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LMAO. Thanks for the good laugh.
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Abay no one is going to do anything to China, no one wants to commit economic suicide, least of all USA. All this is showmanship.
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^^Yes, sadly.
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^^
And thankfully.
Interesting article on the “crackdown”.
http://www.universityregister.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=391&Itemid=30
Tibetans were the main initiators of last month’s violence, and by most reliable accounts, their violence claimed far more casualties than the Chinese response to it.
In fact, James Miles of The Economist—who was the sole Western journalist in Lhasa when the unrest broke out—reported seeing numerous acts of brutality carried out by Tibetans against Han Chinese and Muslim Hui. Most of these attacks were carried out against non-Tibetan civilians, and in one instance, Miles also reports that he witnessed the stoning of a young Han Chinese boy who was simply biking past rioters. Other eyewitnesses claim to have seen elderly Han Chinese being beaten and stoned by a crowd of Tibetans. The one criticism that Miles did launch against the PRC was that they had not responded quickly enough to the violence, as most of the Lhasa policemen had melted away when the situation first became intense. When the police did return in force, Miles remembers that they did not do so in an overly violent manner but simply set up positions throughout the city. And Miles would know violent suppression if he saw it; he was at Tiananmen Square in 1989 when the PLA massacred pro-democracy protesters there. Indeed, because of the Olympics, Chinese police have taken extra precautions to ensure the safety of the rioters they confront; this surely would not be a good time for revelations of police brutality.
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Will the US forces in Iraq be held to the same standard Stircrasy? Or Indian troops in Kashmir? Or EU forces in Serbia?
let me do a CM on you CM...
can you prove that US or India want to hold Olympics and shot down Bhuddhist monks? remember, the proof has to be written online in Bhuddha's own handwriting and must have drill-down capability
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^ you're funny
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Ah but there is the rub. The situation is 3 times as bad in Iraq as it is in Darfur, Sudan. The US government as killed innocent men, women and children. It has tortured innocent men. It has committed War Crimes in Iraq, by the standard of the Geneva Conventions (Which Bush has deemed irrelevant) and by the standard of the ICC.
If you are going to denounce the Chinese regarding Tibet, the actions of the US in Iraq should be equally denounced.
I agree with this in most parts.
Whether one agrees with the rationale for the US invasion of Iraq (I do) or not, this has to be the worst planned and executed war ever in modern times (almost as dumb as the Kargil misadventure but that's a different topic). What started of as a noble goal, quickly became something that has lost America's credibility and moral supremacy acquired over a century.
The worst impact of this failure is yet to be seen. Because we failed in Iraq, we no longer have the credibility, resources or appetite to go after more dangerous enemies of the civilized world. We are having to crawl to China to contain N.Korea, cajole Russia to even engage Iran.
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So what of the cause? The fact remains that the only power in Tibet actively defending the Muslim community from attack (for whatever reason) is the Communist Party and it agents.
Therefore, because the best interests of our Brothers and Sisters there should be dearer to us than the interest of anyone else in Tibet, we should offer our moral support to whoever defends them - including Communists, for now.
Oh the great umma speaking.
U have no problem with a hord of chinese getting into tibet to completely turn the demographic balance. U think its alright to completely turn a budhist culture into a chinese communist utopia.
Did any outside power instigate the violence in Tibet. Was their any sophisticated weapons used. It was natural spent up anger building up among the ethenic Tibetans that finally boiled out.
It was a police case but not for the army to have got involved in.
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U think its alright to completely turn a budhist culture into a chinese communist utopia.
hard line muslims will see that as a good thing!
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Its because it is China. They need the next evil empire after the Soviet Union. Thus you have China. Its amazing that people protest so much over Tibet, while places that are much worse off like Chechnya, East Timor, Palestine, Liberia, DRC are completely ignored.
Olympics are not happening there
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It was natural spent up anger building up among the ethenic Tibetans that finally boiled out. It was a police case but not for the army to have got involved in.
Replace china with india and kashmir with tibet. Whatever rationale you come up with - change the words again and read it to yourself.
Bush's stupidity single handedly killed and displalced more innocent civilians than the entire population of Tibet. At the end of the day isnt all of this about human rights?
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When the tibetans went on a rant in Lhasa was it against the Chinese? Yes! Therefore , just because it also happened to be a mosque which got burned down along with other buildings it was a rant against China and Chinese. Religion of building is irrelevant .
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So what of the cause? The fact remains that the only power in Tibet actively defending the Muslim community from attack (for whatever reason) is the Communist Party and it agents.
Therefore, because the best interests of our Brothers and Sisters there should be dearer to us than the interest of anyone else in Tibet, we should offer our moral support to whoever defends them - including Communists, for now.
Ah that's the problem , the great problem . One should always come to the aid of the victim, the person needing help and not the religion a person is. What interests of our brothers and sisters??? dearer to us ??? I do not think so.
If it was a chinese muslim burning a chinese buddist temple I would be on the side of the person who had the collateral damage and aid them in time of need. I as a muslim see the person firstly, their religion is irrelevant to me unless it encroaches upon my freedoms and welfare of existence by way of zealous and extremist attitudes and actions.
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Pakistan should ONLY support Tibetan cause if they choose to embrace Islam and give up Buddhism.
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Pakistan should ONLY support Tibetan cause if they choose to embrace Islam and give up Buddhism.
SHOOO!!!!! Go away!
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Pakistan should ONLY support Tibetan cause if they choose to embrace Islam and give up Buddhism.
Tibet should only accept Pakistan support if Pakistan choose to embrace Bhuddhism and give up Islam
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Tibet should only accept Pakistan support if Pakistan choose to embrace Bhuddhism and give up Islam
LOL...
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So just because the Chinese have Olympics, that means Tibetian blood is far more valuable and news worthy than those dying in the other countries? Wow. You all are pretty sick people.
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Replace china with india and kashmir with tibet. Whatever rationale you come up with - change the words again and read it to yourself.
Bush's stupidity single handedly killed and displalced more innocent civilians than the entire population of Tibet. At the end of the day isnt all of this about human rights?
Is their a dalia lama for kashmiris, are kashmiris fighting peacefully. From its inception, Kashmir struggle has been bloody with active armed support from Pakistan. U have bunch of muslim jehadies fighting an armed stuggle against what they say is a an attack against all of Islam.
Besides there is no mainland Indians going there to reverse the demographic balance.
Tibetan is not a budhist(religious) cause. Its an ethenic cause.
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Chinese oppression of Muslims
eastturkestan.com/