Tomb of Virgin Mary in Murree

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*Originally posted by Ma Mooli: *
Who in thier right minds would worship graves? and how do you go about worshipping them?
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asking the sheikh in there to help relieve your pains, asking the dead sheikh for things and promising to put the "chador" (blanket) over the grave if that is done. vowing to walk bare foot for such and such distance to "honor" the sheikh, donating your first born to the grave for additional "baraka" from the sheikh. this is worshiping the grave and it is done very often in rural areas of pakistan.

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*Originally posted by armughal: *
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start by inviting Muhammad (saw)...
if he accepts the sufi method, count me in....
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The Sufi method originated from Prophet Muhammed (pbuh)

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*Originally posted by Ma Mooli: *
Who in thier right minds would worship graves? and how do you go about worshipping them?
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Nobody worships graves, we simply use them as medium of communication to Allah and his prophet, just like the Kaaba is used.

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*Originally posted by Sadiqaan: *
Nobody worships graves, we simply use them as medium of communication to Allah and his prophet, just like the Kaaba is used.
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thanks for coming out brother.
mashallah...proved my point brother.

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How do you know whether the occupant of the grave has even been blessed by Allah :swt:, how do you know hed accept it throught them?

On what basis do you choose?

And what would you want to communicate to his prophet?

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*Originally posted by Sadiqaan: *
The Sufi method originated from Prophet Muhammed (pbuh)
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surely it wasnt Muhammad (saw) bin Abdullah bin Abdul Mutalib....

r u talking of some other Prophet Muhammad????

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found this link on CNN

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Folks, lets put the focus back on the topic of this thread, which was "Tomb of Virgin Mary in Murree" or that Jesus went to Kashmir and died there.

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Why dont they let someone come in and test a small amount of remains to see how old it is?!

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Who's 'they', and whose 'stopping'... and are there any remains left?

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*Originally posted by Faisal: *
Who's 'they', and whose 'stopping'... and are there any remains left?
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By "they" I mean anyone who can give them the the scientists, anthroplogists in this case i think, the permision to come in and take samples from the tombs for testing. They are probably govt and local population, who are also stopping them because graves are usually off limits, specially those of saints and such.
And im sure there are still bones left in the coffins. Take a small sample and date them the same way you would a mummy.

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there is very clear proof and evidence about Jesus (AS) being buried in Kashmir, but I am afraid that no matter how convincing an argument is given, people whos eyes and ears have been sealed will refuse to see or hear the truth.

Reminds me of how Quresh use to say to Prophet (SA) that if Allah exists why does he not appear. Allah says about these people that even if He and His angles stood in front of them in a line, they will still not believe. I hope and pray that Muslim Umah is guided by Allah to see the truth. Ameen.

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*Originally posted by trooper: *
there is very clear proof and evidence about Jesus (AS) being buried in Kashmir, but I am afraid that no matter how convincing an argument is given, people whos eyes and ears have been sealed will refuse to see or hear the truth.

Reminds me of how Quresh use to say to Prophet (SA) that if Allah exists why does he not appear. Allah says about these people that even if He and His angles stood in front of them in a line, they will still not believe. I hope and pray that Muslim Umah is guided by Allah to see the truth. Ameen.
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What proof is that?

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*Originally posted by trooper: *
there is very clear proof and evidence about Jesus (AS) being buried in Kashmir,
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Show us.

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There are many books written on this subject such as:

Jesus in India

References to Other Books

READ THEM!

May Allah open your hearts to see the truth.

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^^ yours too. Ameen

P.S::D

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This should be a simple scientific answer. Does not require opening hearts and other body organs... except may be the mind. However, if this belief is exclusive to followers of Mirza Ghulam Ahmed, then you do need to answer why all the scholars (christians and muslims) throughout the last 2,000 years have not agreed to your version of history?

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Well, you give me a hadeeth or ayat where it clearly states that Hadhrat Isa :as: ‘bodily’ (as you believe) ascended to heaven and will descend ‘bodily’ from heaven.

Remember, it’s not us who are speaking out of norm. It’s your belief that is paranormal. So, you do the explaining… religiously and scientifically… As you’ve said, there should be a simple scientific asnwer… right!

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You guys are making a claim that practically no one else in the world believes. Essentially it means that all others are stupid and only you know the truth.

I mean, no problem. You can continue to believe what ever you want. Thats your prerogative and free speech and all that. But if you want others to be convinced, or even give it a serious thought, a scientific explanation needs to come from you, not from anyone else. :)

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*Originally posted by Faisal: *
You guys are making a claim that practically no one else in the world believes.

I mean, no problem. You can continue to believe what ever you want. But if you want others to be convinced, or even give it a serious thought, a scientific explanation needs to come from you, not from anyone else. :)
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Now this is really funny.

If A comes to B and say that C flew to heavens. Tell me who has the explaining to do. A or B?