Thousands-strong mob attacks police station, burns man to death for alleged blasphemy

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Thats debatable.

Never knew you were a marxist Med911. Fair play all the same. I was asked to transport some SWP and Internationale types a while back. I used to think these Leftist Hippy Types were crazies but they are not bad folk to be honest. :k:

However when you say things like this…

It doesn’t really help things. All life has to be respected and one must see that everyone here is the victim of the few who opress the masses.

As for Religion and Spirituality the former is for those who fear hell and the latter for those who have been through it.

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How else could the police, at that moment in time, have stopped this man from being killed, given that tear gas had not worked?

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^ It shows the lack of resources and security in Pakistan.

A well equiped station can simply barricade itself. Shut the main doors, isolate the inmates in the furthest rooms and seal off main corridors with concentric doors. Defences can be further enhanced with better outer walls with parapets and firesteps from which non lethal ammunition such as rubber baton rounds can be fired in volley fashion.

Barbed wire and pillar defences as well can help break up charging crowds, and force them to check any advance.

As a last resort and only as a last resort fixing bayonets and preparing to fire would be the last ditch line of defence. However by that time contact can be established with outside forces to send reinforcements.

Fact is a determined ressistance could probably have held out... the Police chose not to put up a determined fight of things. That shows the level of apathy in our nation right now.

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Im not a Marxist, but even a broken clock is right twice right? So he was spot on with that one.

I do consider myself a Liberal however.

How do you think a country with a proper police system would react to mob trying to lynch someone? Live fire is justified at some point. When non lethal measures are not working or are unavailable, its still incumbent on the police and all state functionaries to defend the accused and prevent the mob. Lethal force is justified in certain circumstances, even Islam teaches us that there certain situations where one must defend oneself or others, force of arms is permissible.

Life has to be respected and protected, but there is a point where you have to weigh your values against each other. In this case, do we allow this mob to murder this man in cold blood? Do we let these people trounce on the authority of the state and the constitution? Can we prevent this mob from meeting is murderous agenda without the use of lethal force? Should we use lethal force to prevent a greater tragedy?

Lethal force is the very last resort, but if these mindless dogs are not going to listen to reason, and they are adamant about reaching their goal, then Lethal force is more then justified, its required.

Feeling empathy for these poor lost souls didn’t save the poor man from being burnt alive, and nor will it prevent the next tragedy. These people are adults and are responsible for their actions.

“As for Religion and Spirituality the former is for those who fear hell and the latter for those who have been through it.”
^Good one. beautiful. Would make a great Signature. Mind if I use it? :slight_smile:

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Wow....profound....indeed. Thanks

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Lack of capacity to defend the accused is a separate issue. But if the police find that there is no way to defend the accused without resorting to live fire, then so be it.

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Also, would like to add..follow a religion that focuses more on spirituality, rather than material lives - for material lives, common sense, constitution etc can help.

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BBC News - Pakistan mob burns man to death for ‘blasphemy’

Pakistan mob burns man to death for 'blasphemy’By Shahzeb Jillani

BBC World Service South Asia Editor

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A Pakistani mob has taken a man accused of blasphemy from a police station and burnt him to death, police say.

The man was being held for allegedly burning a copy of the Koran in public. The incident took place on the outskirts of Bahawalpur, in Punjab province.

Witnesses said hundreds of people looked on as he screamed for help.

Pakistan’s controversial blasphemy law imposes the death penalty for insulting Islam, but it is rarely carried out.

The area where the lynching took place is home to hundreds of madrassas - religious schools - run by radical Islamist or sectarian groups.

Police said they detained the man after locals complained that he had desecrated the Koran.

But before the allegation could be investigated, thousands of angry people surrounded the police station, police said.

“They were demanding that we kill him in front of them, or they’ll take him away and kill him themselves,” police inspector Ghulam Mohiuddin told the BBC.

‘Hysterical’

After officers unsuccessfully tried to calm the crowd, it attacked the station, as police tried to disperse it with tear gas. Several policemen were wounded in the violence.

The mob put up roadblocks to prevent police reinforcements from reaching the area, officers said.

“We were totally outnumbered. There were too many of them and they were hysterical. Eventually, they succeeded in taking him away,” said one.

The man was reportedly beaten and dragged to the spot where he is said to have desecrated the Koran.

The mob then poured petrol on him and set him on fire, according to witnesses.

Police say they are trying to identify the victim, who was said to be mentally unstable.

“The man had no idea what was going on,” said an official.

“While he was in our custody, he kept laughing and chanting.”

A case has been registered against unknown attackers. No arrests have been made yet.

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Are you kidding? They should have killed all of them with a machine gun. These kind of people do not deserve to be alive.

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Shamraz!

Stop promoting killing people at large number and cause massacre. This is your personal comment.

If you cherish life then act and behave like the one who does.

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So how would you deal with hysterical fanatics hell bent on murder? Is there ever a situation where lethal force is justified? In civilized society each and everyone of those rabid dogs would have shot. The police are not only justified in killing these people if need be, they are required to do so after all other means have been exhausted.

Cherishing life is one thing. Pur ek HUD hotha hai. No one is promoting mass murder,we are saying that in such a situation, lethal force is justified

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Give me an example of any ‘civilized society’ where according to your assertion ‘these rabid dogs’ or similar to that have been killed by a machine gun indiscriminately and being in a crowd. I dare you.

:khumar:

Ever heard of rubber bullets? Go read something about humanity before arguing matti ke sher!

P.S. The post was towards absolutely ludicrous post of Shamraz. You took the stand, now answer the question dude! Your turn and the original post to Shamras stays as it is.

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I'm not promoting killings, but there are some people who don't deserve to live...like the people who killed this mentally ill man. Its also matter of rule of law that you failed to see. Polices jobs was to protect this man from the mob no matter what. It was their official duty & if that meant killing these rabid mullahs so be it.

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Disgusting reality of Pakistan where mullah mobs are engaged in brutal killings. It can happen to anyone and I am witness to some of these mob killing sprees. If state does not punish these murderers we will go deeper into this stone age.

Shame on people who are defending these murderers..

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Spare me the self righteous bull. Try to digest the point before blindly supporting a bunch of animals like these. Police in ALL civilized countries are authorized to use lethal force if necessary. That means they have exhausted all other means including your rubber bullets.
I stated very clearly that lethal force is a last resort, but something that is justified of all other means fail. If lethal force means using live fire against a mob, then that is what is requird. It’s not indiscriminant if your firing at mob that is actully attacking u. These aren’t by standers, these are people attacking and trying to burn the place down!

Thanks for your lesson in “humanity,” you seem to have that act down. Now go practice some basic reading comprehension and then we can talk.

There is nothing ludicrous about his post. Once this mob was out of control, they should have used whatever they had to keep the at bay. I should think that being able to storm a police station, warrants a lethal response from police. Remember we are t advocating shooting innocent people. These are active members of a violent mob that are out of control and nothing has worked to subdue them. At that point machine gun them if that’s what it takes, but they cannot be allowed to murder the man at any cost.

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Well when it comes to shooting down mobs or any large boddy of enemies... I am not aware of any frontline police forces that use high calibre full auto belt fed machine guns.

Most assault rifles only have a 30 round capacity a determined mob wont be stopped by 5.56 or even the bigger soviet 7.62mm ammunition. The Police force would literally be ripped to shreds after the opening salvos unless they had the dicipline to hold lines and organise correct fire routines.

You would be suprised how innefective modern firearms can be when shot into crowds especially by smaller numbers of security forces. Many cases of Isreali troops forced to retreat by Palestinain stone throwing mobs. In Brazil as well angry mobs wielding machetes hacked the primary police lines in 1999 Sao Paolo riots... it took reinforcements with tanks to push them back.

Unless the police had heavy riot shotguns or dangerous game calibre repeating rifles and entrenched positions the outcome still favours the mob especially if the mob is more determined.

I do support security forces having more powers sometimes but the fact is in this case the security forces just did not put up the proper defence. Surely simply barricading themselves is the best defence against a crowd and shooting from loopholes and windows. Most buildings have first aid and firefighting equipment from basic extinguishers to hoses... preventing them being smoked out as well.

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Agreed

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I understand your point about these guys being brainwashed and frustrated. But in heat of the moment, why they are behaving like animals is irrelevant, its that they are behaving this way that is the issue and how to deal with it.

This poor man, who was apparently mentally unstable was BURNT alive! I make it no secret that I wish they had used a machine gun on them.

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Any heard of high power water cannons or sonic boom machines?

I was subjected to the boom boxes and trust me they have a far more immediate effect on crowds than bullets. When a platoon shoots a volley the bullets will probably stop the first rank and maybe the second and third waves... but attackers who are determined or crazed will continue to charge over thier comrades and some might even flow around the sides and outflank the platoon who are firing... most police and army units have to shoot while moving backwards in such cases... a manouver that requires extreme dicipline.

The Sonic machines create ultra powerfull soundwaves that can literally make a man sick within a thousad yard range... that has a far more profound effect on protesters and is not lethal as well as watercannon that have a proven track record of stopping violence in Europe from Football hooligans to the London riots.

Pakistan I believe lacks an efficient riot police, I remember they just use para millitary forces and barbed wire, great against static enemy troops like Indians but no good against mobile mobs.