Timing of ‘Isha prayer (merged)

[Sadiyah]

Assalamo alaykum,

All along I was under the impression that the time for Isha salah lasts till right before Fajr. On the contrary, I came across a view that suggests that the time for Isha is till midnight. I believe there are two opinions/views. I think the other one suggests that you can pray before Fajr starts and it would still be okay.

Praise be to Allaah.

‘Isha prayer must be performed before midnight, and it is not permissible to delay it until midnight, because the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “The time of ‘Isha’ is until midnight” (narrated by Muslim, al-Masaajid wa Mawaadi’ al-Salaah, 964). So you have to pray it before midnight, based on the length of the night, because the night may be longer or shorter, so the guideline is how many hours the night lasts. If the night is ten hours long, then it is not permissible to delay it until the end of the fifth hour. The best way it to pray it in the first third of the night. If a person prays it at the beginning of the time for ‘Isha, that is OK, but if he delays it a little while, that is preferable, because the Messenger (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) used to recommend delaying ‘Isha’ prayer for a little while. But if someone prays it at the beginning of its time, after the twilight – the reddish afterglow along the horizon – has vanished, there is nothing wrong with that. And Allaah knows best.

Ref: Timing of ‘Isha prayer

**The time of ‘Isha **

The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “The time for ‘Isha’ lasts until midnight.”

So the time for ‘Isha’ begins immediately after the time for Maghrib ends (i.e., when the red afterglow disappears from the sky) until midnight.

Question: how do we calculate when midnight is?

Answer: if you want to calculate when midnight is, then calculate the time between sunset and sunrise then divide it in half; that halfway point is the end of the time for praying ‘Isha’ (and that is midnight).

So if the sun sets at 5 p.m., and Fajr begins at 5 a.m., then midnight is 11 p.m. If the sun sets at 5 p.m. and Fajr begins at 6 p.m., then midnight is 11.30 p.m., and so on.

Ref: Times of the five daily prayers

Please feel free to share other views, preferably backed up by Quran and ahadith.

[armughal]

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midnight looks good, but how did they measure the time in the days of the Prophet (saw) to know when midnights falls....
i dont think they used clocks/watches at that time....

[Crescent]

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Yea so i've heard. But I think its allowed if one has missed it.
Not sure.

[Terrible_Guy]

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@Sadiyah

Assalamo alaykum,

All along I was under the impression that the time for Isha salah lasts till right before Fajr. On the contrary, I came across a view that suggests that the time for Isha is till midnight. I believe there are two opinions/views. I think the other one suggests that you can pray before Fajr starts and it would still be okay.

Ref: Timing of ‘Isha prayer

Ref: Times of the five daily prayers

Please feel free to share other views, preferably backed up by Quran and ahadith.

I can’t get you a source at the moment, but the one that I follow is that Isha time goes until Fajr time, and the later you make it, the better it is. This is aside from the 20 minutes or so for being on the safe side, for instance what they put on some calendars for suhoor time. I’ve heard this from a scholar but never asked for a reference.

[Sadiyah]

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armughal, even if they didn't have clocks, I'm sure they must've had some method to calculate time.

TerribleGuy, see if you can find something, insha'Allah. I recall delaying Isha salah; however, to the best of my knowledge, that time was used to offer ibaadah, which I believe was followed by Isha salah and Allahu aalim.

[shanur]

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Just before "Subhe sadiq" the sky brightens up for a moment, which seems to be like that of subhe sadiq. But it is not actually subhe sadiq.

It is called "Subhe Kazib". Is so called because its a false light that seems to look like that of subhe sadiq. "Kazib" means false or not true.

You can pray Isha prayer till Subhe Kazib.

This is what I heard from one scholar here. Check it out yourself for surety.

[Lajawab]

Isha...

So I have a couple of Dalaails from strong sources...

One says, it is better to pray before midnight...

The other says it's OK if you pray it before Fajr...

Which has more stronger Dalils?

[Captain_Lota]

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Okay to pray Isha just before Fajr? Isnt that like some people praying Duhr Asr Maghrib at the same time?

My personal philosophy is when in doubt stay on the safe side. Pray Isha before midnight.

Sincerely,
Captain Lota

[mAd_ScIeNtIsT]

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Isn't midnight a concept that only came about after the 24-hour clock?

Given that 12 o'clock midnight did not exist at the time of the Prophet (saws), I've always been confused as to how people can say you should pray before midnight.

Or is midnight halfway between whenever Isha time is and fajr time?

[Lajawab]

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@mAd_ScIeNtIsT

Isn’t midnight a concept that only came about after the 24-hour clock?

Given that 12 o’clock midnight did not exist at the time of the Prophet (saws), I’ve always been confused as to how people can say you should pray before midnight.

Or is midnight halfway between whenever Isha time is and fajr time?

So, what should one do?

What is the most strongest Dalil?

The Athan software says from twilight after Maghrib to midnight, yet I know I have read about it being OK till Fajr…

Dalaails, Dalaails and Dalaails are what I need brothas and sistas…

[KARAKUSH]

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oopsy

[KARAKUSH]

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@Lajawab

So I have a couple of Dalaails from strong sources...

One says, it is better to pray before midnight...

The other says it's OK if you pray it before Fajr...

Which has more stronger Dalils?

yaar research kay baghair my knowledge only:

if u havent prayed? isha n u sleep n wake up sometime before fajar then its qaza,if u dont sleep but pray late then its not qaza.but its recommended kah ''awaal'' waqt hi parh laini chahiye.

[Sharaabi]

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I asked my sheikh, who is a hanafi scholar and a graduate of Islamic Univ of Madeenah and this is what he said.

It is afzal if you pray Isha before midnight, but the time for isha lasts until Fajr.

Now when is midnight? No its not always 12am. Midnight is half way between, when the sun sets completely (this is when Maghrib time ends) and Fajr time.

So if the sun sets at 7pm and Fajr is at 6am, midnight will be at 12.30am.

Notice you dont use Isha time for for finding out when the night begins, because Isha Azaan is usually given a bit after the night starts.

[system]

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@Sharaabi

I asked my sheikh, who is a hanafi scholar and a graduate of Islamic Univ of Madeenah and this is what he said.

It is afzal if you pray Isha before midnight, but the time for isha lasts until Fajr.

Now when is midnight? No its not always 12am. Midnight is half way between, when the sun sets completely (this is when Maghrib time ends) and Fajr time.

So if the sun sets at 7pm and Fajr is at 6am, midnight will be at 12.30am.

Notice you dont use Isha time for for finding out when the night begins, because Isha Azaan is usually given a bit after the night starts.

Lajo, thats the answer Mohammad Baghazal gave also a long time back.

[Lajawab]

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@Sharaabi

I asked my sheikh, who is a hanafi scholar and a graduate of Islamic Univ of Madeenah and this is what he said.

It is afzal if you pray Isha before midnight, but the time for isha lasts until Fajr.

Now when is midnight? No its not always 12am. Midnight is half way between, when the sun sets completely (this is when Maghrib time ends) and Fajr time.

So if the sun sets at 7pm and Fajr is at 6am, midnight will be at 12.30am.

Notice you dont use Isha time for for finding out when the night begins, because Isha Azaan is usually given a bit after the night starts.

This is what I was looking for…A detailed answer from an authentic source…

Thanks and Sharaabi…

And most of the references I was able to find, did recommend praying before midnight…

So I guess a minor adjustment is called for in my offering…

Sharaabi, thanks for finding that out for me, man…:k:

[Sadiyah]

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Lajawab, I've merged your thread with the one I started a while back, as they both revolve around the timing for Isha salah. Hope that's okay with you.

[Lajawab]

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@Sadiyah

Lajawab, I’ve merged your thread with the one I started a while back, as they both revolve around the timing for Isha salah. Hope that’s okay with you.

Kewl with me…Thanks…:k:

[Captain1]

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@KARAKUSH

yaar research kay baghair my knowledge only:

if u havent prayed? isha n u sleep n wake up sometime before fajar then its qaza,if u dont sleep but pray late then its not qaza.but its recommended kah ''awaal'' waqt hi parh laini chahiye.

I apologize in advance, but "isha time" doesn't depend on whether you sleep or not and what time you sleep.

Though Isha is not 'qaza' until Fajr time begins, following is another recommendation for 'best time for Isha':
Divide time after maghrib (beginning of darkness) till Fajr time into 3. Best time for Isha is 1st part of the 3 (the earlier the merrier I blv), sleep the 2nd part and 3rd part is for tahajjud.

[KARAKUSH]

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@Captain1

I apologize in advance, but “isha time” doesn’t depend on whether you sleep or not and what time you sleep.

Though Isha is not ‘qaza’ until Fajr time begins, following is another recommendation for ‘best time for Isha’:
Divide time after maghrib (beginning of darkness) till Fajr time into 3. Best time for Isha is 1st part of the 3 (the earlier the merrier I blv), sleep the 2nd part and 3rd part is for tahajjud.

:k: