While watching the movie Mangal Panday I was thinking about Tipu Sultan, exactly similar atmosphere… only difference; Sultan was Muslim and Raja of Indian State Maysour where as Panday was ordinary EIC (East India Company) soldier.
I am eager to know what do Indian especially Hindus regard him (Tipu) as? Freedom Fighter or Muslim Terrorist?
NOTE TO MODERATORS: Since this is pre-independence, leave it to General.
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Definitely Freedom Fighter!!!
There used to be a TV serial (The sword of Tipu Sultan) some years back and it was a huge hit
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yeah most of them do regard him as a freedom fighter
but there are some who regard him as a terrorist ..for them the 'marhattas' are the real heros who betrayed Tipu
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Tipus was known Sher-e-Hind if I remember correctly, mangal had to take a substantial amount of insult before he decided to fight back. both the man and the movie are over-rated. (or maybe my history is weak)
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Tipu Sultan is regarded as a hero in virtually all of India, especially in Karnataka.
there are certain communities that do not respect him, and they have their valid reasons.
for the most part, Tipu was a very tolerant ruler. why would hindus hate him or call him terrorist? Same goes for Akbar, who is also very highly respected in India. they won't be hated simply for being muslim, they will be hated for being intolerant bast.ards or barbaric murderers. Tipu and Akbar, for the most part, did not fall into those categories unlike many other prominent muslims in south asian history. It is not human nature to hate a ruler that treats you fairly and rules the land well.
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tipu was a lion..no way mangal can come close to him...it is just like comparing michael jackson to saleen javed..huh
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In reality, Magal accompished nothing other than disrespecting a British officer.
Tipu Sultan killed countless British officers and british men.
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Here is some information about Tipu Sultan which might help and it's a pretty balanced Article.
Thanks
Salman
Tipu Sultan, the eldest son of Haider Ali, was born on December 10, 1750 at Devanhalli. Right from his early years he was trained in the art of warfare and at the age of 15 he used to accompany his father Haider Ali, the ruler of Mysore, to different military campaigns. In Addition, he also learnt different languages, mathematics and science. Tipu Sultan had a fascination for learning. His personal library consisted of more than 2,000 books in different languages. He was an extremely active man and worked hard for the welfare of his subjects. He took over the kingdom of Mysore after the death of his father in 1782, who died of a carbuncle in the midst of a campaign against the British. He continued fighting the British and defeated them in 1783.
Tipu Sultan was a farsighted person who could foresee East India Company's design to get entrenched in India. He therefore negotiated with the French for help and also sought assistance from the Amir of Afghanistan and the Sultan of Turkey. The British were scared of Tipu's growing strength and after their defeat in 1783 they formed an alliance with the Nizam of Hyderabad and Marhattas. The French, however, deserted Tipu after the signing of the Treaty of Versailles. The British availed the chance with the help of the Nizam and the Marathas, and started the third Anglo-Mysore war in 1790.
As long as the British fought alone, Tipu always defeated them. But he could not come over their diplomacy, conspiracy and intrigue. Thus he was defeated in his capital, Seringapatam, and was forced to sign a humiliating treaty on March 22, 1792. As a result he had to concede half of his kingdom and pay an indemnity of 33 million rupees to the British and their allies. The alliance between the adversaries was soon broken and in 1795 the British, after defeating the Nizam, once again turned their attention towards Mysore. After the treaty at Seringapatam, Tipu Sultan did not waste his time and made extensive preparations against the British. He had rebuilt his war machine in the shortest possible time with the help of the French. The British regarded it as a violation of the treaty. This led to the start of the fourth Anglo-Mysore war in 1798 with the help of the Nizam. The French were unable to provide the needed support to Tipu Sultan. Tipu Sultan retreated to his capital and continued fighting till he breathed his last in May 1799. Tipu Sultan is buried at a mausoleum that he himself had built, along with his father Haider Ali and his mother Fatima Begum.
Tipu Sultan was a great patriot and like his father realized the danger of letting the British becoming stronger. Although much of the period of his rule was given to war with the Marhattas, the Nizam and the British, he made his state secure and peaceful with benevolent rule. He was an enlightened ruler who treated his non-Muslim subjects generously. He built a chain of excellent roads and constructed tanks and dams to promote agriculture. He introduced new industries, promoted trade and commerce on a large scale. Tipu prohibited the production and distribution of liquor and other intoxicants in Mysore. He also built and fortified numerous forts and many palaces, which were demolished by the British after his death. Bangalore Summer Palace still survives and is a remnant of his grand rule.
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I cannot see Mangal Pandey or Shahid Bhagatsingh or any other Hindu freedom fighter getting any respect on this forum. Reason is obvious, isn't it to you?
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… kaise kaise log hai duniya me …
he is my hero … i am not muslim, But i appreciate him for why / how he diid the things at that time …
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Aurangzeb Alamgir was the best of the Mughal rulers...He was pious,religious & tolerant...He was so modest that he used to stich his own clothes & his income consisted of the Caligraphy of Quran....
Another revelational Muslim leader was Mohammed Bin Qasim,who introduced Islam in Sind & thence India....
Mohammad Ghauri & Mahmood Ghaznavi were other tolerant muslim leaders in India,who brought Islam & peace to India...
Tipu Sultan was a bold courageous leader who checked the British advance in Southern India for many years....& got the title of Tiger...
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its not about who did how much damage.. a person did a damage according to where he was placed.. it is very couragous to stand upto a tyrant ruler..
i still wana see mangal pandey.. as it is a historic film.. bt it is these ordinary ppl who were tired stood up and fought the occupation and tyrancy.. if one person doesnt start… then no one will start..
so its not how big the damage.. it is how big the corage was.. thats wat a man shud look at..
allah hafiz
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tipu rose to a status of a ruler he had a well defined state of his own .
mangal panday was a soldier n stood against the britishers . the difference is clear.
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[quote=“Goliko”]
Aurangzeb Alamgir was the best of the Mughal rulers…He was pious,religious & tolerant…He was so modest that he used to stich his own clothes & his income consisted of the Caligraphy of Quran…
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Don’t even mention Tipu and Aurangzeb in the same paragraph. Tipu was known for his liberal attitudes towas Hindus. Aurangzeb despised Hindus and oppressed them all his life even when he had some distinguished Hindu sardars in his court. Auranzeb was such a pious muslim that he killed his own older brother Dara and jailed his own father until his death. Many bakhars mention also of his having an inappropriate relationsship with his own sister. Kahanse yeh bewakoofee seekh lee aapne kisko maalum.
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aurangzeb was probably the reason the Mughals started losing it.. close minded mullahcratic laws always invite Allah's wrath.. pretty much like the end of Taliban in Afghanistan..
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Yes...Deen-Ilahi probably did not have anything to do with the demise. :)
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well no.. in fact the Mughal's were probably at their peak in Akbar's time.. and years after that..