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Originally posted by kimmy:
"There is no God else beside me; a jut God and a Saviour; there is none beside me. Look untome, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else."
Isaiah 45:21-22
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Ibrahim says : Greetings of Peace to one and all
Dear Kimmy, I assume you are trying to convey that
*a) there is no god other than the Creator *
( let us use the word “Creator” since that is what is actually being conveyed in that passage that you have quoted and the word God NEVER existed in the Torah and neither did Prophet Isaiah ever knew such a word called “God” )
** b) He alone is the savior of mankind. **
and to support those claims you spliced Isaiah 45:21-22 as above.
Mind you , splicing verses may not always reveal what is being conveyed, so let me quote more details as from Isaiah 45:18-22
Read!
Isaiah 45: 18. For this is what the LORD says—** he who created the heavens, he is God;** he who fashioned and made the earth, he founded it; he did not create it to be empty, but formed it to be inhabited—** he says: "I am the LORD, and there is no other. **
I have not spoken in secret, from somewhere in a land of darkness; I have not said to Jacob's descendants, `Seek me in vain.' I, the LORD, speak the truth; I declare what is right.
"Gather together and come; assemble, you fugitives from the nations. ** Ignorant are those who carry about idols of wood, who pray to gods that cannot save. **
Declare what is to be, present it-- let them take counsel together. Who foretold this long ago, who declared it from the distant past? Was it not I, the LORD? ** And there is no God apart from me, a righteous God and a Savior; there is none but me.
"Turn to me and be saved, all you ends of the earth; ** for I am God, and there is no other. **
Now based on the above passage, those who call themselves Christians will have no room to stand upon, since they believe Christ is their savior and amongst them who call themselves Catholics have numerous idols, crosses and icons of their saints.( which amounts to carrying idols around)
Anyway leaving that aside , let me show you what Islam teaches
Qur'an 2:255 ** Allah! there is no Allah but He ** the living the Self-subsisting Eternal. No slumber can seize him nor sleep. His are all things in the heavens and on earth. ** Who is there can intercede in His presence except as He permitteth? ** He knoweth what (appeareth to his creatures as) before or after or behind them. Nor shall they compass aught of his knowledge except as He willeth. ** His throne doth extend over the heavens and the earth and He feeleth no fatigue in guarding and preserving them. For He is the Most High the Supreme (in glory). **
Ibrahim says; hence if you had noted both your points are also clearly conveyed in the above verse found in the Qur’an too with much more clarity since we now know that the Creator does not sleep or tire . whereas the Bible conveys that He rested on the seven day.
Genesis 2: 2. By the seventh day God had finished the work he had been doing; so on the seventh day he rested from all his work.
- And God blessed the seventh day and made it holy, ** because on it he rested from all the work of creating that he had done.**
Which brings the Creator down the level of man, lets pass this by for now.
So now the question is who is Allah? And who is God? The best way I can answer you is to refer you to the Christian Bible in the Arabic tongue…let me give you the transliteration for some verses from the Arabic Bible.
Exhibit No 1:
[Genesis 1:1 - English Bible - King James Version]
"In the beginning ** God created the Heaven and the Earth** . . . "
[Genesis 1:1 - Arabic transliteration - Arabic Bible]
"Fee al-badi' khalaqa ** Allahu as-Samaawaat wa al-Ard ** . . . "
Exhibit no 2:
[John 3:16 - English Bible - King James Version]
"For ** God** so loved the world, that He gave . . . "
[John 3:16 - Arabic transliteration - Arabic Bible]
"Li-annhu haakadha ahabba ** Allahu** al-'Aalama hataa badhala . . . "
Exhibit No 3:
[Luke 3:38 - English Bible - New King James Version]
" . . . the son of Enos, the son of Seth, the son of Adam, the son of ** God."**
[Luke 3:38 - Arabic transliteration - Arabic Bible]
" . . . bini Anoosha, bini Sheeti, bini Aaadama, abni** Allahi."**
Ibrahim says; hence Arabic Christians worship “Allah” and believe they are worshipping God in the English context
How about you who do you worship when even according to the verse you quoted …let me give you the Hebrew transliteration , there is no such word called “God” mentioned therein.
Isaiah 45:21 hagiyduu whagiyshuu 'ap yiuuaaatsuu yaxdaaw miy hishmiya zo't miqedem mee'aaz higiydaah halow' 'aniy ** Yahweh ** w'eeyn-owd ** 'Elohiym ** mibalaaday ** 'Eel ** -tsadiyq uumowshiy`a 'ayin zuulaatiy.
English : 21. Declare what is to be, present it-- let them take counsel together. Who foretold this long ago, who declared it from the distant past? Was it not I, the ** LORD ** ? And there is no ** God ** apart from me, a righteous ** God ** and a Savior; there is none but me.
Isaiah 45:22 pnuu-'eelay whiwaashuu kaal-'apceey-'aarets kiy 'aniy-** 'Eel ** w'eeynowd.
- "Turn to me and be saved, all you ends of the earth; for I am ** God, ** and there is no other.
Hence I leave it to you to decide , as per above verse you quoted
Yahweh means Lord
Elohiym means God
Eel means God
It is known that the word “Elah” pronounced as Alah (as the letter “E” is pronounced as “A” in Hebrew) and Elohiym was written 2500 times in the Old testament ** but today they have all been changed to God in the bible that you have put your faith in. **
Do you know what the bible says about those who change the words in scriptures?
Proverbs 30: 5. ** "Every word of God is flawless;** he is a shield to those who take refuge in him.
Proverbs 30:5 ( Hebrew) kaal-'imrat ** 'Elowha ** tsruupaah maageen huu' laxociym bow.
- Do not add to his words, or ** he will rebuke you and prove you a liar. **
Ibrahim says: since the Jews and Christian altered the flawless words according to their desires, the Creator abrogated the earlier scripture ( just like He had abrogated earlier scriptures given to the Prophet Ibrahim (Abraham) pbuh] followers due to their messing around with those flawless words and revealed the intact scripture once again in the Arabic tongue for mankind to follow .
That is the essence of Islamic understanding
The choice is yours , do the research for yourself .