Not every thing is man's fault.
mA a person would beautiful family life should know better.
And sara: truth get lost in emotion, feminism in life1 pretty fast.
Who ever life you are talking about is his problem not PCG & associates's.(sorry PCG But I know you have big heart)
Women facilitate other women destroying there homes and making their hubbies life hell.
Not that they want to, its just thats how they see the things.
Like I said if the guys in have been normal all that other times and he says some thing so obnoxiously, before he gets send to women-made hell, his women need to know what caused it.
Mostly guys are not PIGs, They don't want to hurt their wives.
ps: Munza plz don't apologize. I am not that big of an idiot. plz say what you have to say,
No, I prefer to apologize because I come from a family of mostly sons/boys and have seen the other side of the coin. I have seen manipulative women and men that went far beyond their obligation to "make it better".
But this does not mean that all men are angels. In fact, the men in my life are mostly exceptions to the rule; they do not fly off the handle and issue threats and/or ultimatums at the drop of a hat.
What it does mean is that the norm is probably the kind of man that will use whatever is at his disposal to "bring the woman in line." And if this means threatening her with the "d word" then so be it.
I don't think that most men are pigs and I certainly don't believe that they want to hurt their wives. But I also don't believe that most men define "hurt" in the same way as most women do.
I am not suggesting that you are an idiot Kimble, not in the least. By the same token neither am I. It is obviously understood that no reasonable, self-respecting man would opt for divorce without being at the end of his rope. The question, I believe, is how long is the rope?
You know if I try to go deeper, I have to step in a very uncomfortabe territory. Which I don't want to. Its going to be some thing about the kids born raised in west. So I wont say any thing about it.
Now the things is with out knowing the person and his past no one can/should verdict of him being a low-level.
Now a question for you: you are send to rescue a man standing in the window trying to commit suicide. How do you see it?
a) let him die? not worth living?
Or you see what caused it and make sure that don't happen again?
How could some one tell a person from reading an angry wife's 2 lines long post??
Really munza if you are smart, which I believe you are, don't take discussions lightly, by that I mean try not to use token words like "short skirts" "inviting rape"
Cuz I can easily relate women's nagging/constant-torture to slow poising too.
Then again there are 2 approach to every issue involving women, PCG approach(sorry PCG I like you so much) OR an open eye approach.
Choice is your to make.
Woman or NO woman, WE still are human. Not all issues need to be looked at trough women-empowering ideologies.
so what do u say about men who will slap their wives when a situatoin escalates to the point of getting physical?
everyone will say, u dont ever hit a woman but it happens....and often times those men will never lay a hand on their wife but sometimes the situation got so bad that it happened...
threats, words, etc, can be just as bad as physical violence.
Never in a million years would I defend men, but honestly, I am gonna go out on a limb to say I agree with this.
Having seen what my dad is now going through with my mom, now that they are older…she WILL do things to peeve him off, and his comments are that she has been making sly comments about his family ever since the day after their marriage, and it has not stopped despite nearly an annual fight on this topic. She knows it angers him. She still does not watch her tongue. It’s now gotten so bad, that if she says something without evening meaning any harm to his family, he misconstrues what she’s saying and thinks she’s inlaw bashing again. Which is where I had to intervene and get him to understand that this was not her purpose. So she has been making some attempts now that her family is in town ( and Dad says she’s just doing it so she doesn’t seem like the bad guy in her siblings’ eyes), to be nice about her inlaws. But yeah, its all about how long that rope is - she’s been beating at it consistently over 2 decades and its really wearing him out. He’s getting old. He lives in another country from his mom and his siblings. His mom is really old and sick. And he feels very guilty about not being with her, but he’s chosen his wife and kids over his mom in that he lives with us and not her, even though she is sick. He has a job here, we are his responsibility still, and so he tends to his responsibility here. Now you have your wife who is knocking you down in this process…I mean, what are you gonna do after so many years of hearing insults about your family? You know they may be imperfect, but jesus, they’re not evil.
Best part is, both mom and dad’s relatives in Pakistan get along great and are the best of friends. They have no clue about the fights these two have here regarding their relatives.
Whatever, at the end of the day, yeah women can be nags. Women can just annoy the hell out of a man to the point where he does say something absolutely stupid and irrational. The other way is true too, and we’ve seen numerous stories here of inept husbands.
Marriage is no joke, folks. Speaking from the perspective of a kid who grew up seeing her parents have horrible fights, you do NOT want to put your kid through that nightmare. If you get married, make the right choice, marry someone you actually care about as a HUMAN BEING (Not, I want to get in her pants, or she is fair and lovely even though its the cream and not her skin), so that you can raise a healthy family (bodily and emotionally).
I can’t tell you how scarred I am seeing my parents fight. I mean, they are the GOLDEN couple - theirs was a love marriage, and they are old and still in love and it is very cute. But like any couple, they have their hot button points which lead to arguments, and this typical desi let-me-insult-my-inlaws or let-me-shove-my-wife-around-even-though-i-dont-want-anyone-treating-my-daughters-this-way attitudes will break a family apart in minutes.
I can’t tell you how stressful it is to be the rescue person who intervenes every time there is a row at home. Both of them are getting old, and they tend to fight and bicker more anyway.
So, make the right choice, and don’t marry for the wrong reasons. You will regret it. :k:
so what do u say about men who will slap their wives when a situatoin escalates to the point of getting physical?
everyone will say, u dont ever hit a woman but it happens....and often times those men will never lay a hand on their wife but sometimes the situation got so bad that it happened...
threats, words, etc, can be just as bad as physical violence.
Sara wife should know the husband better then any one else.
If person has not been abusive for years and he is not likely to abuse any one.
Yet he is being harsh on wife, then off course there is some thing, some one need to look at.
Now if wife is incapable of handling this she should get help from family or from councilor.
BUT not with the attitude to teach him lesson, but with an open heart. Wife might have to listen
"its your XYZ actions ,which btw are not reasonable, are triggering it"
I mean support group is important but wife should not let them dictate her course of action.
Its her own life. No one knows her hubby better,
so what do u say about men who will slap their wives when a situatoin escalates to the point of getting physical?
everyone will say, u dont ever hit a woman but it happens....and often times those men will never lay a hand on their wife but sometimes the situation got so bad that it happened...
threats, words, etc, can be just as bad as physical violence.
Likely he will justify the slap by saying that something the woman did must have driven the man to hitting her......
Sara wife should know the husband better then any one else.
If person has not been abusive for years and he is not likely to abuse any one.
Yet he is being harsh on wife, then off course there is some thing, some one need to look at.
Now if wife is incapable of handling this she should get help from family or from councilor.
BUT not with the attitude to teach him lesson, but with an open heart. Wife might have to listen
"its your XYZ actions ,which btw are not reasonable, are triggering it"
I mean support group is important but wife should not let them dictate her course of action.
Its her own life. No one knows her hubby better,
Sara wife should know the husband better then any one else.
If person has not been abusive for years and he is not likely to abuse any one.
Yet he is being harsh on wife, then off course there is some thing, some one need to look at.
Now if wife is incapable of handling this she should get help from family or from councilor.
BUT not with the attitude to teach him lesson, but with an open heart. Wife might have to listen
"its your XYZ actions ,which btw are not reasonable, are triggering it"
I mean support group is important but wife should not let them dictate her course of action.
Its her own life. No one knows her hubby better,
Not true. Men who abuse physically and emotionally tend to be mr. wonderful to everyone else. They are the ones you least suspect are doing wrong things at home.
Not true. Men who abuse physically and emotionally tend to be mr. wonderful to everyone else. They are the ones you least suspect are doing wrong things at home.
some one shoot me in the head!!
PCG you are not breaking a news, that's how most abusive/psychopaths are.
Then again, A WOMAN can drive a normal man nuts.
U girls do it day and in night in life1, imagine if a person got to be with one of you round the clock.
I am not saying we should put a girl in danger just test a guy's behaviour.
But again it could be very much women driving him there.
and don't try to over smart me, We were NOT talking about physical abuse!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
and Dad says she’s just doing it so she doesn’t seem like the bad guy in her siblings’ eyes), to be nice about her inlaws. But yeah, its all about how long that rope is - she’s been beating at it consistently over 2 decades and its really wearing him out. He’s getting old. He lives in another country from his mom and his siblings. His mom is really old and sick. And he feels very guilty about not being with her, but he’s chosen his wife and kids over his mom in that he lives with us and not her, even though she is sick. He has a job here, we are his responsibility still, and so he tends to his responsibility here. Now you have your wife who is knocking you down in this process…I mean, what are you gonna do after so many years of hearing insults about your family? You know they may be imperfect, but jesus, they’re not evil.