Re: To those who are ashamed of being Pakistanis or related to Pakistan or Muslims…
My only concern here is why we ignore to see our internal problems. May be external factors contributes 80%, but why denial for 20%.
I’m a layman, my observation is limited to what I see around me. I see around me people using masjid’s loud speaker to spread hatred. I see walls around me full of crap slogans. I see people around me talking of differences and conveniently ignoring similarities between different groups. I have seen guns in the hands of those to whom I went for learning Quran. These are enough proof that there is problem somewhere in people who live among us (not that there are no external factors). So, when I see someone badmouthing our country our religion, I feel that these people around us also have a contribution to that.
Rest assured, that people on these forums have lot of positive things to share about the country and religion and its not that we always talk about dark sides, but when the topic is about dark sides, some people don’t consider it their religious duty to defend what bad is happening around us.
Re: To those who are ashamed of being Pakistanis or related to Pakistan or Muslims…
If I’m a critic myself it’s only because I want a safer place for my own children in the future and one where they aren’t treated differently for who they are.
I don’t know about the Indian Muslim vs Pakistani Muslim thing that PCG mentioned, I am Indian Muslim but my husband is Pakistani and we’ve never had problems.
I don’t think acknowledging the problems in our community is wrong because there are solutions. But I think ignoring them and pretending that every country/religion has them is just a way to say “hey it’s not me who’s doing it, so why care”. Today it might not affect you or your family but tomorrow it might. A lot of peoples response is to get quiet on the issue or say it’s so and so’s fault, but that isn’t a solution to any problem at all.
Silence on a matter is also a form of accepting it, and I’m not with that.
Re: To those who are ashamed of being Pakistanis or related to Pakistan or Muslims…
Lady, don’t you know the only way we can survive is to just not talk about the issues. We have a responsibility to just shoot the people we don’t like or those who say things we don’t like.
If we hide the problems, maybe the world will be fooled into believing they’re not really there so SSSSHHHHHHHHH!
Re: To those who are ashamed of being Pakistanis or related to Pakistan or Muslims…
I never understood the idea of being ashamed of what bad people do across the globe,… unless the person who is ashamed of himself/herself is really thinking that bad people far far away somehow related to him/her.
Deal with your personal insecurity.
Do not include all Pakistanis or Muslims by saying “we” or “our”.
P.S. It is very obvious that my first post was not made in literal sense when talking about shooting yourself etc. It is amazing that I have to explain it for few guppies.
Aaho. Please include tribal men from Guatemala even when you are talking about Christian couple killing in Gujranwala. Kabardar jo maasoom Pakistaniyon ko kuch kaha. Woh tou farishta hain.
Re: To those who are ashamed of being Pakistanis or related to Pakistan or Muslims…
I don’t think I am qualified to label others Muslims or otherwise. The fact remains some people are committing the worst possible atrocities using our religion. It’s our responsibility first of all to recognise, shun and isolate them. When I see around myself there’s a lot of confusion which is an ideal atmosphere for them to thrive. I know that some people do have soft corner for these people. We need to sit back and think if the activities these people are carrying out helping Islam or not.
I believe those people who keep quiet on the atrocities carried out by these people are a partner in crime of those bring disgrace to the religion. Strangely for you those people who are using the name of Islam for nefarious activities are not a disgrace and those speaking against their acts are disgrace. You are entitled to your opinion. I hope I won’t be lynched for mine.
Re: To those who are ashamed of being Pakistanis or related to Pakistan or Muslims…
While there could be some foreign hand behind these groups, but at the end of day all of these groups (boko haram, Taliban, alqaeda and Isis) are based in Muslim countries/areas and claim to be striving for upholding Islam.
Re: To those who are ashamed of being Pakistanis or related to Pakistan or Muslims…
I’m not a nabi with divine guidance to cast someone out from being a Muslim. Sorry.
If I start casting out people on my standards then phir Pakistan won’t be a Muslim majority country any more.
Re: To those who are ashamed of being Pakistanis or related to Pakistan or Muslims…
From beginning the point of thread is very clear.
If you use words like ‘we’ and ‘us’ to include yourself with the criminals, then please go ahead say it, but do not include every Muslim in the world and every Pakistani.
Do you really think Islam can be misused to kill innocents and these people are somehow Muslims? Seriously.
Maybe the Islam you follow can be, not everyone else sir!
Those who kidnap Hindu girls are criminals. Bash them all you want. Ask Govt. to punish them. Why include everyone else in those group of people?
Are you one of those? If not then why say “our own” people?
Re: To those who are ashamed of being Pakistanis or related to Pakistan or Muslims…
because they live among us. we issue them identification cards carrying their religion as Islam. These very pesh imams who render nikah khutba of converted Hindu girls are those behind whom we offer namaz. Look at relevant use of ‘we’ and ‘us’.
Its not about Islam you or I follow. If that is the case, then let me say your version of Islam is more prone to terrorism in the name of denial. At least my version teaches me to recognize my shortcomings, which your version conveniently deny in the name of external factors and conspiracy theories. I do agree at external forces, but your version of Islam fails to do same for internal factors I’m talking of.
Re: To those who are ashamed of being Pakistanis or related to Pakistan or Muslims…
First: What denial are we talking about?
My understanding of Islam is that **it does not promote criminal mindset by any means. ** You seem to think like it does.
Who is more prone to terrorism then? It is you sir who think Islam CAN be misused…basically agreeing with its misuse as well as with the crminals who misuse when you include yourself in those people.
Now: You said: “we issue them identification cards carrying their religion as Islam”.
Bhai, do you even know what “we” and “our” mean?
It mean YOU are included in those people when you say words like “we” and “our”. Hope this simple explanation helped.
Re: To those who are ashamed of being Pakistanis or related to Pakistan or Muslims…
Anything can be misused. A lot of these jihadis have been involved in the most non-religious activities so religion or not, they will still do what they want to do. I mean was it religion that made US drop the atomic bomb on Japan?
Muqawwee Bhai for this statement. 
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