Thomas Jefferson learned from Quran in 1 year that Pak Mullah couldn’t learn in 60
Thomas Jefferson was an ardent student of Quran and other Divine Books. Back in 1776 he was certainly referring to Allah’s words in the opening of the Declaration of Independence that states as follows:
**We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness.
**This was to be the base of Pakistani constitution as well. Unfortunately we went astray and started treating men as not equal based on the type of their mosque, their church, their temple, their gurudawara, and their synagogue.
The result has been horrible bloodshed of anyone who differed from the Mullah. These swines killed Pakistani-Ahmadis, Pakistani-Shias, and Pakistani-Christians merely based on their faith.
Unfortunately the educated elite of Pakistan have gone blind when it comes to Mullah’s atrocities. Pakistani educated elite were to support equal rights for all men in 1976, and they failed simply because they failed to learn from Quran as Thomas Jefferson had already presented 200 years ago in 1776.
Sad indeed!
p.s. Thomas Jefferson read Quran? You betcha! The same copy of Quran was used in the recent oath taking ceremony by Congressman Ellison.
Re: Thomas Jefferson learned from Quran in 1 year that Pak Mullah couldn't learn in 6
You continue to criticise "mullahs", yes they have faults but what "all men are equal" did the "enlightened moderates" or "civilized seculars" learn from anywhere in the world? The society is divided in many categories i.e. ruling class, power class, awaam, VIPs etc, does it all show that "men are equal", your continuous cries are becoming boring now.
Re: Thomas Jefferson learned from Quran in 1 year that Pak Mullah couldn't learn in 6
Thomas Jefferson learned from Quran in 1 year that Pak Mullah couldn't learn in 60
Thomas Jefferson was an ardent student of Quran and other Divine Books. Back in 1776 he was certainly referring to Allah's words in the opening of the Declaration of Independence that states as follows:
We hold these truths to be self-evident, "that all men are created equal", that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness.
Sad indeed!
What is even more sad is the President George Bush and the whole of US Congress passed laws that ignore that statement completely for Al Qaida and Taliban by labelling them enemy combatants and keeping them of US soil.
In other words they are telling the rest of the world that God only created USA and constitution applies to US citizens only.........:)
Re: Thomas Jefferson learned from Quran in 1 year that Pak Mullah couldn't learn in 6
Firstly, the whole world belongs to Allah, so yes in a way.
Secondly, Thomas Jefferson, the slave trading barbarian, ordered the invasion of the Barbary States in 1801, a group of Muslim states.
Yes he was a slave trader, a terrorist in the eyes of the brits but freedom fighter for yanks. Yes there was Islam in ameerica there is historical evidence that some natives converted to islam and the numbers are so small that they are insignificant. There is conflicting stories about Barbary states.
Re: Thomas Jefferson learned from Quran in 1 year that Pak Mullah couldn't learn in 6
.....Thomas Jefferson, ...., ordered the invasion of the Barbary States in 1801, a group of Muslim states.
If a group of states (Muslim or not) is involved in piracy and terrorism, then the world has to take some action.
In fact a Muslim name makes it even more important that the person is Saadiq and Ameen (the two top aadaat of our Messenger pbuh).
The "Barbari Muslims states" of 18th and 19th century used to rob and loot the civilians ships passing through Mediterranean sea. They used to make the sailors hostage and then demand ransom from the ship owners.
Is this the shining example of Muslim's behavior?
Thomas Jefferson is on the record when he negotiated with Tunisian Ambassador about the ransom money. Tunisian Ambassador was clearly pimping away the barbari pirates.
We can easily see how our Messenger would have dealt with looters and decoits. Off course our Messenger was trader by profession. Do you think he would have served Gahwa to the thieves trying to loot his caravans?
So blaming Thomas Jefferson for killing petty thieves and pirates is simply low even for someone with a pseudonym Abdullah.
Re: Thomas Jefferson learned from Quran in 1 year that Pak Mullah couldn't learn in 6
Thomas Jefferson thought of a black man as 3/5 of a human...his all men are created equal only applied to all white men....
and antiobl do you ever tire of defending imperialists?
Re: Thomas Jefferson learned from Quran in 1 year that Pak Mullah couldn't learn in 6
it is true though that many many great men I have read about have a common trait - they all have read and been inspired by the great tomes such as HQ, HB, Gita, Grant Tora etc and the classics. Whether it be Jefferson, Gandhi, Twain, Hemingway (that'd raise some eyebrows!), numerous leaders. It'd seem that if not for religious reasons, for sheer philosophical wisdom and platform.
Though I don't have the remotest hope of being in the same league of these greats, I did feel once how much practical sense this made, in a recent circumstance; recently our company went through some major major reviews and rethinking of what we do, how we do etc. A world class consulting group was hired at a great expense. For months they had a dozen mba's (why are half these guys Indians, a couple Isralites, 2 brits and a german - not one traditional american!! But that's a sep. Topic)roam around talking to everyone..well, just wasting a lot of time and paper.
But finally in the last stages a couple senior partner types showed up (both americans) and man they produced 8 bullet points that made it all worthwhile.
Interesting point is - if you see the points, you'd think they had customized the holy books for our company.
That's what and how precious wisdom is. The holy books contain mountains of wisdom. If only we'd look for it without getting ensnared by the rituals superstitions worship and excesses of religions.
Re: Thomas Jefferson learned from Quran in 1 year that Pak Mullah couldn't learn in 6
do you ever tire of defending imperialists?
What about Arab imperialism which existed in practice all the way until the Ottoman emprie and still exists in theory today with the ummah?
Re: Thomas Jefferson learned from Quran in 1 year that Pak Mullah couldn't learn in 6
Your white boy thomas Jefferson was a slave owner. He owned hundreds of black slaves, while he was saying "all men are created equal". For him only white men were created equal. Thomas Jefferson also had illegitimate children when he was raping his black female slaves.
Re: Thomas Jefferson learned from Quran in 1 year that Pak Mullah couldn't learn in 6
Your white boy thomas Jefferson was a slave owner. He owned hundreds of black slaves, while he was saying "all men are created equal". For him only white men were created equal. Thomas Jefferson also had illegitimate children when he was raping his black female slaves.
Down with white imperialism!!!!
just so you are aware:
he argued to abolish slavery and was made to compromise to get constitution passed
he did not arbitrarily have relations with his slave women - he had one an dthat too after his wife passed away
...atleast that is what I read. In both counts he seems ahead of his time in thinking
Re: Thomas Jefferson learned from Quran in 1 year that Pak Mullah couldn't learn in 6
And Muslims held slaves with divine approval. Pious Muslim figures throughout history took women as slaves. Your point?
The spread of Islam was no less imperialistic than the colonialization by the white man. Why the indignant distinction?
There is a HUGE difference between those who recognize slavery (be it Christ or anyone else), and make no pretense about equality...and those who preech equality but exclude a certain race of people. All men are equal...that statement with the existence of a race-based slavery implies that certain categories of humans were in fact not men.
Contrast that with earlier, non-racial forms of slavery (be it Greek, Roman, Japanese, European serfdome, or Muslim slavery), where race was not so much a factor.
To me, at least, the issue isn't so much slavery...but of a racial theory which holds a certain class of people as being sub-human.
