by keeping in mind the current situation of the world and particularly the muslim countries…i think Muslim countries should have a leader which should be powerful in defence, in economy etc…so they could raise thier voice to the international community with the help of that leader and help them in different situations and matters ..just like christians have a leader (America, we can say that )
and in my mind i think in Muslim countries, Pakistan should be that leader …cuz pakistan is the most powerful nation in defence among all Muslim countries ..and i think muslim countries should start investing in pakistan if they dont want to bcome the next target of america ..Pakistan is the last hope of muslim countires and particularly arab countries .
First of all I dont think there is anything called Islamic World and even if there is one, it is really stupid to think that they are United and they will accept one country as their Leader.
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First of all I dont think there is anything called Islamic World and even if there is one, it is really stupid to think that they are United and they will accept one country as their Leader.
Hypothetically - I will vote for Malaysia.
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Just because you are not part of it does not mean there is no Islamic world... There has been an Islamic world in the past, and there will be one alive always... Its just a matter of when we unite again...
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So u agree its not united, or there is no one muslim world (or muslim voice) at present. Isn't that what Asif said.
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The guy said there is no islamic world... As much as it pains you, there is a Muslim world... The real Muslims still care about each other and there sufferrings, even if there governments do not. Thats the basic idea behind a Muslim world. Muslims worldwide care about the opression in Palestine, Kashmir, Iraq by the hands of Israel, India and the US... Its just a matter of time when the Muslim world unites to battle these aggressors.
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*Originally posted by Asif_k: *Hypothetically - I will vote for Malaysia.
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Malaysia is my leading choice as well. It has one of the strongest economies in the Muslim world and is not dependent on a single, exhaustible, natural resource. It's also the leading nation in Islamic finance, having established Islamic financial institutions long before Arab countries and Pakistan did.
This, coupled with its industrial base, make it the best choice.
Not to mention the fact that Malaysian people are without doubt the nicest people that I have ever met.
What happened to Pakistan being “Islam Ka Qila”? At least one Muslim country is needed which should be strong enough to face the onslaught of West/Israel. Malaysia an advance/rich Muslim country, definitely not in a position to face West/Israel. Pakistan can become such lead country if democracy is established without adultery (mixing with military).
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mAd_ScIeNtIsT,
What happened to Pakistan being “Islam Ka Qila”? At least one Muslim country is needed which should be strong enough to face the onslaught of West/Israel. Malaysia an advance/rich Muslim country, definitely not in a position to face West/Israel. Pakistan can become such lead country if democracy is established without adultery (mixing with military).
FARID-The Visionary
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Pakistan will take far too long to reach Malaysia's economic position.
Plus Pakistan will always be considerably hampered by its militant and sectarians extremes, for decades to come, quite frankly.
Pakistan will take far too long to reach Malaysia's economic position.
Plus Pakistan will always be considerably hampered by its militant and sectarians extremes, for decades to come, quite frankly.
Malaysia is much more stable in this regard.
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Mad Scientist, have you ever been to Malaysia? The economic strength in Malaysia is due to the rich Chinese and Indian ethnicities, which are not Muslim. The Malay ethnicity, which is not entirely Muslim anywayz, is not the richest one there... The present circumstances are such that the choice of the leadership should not be based on economic strength... For instance, isnt Saudi so well off economically? Its the strength that counts... Does Malaysia have nukes and advanced missile technology?
Saudi Arabia isn't well off economically - look at the continuously rising tide of unemployment they have.
And you've confirmed the wisdom of Malaysia as leader, as clearly their minorities have such opportunities as to be able to rise to excellence.
The leading nation does not have to be militarily the most powerful, as it can rely on the military strength of the countries that back it (for instance, the technologically highly sophistacated Saudi Armed Forces, and the nuclear might of Pakistan and soon Iran). The leading nation must, however, be able to implement such policies as to lead to the economic strengthening of the Muslim world.
Economic power, more than anything else, leds to military power and thus political power.
If a nation with a strong military but historically poor economic policies, such as Pakistan, were to take on the mantle of leadership, there would be a severe risk that it would lead the rest of the Muslim world that way.
I'm optimistic about the economic path of the Musharraf / Jamali governments, but we have not had sufficient time yet to prove that they will lead to long-term economic growth.
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Saudi Arabia isn't well off economically - look at the continuously rising tide of unemployment they have.
And you've confirmed the wisdom of Malaysia as leader, as clearly their minorities have such opportunities as to be able to rise to excellence.
The leading nation does not have to be militarily the most powerful, as it can rely on the military strength of the countries that back it (for instance, the technologically highly sophistacated Saudi Armed Forces, and the nuclear might of Pakistan and soon Iran). The leading nation must, however, be able to implement such policies as to lead to the economic strengthening of the Muslim world.
Economic power, more than anything else, leds to military power and thus political power.
If a nation with a strong military but historically poor economic policies, such as Pakistan, were to take on the mantle of leadership, there would be a severe risk that it would lead the rest of the Muslim world that way.
I'm optimistic about the economic path of the Musharraf / Jamali governments, but we have not had sufficient time yet to prove that they will lead to long-term economic growth.
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Mad bhai... Then it all comes to one question...
Should the leadership be based on the military strength, or economic strength...
ok, i admit the economic strength of pakistan is not strong..but by seeing the current process of making the economy good.if this process keep on going like this then in a short time (not that short) then the economy of pakistan will be strong as malaysia ..and in the filed of defence pakistan is already strong ..but still have to improve it..
Should the leadership be based on the military strength, or economic strength...
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Economic strength of course! Economic strength can be used to build massive military strength, but military strength cannot be used to build economic strength.
The reason why Malaysia only has a relatively small armed forces is not because Malaysia cannot support a larger military force, but instead because Malaysia faces no external threats and thus does not require a large standing army/air force/navy.