Talking about Islam is bit easy, acting upon it is more difficult. Could I ask to all my friends (with due respect, don’t get offended), HOW MANY OF YOU PRAYS 5 TIMES A DAY, regularly.
Tell this truth to yourself!!!
Nadeem
if you are asking about acting upon islam. ask more than just about namaaz. Its the faith and belief that make a muslim. Namaz is just on of the pillars of the religion, its not religion in itself.
Furthermore, Allah has told us, he will forgive haqooq Allah that were not fulfilled but will not forgive Haqooq al Ibaad that were not fulfilled.
Somone offering 5 prayers a day in itself does not mean that the person is a better muslim than others.
And the answer to your question is...No, i dont pray five times a day. I should, I dont, and thats bad.
as far as i can think i have been doing it and INSHALLAH i will keep up with it.
Alhamdolillah,I say prayers regularly,but would you like to tell what is the use of my prayers to community? prayer is everyones personal & private matter with Allah.What about those who pray with all khushu & khuzu & after that get busy in dishonest business,lying everybody,doing frawds & corruption?Who are more lethal for society,these so called regular prayer sayers or people like you & me,just ordinary worshippers but not frawds,habitual liars & smugglers?
kaho kaisi kahi ???
In the words of Iqbal
ye zikr e neem shabi, ye muraqbay, ye saroor
teri khudi kay nigahbaan nahi tou kuch bhi nahi
khird nay keh bhi diya La Ila tou kiya hasil
dil o nigah Muslimaan nahi tou kuch bhi nahi
My point is that dil o nigah dont become Muslimaan, only by reciting prayer. It requires much more. The very first revelation in Qura~n, while Prophet Mohammad, swaw, used to be on the mountain, was 'Read'!!
Namaaz is still a basic tennant of Islam. Not praying Namaaz is not following one of the tennants and you dont have a choice. I understand that there are other things that you also need to do for being a better person in the eyes of Allah, but I believe this thread is not about that but just about who tries to pray all 5 times.
As for myself, I try to and will always try to offer namaaz for all the 5 times.
good points professoree... i think the essence of reading namaz is not there. reading something in arabic like a parrot DOES NOT mean namaz will have the same effect as lets say the person who prays keeping "fear of Allah" in his/her mind. That fear of Allah is then supposed to translate into your social life and thus stopping a Muslim from bad acts like lieing cheating bribery etc.
praying Namaz 5 times a day should make us feel as if God is with us watching over us all the time... if that does not happen then that means we are doing something wrong in our namaz.
hi PROFESSOREEEE!!
reading ur comments suggest only that u do not fully know or if u know than u havenot understood by heart. do not be pannic , just relax and try to understand it.
now if u know the philosophy of NAmaaz in islam than u will not say what all u said.
i before knowing it had thinking just like u .but the thing NAMMAz is not just only your duty but also if u realize with the eye of heart that it is also a very strog relation of yours with allah . now just realize who you are and what are u capabal off,you will find that a man is just nothing means he say he can do any thing But as said by Hazrat ALI(razi allah hu anhu warrazoo unhoo)" you are capabal of standing on one leg while other not on floor but you cannot stand by taking off both of your legs from floor " .
also as said in holy book “namaaz refrains from evil and bad things”.if a man offering nammaz and doing dishonesty etc. means that he is not offering prayers with KHUSHU Cuz if offered b khushu nammaz will dafinatly stop him from evils . its my personal experience ..
now the order for men is to offer prayers 5 times in mosque with JAMMAt.here lies the point , offereing nammaz at mosque is a very big source of unity among muslims and as in islam ,mosque is also the center of every thing in society ( till from begining to end of life).and also by meeting 5 times in a day with all ur neighbourers ,and men living arround ,let u know the HALLAAt of every body. if someone is facing hard times than you must help him to get out either moral or by money.
nammaz is relation of a men not anly with his creator but also with the PROPHET ( PBUH)
as nammaz is THANDAK of HIS eyes.
so as you said it is every body’s personal and private matter with allah ,is correct.
but the personal matter ends when he goes to mosque and that personal becomes whole.
and you can discuss all your problems not only with IMMAM but also with other ppl in order to fight against evil or for the seek of guidence.
the other part of yours ( ppl doing smmagling,fraud etc ) is given By mundyaa.
Muslim also get strength from nammaz as said in qurran.
so donot think like that Buddy..
its not joke or commedy ,and donot comment (like that )while u donot know the complete thing ..
be afraid from ALLAH.
bye .
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BholaiBadsha!!!
TussaN tay Rab sada khush rakhay. Gee khush ker detta aaye!!
Bha Professor, kuch aqal nu bee haT pawo!!!
Nadeem
Prayers can manifest in many ways; for sunnis - it is salat to be prayed the obligatory 5 times and that constitutes "their shariat" to be followed in its entirety.
A sunni who does not pray the obligatory 5 times is in violation of the covenants established by the sunnis and FOR THE SUNNIS alone. This is how the sunnis have chosen to interpret the 'prayers' in Quran to mean.
For the Sufi Zikris - the prayers mean loud dzikr(incantations/remembrance) of Allah. They are not namazis amd do not perform salat.
DEAR BHOLAY BADSHAH!
A.A! Many thanks for your comments,but I guess you rather misinterpreted my thought or perhaps I couldn't mention it properly. Anyway,I was not taunting at the NAMAAZ(I can never dare that),I am just pointing my finger at the usual practice of many muslims here.Believe me,in our society religion is getting shrunken only in prayers,fasts,zakats & hajj.this is the plight of our society that we don't let the words of namaaz penetrate our hearts,so these words never translate in our daily life activities.This is what ashames me & what should ashame everyone of us.I & you daily repeat"IYYAKA NA'BUDU WA IYYAKA NASTA'EEN" but do we really follow that in our true lives? NO!!!
In our personal lives we run after money,fame & all other rubbish like dogs & in our collective lives(national or millat level),we are running after our western lords!
Look at our govts.How many steps they've taken to please U.S.? COUNTLESS!!!(by all govts.)
How many steps did they take to please our original only lord-ALLAH? NONE!!! We haven't even constitutionalized islam.
Is this what we have learnt from our prayers???
Actually these are classic examples of what ALLAH said in soorah MA'OON,"Woh JO DEEKHAWAY KI NAMAAZ PARRHTAY HAIN,JO RIYAKARI KARTE HAIN AUR AAM BARATNAY KI CHEEZAIN JAAN BOOJH KAR NAHIN DAITAY".
I am very well aware of community benefits of namaaz(bajamaat)but alas,in our society these benefits have now restricted to the textbooks of islamiyat of school level,not in our practical lives.
We all know that Allah is watching us,then how will we face Him in doomsday with the abovementioned deeds in our credit???
This is what really panics me,dear!!
MUNDYAA!
Thanks for your comments & favour.
NADEEM!
now think over what I've said.
kaho kaisi kahi ???
So Prof Gee!
Should we stop praying coz we can't reach upto that standard & can't touch that giudelines what you are marking here???????????
Nadeem
Asalam-u-Alaikum
Yes i say my prayers and try my best not to miss my Farz, baki aapki dua chahoungi kai Allah mujhai apnai faraiz purai karnai ki tofeeq ata farmai
got to jet
khuda hafiz
Masooma
HI PROFESSOREEEE:
i wrote reading what u wrote .well as it is the only way of our meeting .so i donot kow ur self buddY .
well your reply ,as i expected, was like a senstive muslim’s should be.
What u mantion is all right and every senstive man can see and feel it .but the thing is that would it be always like that Or may change??
this is what we ought to ask to our selves .
Remember a society is formed by peoples.so if every single one tries to be true to islam than the society would become a true islamic one.
now the question is that **
" if there is so much darkness and evil all arround you, and you have the LIght so what you will Do? wheather you will surrender or just shut your eyes and say it is too dark and will not able to fight or the Third option is that you say weLL i Have the light and i’ll gonna fight against evil and try as much as i can to remove it .and try to save me , my family and friends too."**
so buddy do ask to your selves.all of us will have to answer before ALLAH for each and every act of ours..
may ALLAH give us strenght and Knowledge to
obey his orders( aameeen)
bye ,see yaah buddy.
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**Prayers can manifest in many ways; for sunnis - it is salat to be prayed the obligatory 5 times and that constitutes "their shariat" to be followed in its entirety.
A sunni who does not pray the obligatory 5 times is in violation of the covenants established by the sunnis and FOR THE SUNNIS alone. This is how the sunnis have chosen to interpret the 'prayers' in Quran to mean.
Hey Faceup,
I thought you were not around as you never replied to the questions I asked in the thread "STATUS OF SUNNAH IN ISLAM". For the benefit of the readers let me repeat the gist of my question:
Basically our friend here does not believe in Sunnah as he considers them fabrications. Now I simply asked him if Sunnah are fabrications then how do we pray what we pray or do ablution the way we do it and so on and so forth. I never got any answers till now.
As per his quotes above even Sunni prayers are not right. Or even praying five times a day is "our belief" and there are no five times prayers. How about the Shias? They also perform some "acts" when they pray. Is that wrong too?
The amazing aspect about Faceup is that he has an opinion (negative) about every religious aspects we poor muslims follow but will never reveal to us what he believes in, since his messages always have a tone of authority and admonition for us.
Please tell us what you believe in and guide us to the righteous path so we can follow it and are saved from the hellfire you have promised we will burn in on the day of judgement(Faceup mentioned in BOOK OF HOLY IGNORANCE that the followers of Sunnah will burn in hell).
Please let us know what YOUR interpretation of prayers is as per the Quran and also what sect ou follow. The suspense is killing me
:)
Nadeem Salam, yes Alhumdulillah I do pray five times a day. Praise is due to Allah. I hope He accepts my humble attempts to the best of my ability. However, I think prayer is one's personal matter with Allah. It's one's personal relationship they have with Allah Al-Mighty. Praying five times a day is great, kiyun kay namaz chorna kufar hai. Magar there is more to Islam then just the five daily prayers. It's the littlest things and the biggest both which come together to make a difference. If we offer prayers that is doing good for our ownself. Allah to bayniyaz hai oos ko koi farq naheen parta agar hum namaz parhain na parhain, lakin hum ko parhna chahiyay kiyun kay it's for our own benefit. Along with namaz there are lots of other issues, niyaat, have good and true intentions towards others and yourselves. Be honest, don't hurt others, don't promote burai (wrong doing), respect adults, be kind to the youngsters, have a pure heart and many many others...All these come together to make an individual a good muslim. There is no such thing as a perfect person, but there is something as a good muslim. Allah kisi par oos ki bardasht say ziyada boojh naheen dalta. I am sure if each and everyone of us tried the best that we could do and honestly we can agree that we are giving it our 100% then there is no way that Allah wouldn't accept it. He is Rahman o Raheem. Ghufoor.
It is indeed a good topic, because if we start following the word and orders of Allah by the small things such as namaz (by small I mean the easiest things) then we can eventually work our way up and slowly gradually follow the other famans as well on our way to becoming better individuals. Specially living in the Usa, and other hemispheres where Western influence is more dominating I think Namaz and duas and our religion in whole protects us from a lot of evil. Praying five times a day would set good example for each and everyone of our generations to come. Because in order to teach a youngester what exactly Islam is and what it stands for we have to make ourselves better muslims. Every child's religious education comes from home. And that brings him/her awareness as well.
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bhai namaz achi cheez hay parrah karain .. boraiyon say bachati hay ..islam ki taleemat ka to kuch ziyada pata nahi .. jo hum nay experience kia hay namaz ko wahi kuch yon hay keh ..
muslamaan hona is like you have internet account with your ISP.
and namaz is like a modem, a tool to connect you to your ISP (information source) so that you can read your emails and other stuff (like aap ki roz mara ki khush kabriayn, kuch kar rahay hon jo theek nahi hay us say bachnay ki hidayat .. aghar aap nay kuch poocha ho us ka jawab .. kuch manga ho "dua" waghira etc etc etc. )
ab aghar aap namaz nahi parrah rahay so you will miss all this and much more. jo namaz parrhtay hain or baqi umal un ka theek nahi hay is like ingnoring all the emails and deleting them without reading .. but still he/she is in a better position than a person without a modem woh kabhi bhi reading day saktay hain. jo nahi parrtay un ko to pata hi nahi chalta keh kia ho raha hay or woh andhon ki tara paharri charrnay ki koshish main lagay rehtay hain ..
well .... kafi hay .. jin ki samajh main nahi aya to un ka qasoor nahi.
p.s yeh jo halka halka saroor hay
Rarediamonds & Gold!
Excellent point of view especially this part is worth reading
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It's the littlest things and the
biggest both which come together to make a difference. If we offer prayers that is doing
good for our ownself. Allah to bayniyaz hai oos ko koi farq naheen parta agar hum namaz
parhain na parhain, lakin hum ko parhna chahiyay kiyun kay it's for our own benefit. Along
with namaz there are lots of other issues, niyaat, have good and true intentions towards
others and yourselves. Be honest, don't hurt others, don't promote burai (wrong doing),
respect adults, be kind to the youngsters, have a pure heart and many many others...All
these come together to make an individual a good muslim. There is no such thing as a
perfect person, but there is something as a good muslim. Allah kisi par oos ki bardasht
say ziyada boojh naheen dalta. I am sure if each and everyone of us tried the best that
we could do and honestly we can agree that we are giving it our 100% then there is no
way that Allah wouldn't accept it. He is Rahman o Raheem. Ghufoor.
[/quote]
Lemme write your words with Golden Ink!
Nadeem
[quote]
Originally posted by Nadeem:
**So Prof Gee!
Should we stop praying coz we can't reach upto that standard & can't touch that giudelines what you are marking here???????????
**
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Hargiz nahin Nadeem Sir Gee!
Please continue saying prayers but try to understand first & implement secondly what you are talking to Almighty in prayers in your life as well alongwith reciting it in namaaz.
Dear B/Badshah!
I think we are entering towards behs baray behs.Actually both of us are seeing each others points & both are holding the same rope only with some loops in it which are confusing us for nothing.
I am actually saying the same what you are axplaining with darkness & light example.
So probably we are holding the same ear but through different angles.
Personally I feel that rarediamonds has said it all & same should be everybody's approach.
kaho kaisi kahi ???