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And if the men here don't answer your question, does that make them "lesser" men? Knight, I don't like bringing in family, but I will do so with the intention to make a point and not to take a dig at you. And if you feel insulted, do keep in mind that you attacked my upbringing first. Anyhow, did your father marry a victim of abuse? If not, does that mean he failed as a man or is less of a man? How about your brother? Despite you strongly encouraging your sons to marry divorced/abused women, what if one of them falls in love with an "out if the wrapper" girl and marries her? Does that mean your upbringing failed....or that he is less of a man....or would you be more lenient toward your son and tell us that there is more than one way to be a man? And if so, then you need to quit being so judgmental of others' level of religiosity and manliness. Stop testing people with such questions.

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^This. There is more than one way of manning up.

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I had previously politely asked you to not bother with my posts as I don't see engaging with you of any value for me. If you like go write essays and lectures, I won't bother to read or respond. Thanks for your time.

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If most of us would be manning up to be gentlemanly towards our spouses, there wouldn't be as many abused women to begin with requiring us to man up to support the ones that need it. Yes the obsession amongst many with virginity is not very healthy. We are probably the only society that puts so much emphasis on it. The Prophet(SAW) by example showed us that it is very acceptable to marry divorced women, I never saw the instruction that prefers a virgin over a divorcee or widow.

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Sweet even the most vocal of man's rights activists call women rights as deadly and disastrous in Pakistan, everyone talks about the stigma of divorce in Pak community, so much so that they wn't open their mouth to answer a simple question, my friends from NED Uni back home told me that wadearas and Jagirdars sons on a daily basis raped kidnapped girls in the hostels and you could hear the blood curdling screams of these girls from thousands of yards, no one manned up to save them. These rapes were never reported as the girls and their future would be destroyed and the family honor would be ruined. The victims are avoided as plagues and the perpetrators hailed as MANNNN!!! their mothers as sharifzadeeh socialites. What is trollish about trying to tell people that a rape victim is a Shareefzadeeh, in many cases more than the heinous women that raised rapists and the vicious women who chastise them for being a victim. Twist my words but this is my message.

Then never looked for it.

Narrated Jabir: I was with Allah’s Apostle in a Ghazwa, and when we returned, I wanted to hurry, while riding a slow camel. A rider came behind me. I looked back and saw that the rider was Allah’s Apostle . He said (to me), “What makes you in such a hurry?” I replied, “I am newly married.” He said, “Did you marry a virgin or a matron?” I replied, “(Not a virgin but) a matron.” He said,** “Why didn’t you marry a young girl with whom you could play and who could play with you?**” Then when we approached (Medina) and were going to enter (it), the Prophet said, “Wait till you enter (your homes) at night (in the first part of the night) so that the ladies with unkempt hair may comb their hair, and those whose husbands have been absent (for a long time) may shave their pubic hair.” (The sub-narrator, Hashim said: A reliable narrator told me that the Prophet added in this Hadith: “(Seek to beget) children! Children, O Jabir!”) (Book #62, Hadith #172)

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Right, he showed us. He didn't constantly talk or brag about his good deeds. He also didn't try to test/gauge/determine the level of manliness in his companions and other men. Knight, may Allah keep your daughter safe from rape and all forms of harm. May Allah keep her chaste and virtuous, Amin. These are good qualities; there is nothing wrong or shameful in them. One day she may be the "out of the wrapper" girl that inshaAllah a good man will marry and she'll prove to be a good wife, inshaAllah. These qualities would not make her less of a woman or wife, so it's best to avoid stereotyping the two groups of females. One has to keep in mind that their own loved ones may be members of the groups they're stereotyping.

Knight, take a closer look at your threads. Your own posts are nothing short of lectures and essays. And if you're gonna pride yourself on having shorter posts, then at least infuse your brevity with more logic and humility and less emotion.

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Thanks for the response, I do know this hadith very well, but respectfully young does not mean a virgin, girls were getting married very young in those times, I can also show you 40 yrs old virgins. Only Hadrat Ayesha (RA) out of all the mothers of believers were a virgin at the time of marriage to the beloved prophet (SAW). The Sahabis response was that he had young sisters at home and he did not wish his wife to compete with them, as per hadith you are supposed to marry for four things if I am not mistaken, Beauty, character, wealth and religion and religion is the best of all. Nowhere does it say virginity.

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Narrated Abu Huraira: The Prophet said, "A woman is married for four things, i.e., her wealth, her family status, her beauty and her religion. So you should marry the religious woman (otherwise) you will be a losers.

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Narrated Abu Huraira: The Prophet said, "A woman is married for four things, i.e., her wealth, her family status, her beauty and her religion. So you should marry the religious woman (otherwise) you will be a losers.

No mention of virginity.

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Haven't read recent posts. But I can sense peace returning to this thread. Nice job people.

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Red Velvett

Somehow I am not surprised at attacks on my family, some of them have been edited, bringing my young daughter into the discussion is the most abhorrent thing, some repugnant monsters hide behind the cloak of religion and nammaz, But I can't get too upset as Hadrat Ayesha (RA) was slandered by monsters also and beloved prophet(SAW) said foul things come out of foul peoples mouths. Surprised to see no response on vicious attacks against my family but a word appreciate creates a huge back lash. Nastiness has consequences in this life and in hereafter. Nasty people pay a price by being alone and lonely and drowning in bitterness and depression, no job, no financial security. NO LOVE!!!!

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RED VELVETT

Red Velvett also so that you understand me well and anyone else wanting to post garbage about my young child, If anyone ever tries to touch my child, I promise on ALLAH that I will feed that animal alive into a giant meat grinder and make his parents eat his flesh. Please don't mistake kindness or weakness.

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1) You were the FIRST to attack my family. Despite that, I stated in my post that I am bringing up your family to illustrate a point and NOT with the intent to insult. Yes, I did bring up your daughter, but I wished her well in so many ways, I gave her duas for safety and a happy future and ended them with Amin. And here you are, a baap with a beti of his own, and you're deriving pleasure from someone else's daughter being unmarried?!!!???

2) This is not your first time taking a dig at me for being unmarried. You have done it many times as Shawn and Hottie. Only this time, the dig is indirect, but it's the same dig. You are always railing against the backward mentality of Desis...and here you are YET AGAIN....acting exactly like one of those backward, paindu auntis who insult other people's daughters for being single. **This is this kind of taana that auratain give, not men, Knight. So much for "manning"-up right? **There are many single women on GS and if you look down on them for this, then you shouldn't be encouraging people to help abused women. You are part of the abuse yourself. And don't bother telling me that you weren't taking shots at me being single or that I've misunderstood. You've done it way too often for me to give you the benefit of the doubt. If you've taken on the role of guiding us wayward sheeples, then do so without judgment and contempt. Someone who is so loved up and content with marriage and life in general shouldn't be acting this way.

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Hey, I manned up :woho:

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the fact that some of the people here is just crass; such tools much masuami daddo

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I fully appreciate the point of this thread but what the hell kind of language is that! "Abused battered girls" "brand new out of the wrapper"

WTH! Since when is it appropriate to describe someone by their experiences of pain or lack thereof? Please think of more respectful way of saying the same thing.

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Phew!

Just went thru first 4 pages of this thread and my gosh u guys are really judgemental...to the point of being rude actually!

At times you have to look at the intent of what the person is trying to say or convey, what's the obsession with reading between the lines or getting stuck at choice of words? Everyone is different and their choice of words may vary and its not the end of the world. As long as its nothing extreme, don't get stuck at it.

Just my 2.5 cents :p.

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Knight30 I totally agree with you.
May Allah bless you guys with happiness and help u spread it further.
A brave and admirable step indeed.
You are the Man!!!