To Admins, Muzna, Sarfraz, and Everybody Else

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Peace be upon you!

Over the last few days, some thoughts have been wandering thru the sable chambers of my brain… i thought hard about things, but still cant conclude. finally i decided to speak my mind off.

It hasnt been long, when i left all the sections and just kept myself to poetry and religion… becoz i couldnt bear with all the pornographic discussions, and/or, pornographic comments to clean ones.
It was just a few days after i started to contribute to the poetry section, that this man sarfraz started commenting on my (and a few others’) ass!

How would you people possibly react, when you carve your feelings into words, making them into a poem, and in reply, get a comment about your ass!!!

I posted two topics, one, and after a few days, another, complaining about that.. but to no avail!

I think if someone passes VULGAR comments on you, all the books of law, all the codes of conduct in the world allow you to ask for an apology!

I could have possibly replied to sarfraz by giving obscene and vulgar comments about his posts too.. but then, what difference will there be between me and sarfraz? I only asked for the most i could, keeping myself within the moral limitations. in reply of that, it was termed as “childish”, and i was suggestes to “grow up”! Grow up and talk about peoples asses??

My demand for apology, was not only disliked by all the friends here, but some of my messages were edited of by respected Muzna, saying nothing but sealing them with a stamp , “enuf” !

enuf what? muzna, my sister, enuf what? enuf self-respect ? that “enuf” from you wouldve been more suitable beneath sarfraz’s posts where he has:
i) comented about my ass
ii) asked me to lick his ass
iii) threatining me to f**k me in the ass
along with other similar vulgar comments.

they are not an offense to your censor policy. right? but my demand for an apology is pornographic? vulgar? obscene? sexually explicit? against the morals? against law? against the code of conduct?

This is not a complaint! this is just what i think.. and it might be wrong. yours is a free website.. its yours, and i certainly have no right to question you about how you run it. so i wont.

sarfraz says he’s not doing anything wrong.. you’re not doing anything wrong either. so the only person left, who can be blamed is me. it must be me who’s wrong.

Look at the bright side! suicide?
Lost eyesight i’m on your side!

Angel left one, right wing broken wing!
Lack of iron and/or sleeping!

can somebody please help me by pointing out where i was wrong?

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Dear someone else (nice nick by the way)

I don't know what has been happening between you and Mr Sarfaraz but after reading your message, it seems like you are very upset.

If i were you I would not be upset at all....I'd sit down and think about the whole situation. If Sarfaraz is a decent guy I'm sure he will realize where he is wrong and will come up with a appropriate response (may be an apology). Wise people do realize when they are wrong.

As far as your expectations are concerned, they are legitimate but you also have to understand the number of posts which are posted here and keeping a strict handle on the forum could sometimes be hard for the moderators.

Now! buddy! take it easy and shake it off. Have fun! this is what this place is all about :)

ciao
BoSS

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BoSS:

Have fun! this is what this place is all about

if having fun means talking vulgar, than i'm afraid, i hate having fun.

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Harris is absolutely right!

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Muzna baji,
how nice it wouldve been if you have bothered to reply to my question.

BoSS:

you also have to understand the number of posts which are posted here and keeping a strict handle on the forum could sometimes be hard for the moderators.

how come the moderators could see and edit off my clean messages out of the thousands, and not his vulgar ones!

[This message has been edited by someone else (edited 09-16-98).]

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Someone else

As it seems.... you are good at picking up lines in my posts...lemme know where i say vulgarity is fun!

If your messages were deleted then i am sure there must be a reason for it.

Anyway I tried to encourage you my friend and maybe you missed the line where i said if i were you i wouldn't be upset...try to think positive...it helps in life.

ciao
BoSS

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someone else:

You will always find irritating people on any discussion forum.

People like Sarfraz are trying to attract attention to themselves by being offensive. Perhaps he is lonely.

My advice is to try and ignore his posts by responding or even mentioning his name you'll only encourage him.

Given the number of posts the moderators can't filter every single one and some will slip through. Above all remember it's only a discussion forum don't take anything personal.

Farouq Taj.

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( BoSS
please dont get the wrong impression that i am against you or something...i respect you for what you said..but try to realize.. the answers to your lines are more of a sarcasm on the moderators. )

BoSS:

If your messages were deleted then i am sure there must be a reason for it.

If there was even a single reason, you would have seen a long long post from Muzna, dissing me, and showing that she is right!

Farooq taj:

People like Sarfraz are trying to attract attention to themselves by being offensive. Perhaps he is lonely.

What does this have to do with removing my clean posts? I get your message, but you must not favour the moderators, for something even they themselves never bothered to answer.

Given the number of posts the moderators can't filter every single one and some will slip through.

The dirty ones slipped thru, the clean ones got censored ? isnt it strange?
i am not asking them why they didnt censor sarfraz's posts.. i only asked them why they censored mine.

My dear friends, i appreciate your posts, and i know all you wanted to do was to make me feel better, and i respect you for that.... but please dont try to defend the moderators.... they are kings who need no constitution... its there website, and they can do whatever they like to do with it... and we are no one to ask them for reasons.... even if we do, they wont bother to reply... this is what appears to be the truth.

The only thing i can do is to stop taking part in the forum.. becoz if in a crowd of people, i have a point of view different from all of them, its better for me to leave them.. the whole crowd cannot be wrong.... it must be me who is wrong, and i WILL leave the forum, but if somebody could only point out WHERE i was wrong.. that was my actual question and i never got any reply to it.

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Dear Harris,
Assalamu alaikum!
I am on ur side 100%! Sarfraz made vulgar remarks and he should apologize for it!!! The moderators were WRONG when they deleted ur posts! So, this shows that ur not wrong! I agree with everything u say! but leaving the forum isn't the answer! U've proven ur point and the moderators agree with u too...what should really be done is to make Sarfraz say that he is sorry and then to make him leave the forum! Don't just back out now...keep fighting yara, what good do u think ur leaving will do??? it will only mean that Sarfraz has won.

hmm, so what do u want now??? u said ur the only one with a different point of view on this matter...well ur not! i support u too! hmm, i don't know what else to say...but just that don't let this get to u...that's what Sarfraz wants!
take care
Khuda hafiz

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Dear hayaa,
I'm glad to hear that theres atleast one person who gets my point.

Hayaa, if leaving the forum isnt the answer, then what is the answer?

you said:

what should really be done is to make Sarfraz say that he is sorry and then to make him leave the forum

I was trying to do exactly the same.. when
MUZNA DISCOURAGED ME, EDITTING OFF SOME OF MY CLEAN MESSAGES, AND CLOSING ALL THE THREADS WHERE I WAS POSTING MESSAGES.

U've proven ur point and the moderators agree with u too.

hayaa dont think they agree with me.Our
Respected moderator disagreed with my point, and DELETED MY POSTS BECOZ OF PERSONAL DISAGREEMENT WITH MY POINT! My posts were not vulgar, the only bad thing about them was that MUZNA DISAGREED WITH MY POINT .. so she closed all the threads without any reaosn.

it wont surprise me if i come hee tommrow and see that this thread has been closed, and in the end, there is a short message by muzna:
"enuf"

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Dear hayaa,
I'm glad to hear that theres atleast one person who gets my point.

Hayaa, if leaving the forum isnt the answer, then what is the answer?

you said:

what should really be done is to make Sarfraz say that he is sorry and then to make him leave the forum

I was trying to do exactly the same.. when
MUZNA DISCOURAGED ME, EDITTING OFF SOME OF MY CLEAN MESSAGES, AND CLOSING ALL THE THREADS WHERE I WAS POSTING MESSAGES.

U've proven ur point and the moderators agree with u too.

hayaa dont think they agree with me.Our
Respected moderator disagreed with my point, and DELETED MY POSTS BECOZ OF PERSONAL DISAGREEMENT WITH MY POINT! My posts were not vulgar, the only bad thing about them was that MUZNA DISAGREED WITH MY POINT .. so she closed all the threads without any reaosn.

it wont surprise me if i come hee tommrow and see that this thread has been closed, and in the end, there is a short message by muzna:
"enuf"

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Harris,

Is there anything else to say? 'Cause if there is . . please get it off your chest.

And when you are through, I'll tell you about how I banned Sarfraz from the forum immediately after I posted my "You are absolutely right" message.

take care little one.

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Here read for yourself

Dear Muzna,

I'm unable to post anything on the forum. Do you have any explanation for
this? The denial of permission.

Please answer by return mail.

Thanks!

Sarfraz

Now I understand you goddamned lady,

If your life has been so itchy bithy, you don't have to vent your
frustrations on me. Why don't you remove all those disgusting things from
your mind+memory and go out after your work to find a compatible man for
youself. If you cannot do it, I'll find a good man for the rest of your
life. Remember I'm the man with special knowledge. Agree.

Take it easy girl. It will be alright. Have a great hope. But don't play
with me please. Let me post some of the things I enjoy. It has nothing to do
with you or between us. Oke.

Now, act like a good girl. You are great!

Your friend,

Sarfraz

PS: If you need any help, you're always welcome. And it's a shame on you
that you've even deleted my 'Yawn' and 'Chattaing with Europe' topics. I'm
seriously concerned about your mental state. Need some help. I hope not.
Anyway, e-mail me with a sober answer. Oke. Behave like a nice little lady.
That you are.

These are two e-mail messages that I have already received. I'm sure that there are more to follow. Not to mention the fact that he may attempt alternative methods of logging on thereby creating more mess on the forums.

Now, Harris . . . judge for yourself . . . did I do what I did because I didn't agree with the posts?

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Leaves me speechless

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Dear Muzna,
Thank you.
Reading the responses from this person have kept me from writing on the forum from some time but I thought there was nothing that could be done. Maybe I'll participate more often now.

[This message has been edited by Shirin (edited 09-19-98).]

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man...Ive been following this development now...but I gotta say after reading Sarfraz's emails...Only one thing comes to my mind: WHO LETS THESE KIND OF PEOPLE OUT OF PAKISTAN? I believe hes in Amsterdam? Its illiterate people like him that give us Pakistanis a bad name...

f.

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I continue to receive e-mail messages from Sarfraz. And the calibre of the language used in them continues to deteriorate.

The messages that I am now receiving from him are no longer qualified to be posted here as they violate the obscenity and vulgarity guidelines that we at TOPP wish to uphold. Hence these mails shall be circulated to the Moderators and Admin Group as examples of what should not appear in our forums.

Please note that I will not be offering any further explanations as to why this particular member has been banned from the Gup Shup forums except that he/she had violated the contract agreed upon at the time of membership registration.

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way to go MUZNA!!!!!

you tell em!!!

f.

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My Dear Someone Else

Well I am new on the subject and hence know nothing how this business about your ass got started and how did sarfraz whom I do not know got atrracted to you aa..

You see to be truly hurt. sounds like Ummi ummi yah lurka mujhay bouri bat kah raha hay. teacher teacher yah llurka mere chouter kou daikhta hai.. woughara woughara.
You know if you someone knows you get teased easily on one subject he will probably teas you more.
If I was to guess your age I will put it not more than 14 (right!!) Well grwo up and be like a man and face up to people instaed of crying and compalining about it. Ignore it and luagh about it, ass or no ass. Smug gaay kay nahin mere yar!!
Byeee.....

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Dear s malik . ..

"Well I am new on the subject and hence know nothing how this business " --
In that case, stay out of it.

Since you feel that you are in a position to spread wisdom around, you should also be aware of the fact that it is foolish to comment on something that you do not have a complete picture on . . .

My efforts here are to put the fire out. Not fan the flames. . . . .

Let well enough alone.