Tiny new species of human found

http://us.rediff.com/news/2004/oct/28human.htm

Tiny new species of human found

In one of the most spectacular fossil finds in recent times, scientists have found fossil skeletons of a tiny human that grew no larger than a three-year-old modern child, a report said on Thursday.

The hobbit-like humans, who had skulls about the size of grapefruits, lived with pygmy elephants and Komodo dragons on a remote island in Indonesia as recently as 13,000 years ago, National Geographic News reported.

Australian and Indonesian researchers, it said, discovered bones of the miniature humans in a cave on Flores, an island midway between Asia and Australia.

The tiny human is believed to be an extinct Asian offshoot of Homo erectus, the forerunners of Home sapiens, as modern man is called.

But, he should be classified as a separate species of Homo, as he was entirely different from either Homo erectus or Homo sapiens, a report in the British science journal Nature said.

Scientists have determined that the first skeleton they found belongs to a species of human completely new to science.

Named Homo floresiensis, after the island on which it was found, the tiny human has also been dubbed by dig workers as the ‘hobbit’, after the tiny creatures from the Lord of the Rings book, the report in the National Geographic News said.

The original skeleton, a female, was just a metre tall, weighed about 25 kilograms and was around 30 years old at the time of her death 18,000 years ago.

The skeleton, the report said, was found in the same sediment deposits on Flores that have also been found to contain stone tools and the bones of dwarf elephants, giant rodents and Komodo dragons.

Homo floresienses has been described as one of the “most spectacular discoveries in paleoanthropology in half a century” and the most extreme human ever discovered.

interesting discovery :k:

wat if these creatures aren’t extinct but still live somewhere in the dense bushes of indonesia :eek:

Then we will have more characters in hollywood movies.
j/k

i hope we find them if they exist. it would be great to learn from their social structure, genetics and all those hightech stuff.

yajooj majooj.

finding them will inevitably also mean that there might be some interbreeding :eek:

Around 7/8 years ago, in pak, apparently some tiny humans (boneh) were sighted in some field and reported in the local newspaper. We went past the sight once or twice, but there were huge crowds coming from all over to see them. It was never confrmed if they were actually seen, or if it was just a rumour but it soon fizzled out. However, thats not the first i've been hearing stories about these boneh sightings. Maybe they live underground or something and stay away from humans..

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Around 7/8 years ago, in pak, apparently some tiny humans (boneh) were sighted in some field and reported in the local newspaper. We went past the sight once or twice, but there were huge crowds coming from all over to see them. It was never confrmed if they were actually seen, or if it was just a rumour but it soon fizzled out. However, thats not the first i've been hearing stories about these boneh sightings. Maybe they live underground or something and **stay away from humans.. *

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They actually are humans.

But yeah they dont need a big city to live in, may be they live somewhere undergournd or in a forest.
It is also possible that they are us, may be we used to be that small before the stoneage. remember humans are getting bigger in every generation, our precursors were smaller than us and after 100 years average human height will be more than present.

Nice article on nature.com
Flores man special - Nature news

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yajooj majooj.
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Lol that was the first thing that came to my mind after reading a brief news crawler at the bottom of my tv screen regarding discovery.

This really is a very intresting find. Though there is some debate going on about whether they should fall under the "Homo" family but its still a significant discovery nonetheless. They say that their species probablly became extinct due to volcano eruptions that took place some in those islands.

they (the skeletons) cud have been some monkeys and the tools belonging to the humans who were present in the same area....

scientists can be such dreamers at times....

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they (the skeletons) cud have been some monkeys and the tools belonging to the humans who were present in the same area....

scientists can be such dreamers at times....
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i saw the skulls and they look humans skull.
Plus scientists have ways to prove that which species it belongs too.
I am sure scientists are not trying to gain popularity by misinforming us.

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they (the skeletons) cud have been some monkeys and the tools belonging to the humans who were present in the same area....

scientists can be such dreamers at times....
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Don't ever post again in the science and philisohphy forum.

This must be the funniest thing I've ever read........... Since I was a kid, I always read that humans are actually getting smaller with each generation cz of the change in lifestyle..... cz the life's becoming so easy...... before humans were huge.... and much more powerful physically. In present date..... many humans dont even get their wisdom tooth until they are too old.... and those who do have it in a very smaller size as compared to the older people.

What you have stated is contrary to what I've always heard about human species.

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remember humans are getting bigger in every generation, our precursors were smaller than us and after 100 years average human height will be more than present.
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Actually thats the truth. i used to think that way too but it is other way around.
two days ago there was a report in cnn saying that average americans are 2.5 inches taller and 25lb heavier then what they were 40 years ago. i know this is off topic as 2.5 inches in 40 years is too much and doesnt apply here but it is worth stating.

Here is an article in support of my point.

Research has shown that the average height of humans is increasing. In the last 150 years, the average height of men and women has increase an average of 10 centimeters. In the Netherlands, it has actually increased by 25 centimeters.

Studies from around the world have confirmed these findings. A number of theories of why humans average height is increasing have been put forward, including improved genetics, maternal care, wealth, education, and housing conditions.

However, the most likely reason seems to be better nutrition, and healthier people. Studies of the height of slaves in the United States in the early 1800’s and of the French during the food crisis in France in the 1700’s are two studies that confirm the tie of height to food, where people who are hungry fail to grow as tall as the people who have better nutrition.http://www.alumni.ca/~wris4d0/background.htm

Yeah this is actually true. Because of all the food that we eat nowadays (which contain more hormones than before) we are getting bigger as humanity. Now this is compared to the past centuries that we have written history of. I don't think that very early humans were smaller than us. I could be wrong though.

going by the fact that kaka_in_usa posted this and its about small people in another country im guessing this too is along the lines of ‘sanskrit is the root of greek’.

so indians discovered indonesia. who gives a crap. :rolleyes:

ravage mian, no guzzling whiskey during ramzan. :nono:

there was an article in Nature on this, and the claim was these humans and other animals were isolated on the island for a few hundred thousand years, and under such conditions evolution favours miniaturization with each generation. apparently the homos arent the only mini-creatures from the island.

Dont know.......... still hard to believe it........ can you guess how the pyramids in Egypt were built in the absence of the sort of advanced machinery that we have today? What does your brain suggest?

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Actually thats the truth. i used to think that way too but it is other way around.
two days ago there was a report in cnn saying that average americans are 2.5 inches taller and 25lb heavier then what they were 40 years ago. i know this is off topic as 2.5 inches in 40 years is too much and doesnt apply here but it is worth stating.
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hey ravage, what is it. what is your problem. How in the heavens can you relate the above article with india, greece or sanskrit. Dont you have anything else to do. this is a science and philosophy forum , you can take your business some where else.
BTW in the above topic there is nothing about india. its about a discovery in indonesia from indonesian and australian scientists.

Dont be so obssessed with india so much. And next time read the article first.

and as queer said, no booze in ramzan.