alone and thus are only ibadah because of being good deed (as all good deeds done for the sake of Allah is Ibadah). Thus, action of Ibadah not mentioned in Quran or Hadith as Ibadah can be Ibadah, as long as a person does not consider that fard.
Propagating Islam using book, pamphlet or Internet is dawah (and certainly, such dawah is a new addition to dawah) but dawah is also Ibadah as it is done for the sake of Allah *(seems that ShearAfghan and SlaveofAllah do not agree). *
Well, one can add hundreds of actions/activities that cannot be dawah but good deeds for the sake of Allah (hence Ibadah) and there was no parallel of that at the time of Prophet (SAW).
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The one in blue, I dont wont you conclusion, you are mistaken here and again proves your significance believe in what u think is logical, are these the words of the Prophet, Sahabas, Tabien, Tabe Tabien or the Scholars of Great repute.
Well you can conclude, what you feel like but at the end of the day we cant have personal desires creeping into Islam.Like i told you brother, this is the first time you are conveying the words Ijma, Ijtihad and Qiyas well these are the references we are looking for.
***Through Qiyas which literally means analogy reasoning, parallels during the time of Prophet can be achieved and can be classified as Ibadah or not, and counted as Good deeds or not. Well to pass such a fatwa Quran and Hadith is the bencmark again.*
Yes i do agree parallels did not exist during the time or Propeht. Many have argued on this issue and have been unsuccessful and later have innovated matters into Islam. I can name scores of them, but again if through Qiyas we can draw parallel lines, I agree with you otherwise if it slightly deviates i dont.
Seems like SherAfghan and SlaveofAllaah do not agree, is because your lacking evidence and authentic proof. Well we agree with the Hadith in Sahih Muslim below,
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The best of discourse is the book of Allaah, and the best way is the way of Mohammed(PBUH), and the worst matters in the religion are those newly introduced, for every innovation in the religion is misguidance, and every misguidance is going astray, and every astray is in Hellfire.
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Re: Top 10 excuses by women who don’t wear the Hijab
Sa1eem
You are a very emotional person and if you cannot control ur emotions then its better not to enetr into arguments with others.
Now, lets see who started the allegations:
It was you , started the allegation by (Post 49,http://www.paklinks.com/gs/showthread.php?t=233257&page=2)
Instead of getting infuriarated, i answered u in a good way.
Now let me tell you of why i “asked you, if u are a shia”, bcoz you have been constatntly expressing views and beleifs that are not shared by any sunni group that i know of, may be if you have one, u can tell us about it or who is the person that u follow, so that we can see his credentials and standings among sunnis or if you are yourself a scholar who has done enough research and you have corrected what Ahle-Sunnah generally beleive in.
All the qoutes come from the same closed topic.
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Only you had the audacity of saying this about Habiballah saw, about whom Allah says; 94:4 And raised high the esteem (in which) thou (art held)?**
Its strange that you beleive that Ahle-Sunnat Ulema, somehow forgot that Majalis increase love of Prophet saw. And may i remind you that daughter of Prophet saw , Hazrat Zainab was attacked by Quraish while she was pregnant and was going to Madinah, she had a miscarriage and never recovered from this injury and died. Rasoolullaah saw said about Hazrat Zainab, “Wo meeri sab sey piyaari beti thi jo meeri muhabbat main satai gai”. I wonder people who claim so much love for Rasoolulaah saw, why do not hold Majalis for Hazat Zainab, i wonder if you even know which date she died.
U found the shias love of Prophet saw descendents envious for you, this implies that you do not consider Ahle-Sunnat love descendents of Prophet saw enough, why shudn’t then i be asking you the question, i asked
wow, wow, wow, here you hit the bull’s eye, the way you describe the closest companions of Prophet saw, Hazrat Abu Bakr ra, Hazrat Umer ra and the son in law of Prophet saw, Dhunnurain, Hazrat Uman ghani ra, is certaily NOT BY ANY MEANS A SUNNI WILL DESCRIBE THEM. I mean just look at what u write, “its best not to have bad feelings about the first three khalifas”, as if they are ur buddies.
May i remind you how high the Ahle-Sunnah regard them? Naqshbandi tariqah begins with Hazrat Abu Bakr ra. From Sahih Al-Bukhari: Ibn Abbas reports: "The Prophet (sas) came out during his illness from which he died his head bound with a cloth. He sat on the minbar, thanked Allah, praised Him and said: “There is no one among the people who has been more generous to me with his life and his property than Abu Bakr ibn Abi Quhaafa and if I was to take a bosom friend, I would take Abu Bakr as my bosom friend. But, the friendship of Islam is better. Block off every door in this Masjid except the door of Abu Bakr.”
Do you give people right to bad mouth such a person about whom Rasoolullah saw said the above AND STILL BELEIVE THAT SOMEONE WILL NOT ASK U IF U R A SHIA OR NOT???
I want to qoute more of all what u ahev written in that thread and how that defies the beleifs of Ahle-Sunnat but unfortuantely, i have to do some job, may be i’ll write later.
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**No1- **The context of this post is entirely related as to why i asked you if u r a shia or not, and i expect that you shud answer entirely in this context. Whether as to why u beleive, what u beleive is not the point of this post and we can discuss that in another thread if u wish.
No2- Other posters, whatever ur beleifs are shia/sunni plz do not jump on bandwagon, to describe ur own version of history, coz this is not the point of discussion between me and Sa1eem.
**No3- **As to teh Bud-Dua you gave me, i would just say unto you, “May Allah forgiuve your sins and bless you with Jannah”
Re: Top 10 excuses by women who don’t wear the Hijab
USResident: Are you gone nut, out of your mind or something? How can you accuse someone (me) based on your own assumptions and your created lies? ...
After sifting through your reply the simple answer is you believe in Ahadith. Since you believe in hadith let me paraphrase one for you in which the Prophet SAW said "Paradise is guaranteed for you if you guaratee to guard your sight and tongue", please reflect on this and your posts. In other words your tongue or the terminology you have been employing in discussion with other muslims here is not one that should be used, other might have said a word or two but predominantly all the pun is coming from you.