Mr. Imdad Ali, you are diverting from the thread. This thread is not "Hate the Army". Some of your points are valid, but you should realize I am refferring to the people who said that the people of Punjab always elected their own leader, for their own interests. You on the other hand have failed to realize the meaning of this thread.
Btw, why do you like Ghaffar Khan so much, may I remind you that he opposed to the Quaid, and in reality he was against Pakistan.
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You are right, this thread is "hate anyone who critisizes army and feudal lords". What else is the meanign of this thread? Who is reffering to people of Punjab? I am talking about army rulers. Why so defensive when people attack illegal army rulers?
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*Originally posted by RajputFury: *
Spock yara, Imdad hates Punjabis and as much as he will continue to deny when faced head on, his posts convey that reality. No matter how many times you'll bring up the facts, he'll divert it to an implicit hatred for Punjabis.
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Give me ONE example where I expressed hate for Punjabis? If you think bring facts of discrimination to provinces is expressing hate for Punjabis, than I pray for Pakistan's future where such thinking is the norm.
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*Originally posted by Imdad Ali: *
If you think bring facts of discrimination to provinces is expressing hate for Punjabis, than I pray for Pakistan's future where such thinking is the norm.
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When you bring up discrimination of the provinces you target Punjabis as the aggressor, the oppressor, the guilty. Why do you brush off Jamali or Musharraff as 'pawns of Punjab' where you deny their ethnic background to come up with a logically weak argument of dismissing any non-Punjabi leader to be working for the betterment of Punjab only?
As praying for Pakistan's future and critiquing my thinking, just remember that we don't need any more dividers like you and step out of your tunnel vision of Punjab-phobia.
I see no difference between Pakistanis, Punjabi or Non-Punjab, Muslim or Hindu, man or woman...too bad the same cannot be said about you!
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*Originally posted by Imdad Ali: *
Give me ONE example where I expressed hate for Punjabis? If you think bring facts of discrimination to provinces is expressing hate for Punjabis, than I pray for Pakistan's future where such thinking is the norm.
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Brother, you still fail to realize the meaning of this thread. You are speaking as if the army and Punjab were the same thing. Read over it again, with a cool mind, and I am sure you are wise enough to perceive my message.
When you bring up discrimination of the provinces you target Punjabis as the aggressor, the oppressor, the guilty. Why do you brush off Jamali or Musharraff as 'pawns of Punjab' where you deny their ethnic background to come up with a logically weak argument of dismissing any non-Punjabi leader to be working for the betterment of Punjab only?
As praying for Pakistan's future and critiquing my thinking, just remember that we don't need any more dividers like you and step out of your tunnel vision of Punjab-phobia.
I see no difference between Pakistanis, Punjabi or Non-Punjab, Muslim or Hindu, man or woman...too bad the same cannot be said about you!
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Jamali is a pawn of the army, but Musharraf is not. He is part of the problem, which is the army controlling Pakistan and denying basic justice to provinces. Is it my fault that army is Punjabi dominated?
It is so easy to learn from ther mistakes of past, but our leaders just refuse to so. Why?
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What did the Bengalis have against West Pakistanis?
First, every Pakistani should be able to answer this question before they ask people what they have against Punjabis.
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I really hate to step down to the level of race based politics...But who were ZAB, Yahya Khan, Gen. AAK Niazi? Punjabis definately contributed to the Bangladesh fiasco but there were plenty of other W.Pakistanis who were taking part in the hatred.
W.Pakistanis had trouble with the East and after Bangladesh, people like you turned on the Punjabis...If hypothetically you kick us out, who will you blame next, Sindhis, Pashtuns?
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I really hate to step down to the level of race based politics...But who were ZAB, Yahya Khan, Gen. AAK Niazi? Punjabis definately contributed to the Bangladesh fiasco but there were plenty of other W.Pakistanis who were taking part in the hatred.
W.Pakistanis had trouble with the East and after Bangladesh, people like you turned on the Punjabis...If hypothetically you kick us out, who will you blame next, Sindhis, Pashtuns?
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See that is the problem in perception. Why would we need to kick Punjabis out in the first place? Why has the Pakistan Army illegally taken over the country and refuses to address the demands of provinces?
And I will blame anyone who has illegally hijacked the country. Even if thsi person is mohajir, like Musharraf who can only be discribed as a traitor to Pakistan.
See that is the problem in perception. Why would we need to kick Punjabis out in the first place? Why has the Pakistan Army illegally taken over the country and refuses to address the demands of provinces?
And I will blame anyone who has illegally hijacked the country. Even if thsi person is mohajir, like Musharraf who can only be discribed as a traitor to Pakistan.
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Ok so now you hate the military?? I have news for you: The Pakistani military has reresentation of all provinces, certainly not equal representation, but it is niether the exclusive Punjabi institution that you make it out to be.
And hey the option still stands: If you dislike us so much then kick us out..POINT BLANK..Imdad, you should really visit Punjab and ask people if they are Punjabis or Pakistanis first and then tell me whose being racist.
Ok so now you hate the military?? I have news for you: The Pakistani military has reresentation of all provinces, certainly not equal representation, but it is niether the exclusive Punjabi institution that you make it out to be.
And hey the option still stands: If you dislike us so much then kick us out..POINT BLANK..Imdad, you should really visit Punjab and ask people if they are Punjabis or Pakistanis first and then tell me whose being racist.
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Rajput praa, chhad yaar.. Imdad saheb di punjabiyaan naal jindree nahin... Khair, isn't sad that 50+ years later, we still fight over punjabi-sindhi-pathan-baluch ethnic differences. I guess all 4 ethnic ppl shud bury the differences and come under one umbrella.
