It seems that BJP/ RSS knows how to win Madhya Pradesh after Gujrat…..what they recently said that Gurat experience would be repeated every where…..Let us expect more and more killings!
http://www.expressindia.com/fullstory.php?newsid=18382
Cow-slaughter rumour sets off rioting, arson in MP town
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Why havent these hundutva millitants and their leadership been arrested and charged under the POTO act.. they are inciting violence within India and support the elmination of minority religions. They were directly implicated in the massacre of over 2,000 Indians in Gujarat State yet the BJP centre is still allowing them to spread their fascist doctrine. 
ah! did you know crocodiles don't really cry, even though everyone talks about their tears?
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This does not cover up for your actions in Gujrat... Answer the question, why werent those responsible arrested?
Spock, your question is valid. But whom to arrest?
Everyone may say it is Modi, but law does not see him anywhere in the picture. On the contrary he was issuing fake appeals to stop the violence. ……And he won in this political game.
Now BJP/ RSS are sure that by repeating the same tricks, by exploiting Hindu sentiments
they may win in other states and a dirty game has started.
If they succeed, India will be seen next parallel to Islamic States. A real degradation!
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Spock, your question is valid. But whom to arrest?
Everyone may say it is Modi, but law does not see him anywhere in the picture. On the contrary he was issuing fake appeals to stop the violence. ……And he won in this political game.
Now BJP/ RSS are sure that by repeating the same tricks, by exploiting Hindu sentiments
they may win in other states and a dirty game has started.
If they succeed, India will be seen next parallel to Islamic States. A real degradation!
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They have already succeeded. Tell me, which Islamic state ordered the massacre of its muslim population? You indians never seem to amaze me with your pathetic analogies.
Like they say in Urdu:
"Pehle apna girebhaan jhanko, phir bakwas karo"
Almost spot on spock except it wouldn't make sense for an islamic state to massacre muslims, perhaphs our esteemed member who you are replying to would like to explain which islamic state massacred it's minority population in the way India did? If he has any justification for his analogy, let's see it now.
THERE IS absolutely no doubt that gujrat killings will be repeated
its like trusting a maneater that he wont attack humans
Dear Spock and Ahmed, you are in haste when you read my reply.
In fact there is no justification for Gujarat massacre. BJP/ RSS are sure of winning next thru more and more blood baths and the worst is that the other Indian secular and pseudo secular parties will also become hardened towards Muslims to ensure the vote bank.
What is degradation for India?
RSS wants India to look like any of Islamic State…, a theocratic State.....That is a real degradation.
If still it is not clear, I have no chance....
anand,
Islam guarantees the rights of the minorities. You cannot compare the RSS's ideas with an islamic country. There's nothing degrading in being like an islamic state. On the other hand, the RSS/BJP/VHP/BJ and the lot are oppressing minorities. So in that , I agree with you that they will take India towards a degradation.
Yes Dear Ahmed, RSS is a very dangerous phenomenon.
But on what grounds you have praise for Islamic States?
In (West) Pakistan minority population was 7 % in 1947. Now it is less than 1 %. What compelled people to leave this good State.
In many Islamic States (In Arab) minorities are not allowed to construct their worship places?
Pls name only three Islamic States where human rights are equal for all. (Even only for Muslim citizens, including women.)
India is the only country where majority population cannot build temple of its own choice. Re. Ram vs babri.
India is the only country where minority Muslim population takes equal part in riots, because this community has its protectors in politics, in police stations and in local mafias.
Can you just imagine minorities rioting in Pakistan, Saudi Arabia etc…?
Anand,
You ask for three? I could name many. But you are the one accusing mulsim states of not giving rights so the onus of proof , rests on you so please itshould be you giving examples, not me. After you put your case forward of course i will counter with my examples.
For example can you name any arab countries which don't allow minorities to build places of worship, for starters?
I don't know if your figure of 7% minority in west pakistan in '47 is correct or not but your figure of "less than 1%" is certainly wrong. For your information it is between 3-4%. And as for '47 i don't know accuracy of your figure but everyone knows that at the time of the division there was a migration from both sides to the other side. That was natural as division was on religios grounds, you can't use that to talk about rights of minorities 50 years later. We didn't massacre hindus like indians did muslims.
And don't even talk about Ram Mandar Vs. Babri, which country in the WORLD , muslims or otherwise destroys a major worshipping place of a faith to pur their own icons there. Anything comes to mind anand?? anything other than India? You should be ashamed to use that example.
I'll wait for you to provide proof of all your statements.
Dear Ahmed,
You have given a good answer.
I am sure that we were talking of an RSS India that may be very dangerous for all Indian setup.
But as usual we have entered a discussion of Islam vs non Islam. Hence, if you do not mind, pls correct my wrong information…….
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2001/10/16/210223.shtml
(You will assure me that given below is not as per Quran and Islam…)
· Egypt: The government discriminates against Christianity by financing the construction of mosques, while denying permits for the reconstruction of Christian sanctuaries, according to Marshall.
· Saudi-Arabia: In the last two months, 15 Christian expatriates have been jailed for worshiping in private homes, and three have been tortured, according to the religious rights organization International Christian Concern.
An information officer at the Saudi embassy in Washington, who declined to give his name, denied this Tuesday: “As far as we know this is not true. We are not aware of any in jail at this time,” he said.
No religion other than Islam is allowed in the kingdom, and there is no church. When asked about this, Abdullah M. Khouj, rector of the Islamic Center in Washington, replied, “This is a matter to be negotiated between governments.”
http://www.thecitizennews.com/main/archive-011012/opinion/op-01.html
Christian minorities in Islamic world often in danger
http://www.mnet.fr/aiindex/ssamad_Bangaldesh.html
State of Minorities in Bangladesh:
From Secular to Islamic Hegemony
http://www.sumka.org/articles/English/iri_hr_e.htm
Here you go for Iran
Let us counter check each others’ minority population % datas.
http://www.hindunet.org/alt_hindu/1995_Mar_2/msg00079.html
“The 1991 census revealed that the minorities - Hindus, Sikhs, Christians, Parsis and Ahmadiyas- who formed 23 % of the population of West Pakistan at the time of Partition have been reduced to around 3%. If this is not ethnic cleansing, what it is?”
(Pls check with yr state records)
Hindus were appr 7% left in (West) Pakistan after all upheaval of partition settled and today they are less than 1%.
I will be thankful if you give me correct information. Pls also read the whole web, is a good information of Pakistan society.
This is for your information that thousands of Hindu temples just vanished in Pakistan, were taken over by business premises or grabbed by land mafia.
Today this record you can find only in your municipality archives. Not in any books, or in any web site.
Hindu historians believe that Babar constructed that mosque after destroying a Hindu temple.
What Islam says about the disputed place of worship?
What is the status of a mosque if no namaz is being offered there for long? Why your polite religious people became so rigid about an abandoned mosque.
Pls sometime visit India, and go to Mathura, a mosque is existing just next to a Krishna temple and you will not need any historian to find some prove if that mosque was not built after destroying a temple.
Pls pay a visit to Qutub Minar at Delhi and you will find a lot of stones used in the construction with Hindu God icons on them.
To some unknown reason you have ignored following…..
India is the only country where minority Muslim population takes equal part in riots, because this community has its protectors in politics, in police stations and in local mafias.
Can you just imagine minorities rioting in Pakistan, Saudi Arabia etc…?
With best rgds
And let us return to the original topic,…RSS vandalism.
So according to Uncle Anand, the percentage of minority in Pakistan is less than 1%.... I am also waiting for the names of the Islamic states that have massacred their Muslim populations...
This is a fascinating discussion-kudos to all involved for finally bringing some real quality to gupshup forums. proper grown up debate, no swearing or dissing.
On the issue, Islamic states do seem to oppress non muslims-but this is the error of the state, not of Islam. There is no truly Islamic state in the world, even KSA and Taleban were cut and paste Islam in 1 and EXTREME right wing interpretations in the other. None can be called Islamic states.
A true Islamic state was ottoman turkey, not in 1900's as by then secularism was the flavour-not that I oppose that-but read up on the rights minorities had under a TRUE Islamic system as thru out most of Ottoman Empires existance.
Pls tell me that hindu population in Pakistan is more than 1%, correct my wrong information.
But (MO-BEST) pls do not tell me that so and so Islamic State is not Islam. When you people will get rid of hypocrisy……?
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This is a fascinating discussion-kudos to all involved for finally bringing some real quality to gupshup forums. proper grown up debate, no swearing or dissing.
On the issue, Islamic states do seem to oppress non muslims-but this is the error of the state, not of Islam. There is no truly Islamic state in the world, even KSA and Taleban were cut and paste Islam in 1 and EXTREME right wing interpretations in the other. None can be called Islamic states.
A true Islamic state was ottoman turkey, not in 1900's as by then secularism was the flavour-not that I oppose that-but read up on the rights minorities had under a TRUE Islamic system as thru out most of Ottoman Empires existance.
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Prince Charles draws picture of Islam:-
Islam nurtured and preserved the quest for learning. In the words of the tradition, 'the ink of the scholar is more sacred than the blood of the martyr'. Cordoba in the 10th century was by far the most civilised city of Europe. We know of lending libraries in Spain at the time King Alfred was making terrible blunders with the culinary arts in this country. It is said that the 400,000 volumes in its ruler's library amounted to more books than all the libraries of the rest of Europe put together. That was made possible because the Muslim world acquired from China the skill of making paper more than four hundred years before the rest of non-Muslim Europe. Many of the traits on which modern Europe prides itself came to it from Muslim Spain. Diplomacy, free trade, open borders, the techniques of academic research, of anthropology, etiquette, fashion, alternative medicine, hospitals, all came from this great city of cities. ** Mediaeval Islam was a religion of remarkable tolerance for its time, allowing Jews and Christians the right to practise their inherited beliefs, and setting an example which was not, unfortunately, copied for many centuries in the West. The surprise, ladies and gentlemen, is the extent to which Islam has been a part of Europe for so long, first in Spain, then in the Balkans, and the extent to which it has contributed so much towards the civilisation which we all too often think of, wrongly, as entirely Western. Islam is part of our past and present, in all fields of human endeavour. It has helped to create modern Europe. It is part of our own inheritance, not a thing apart. **
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Pls tell me that hindu population in Pakistan is more than 1%, correct my wrong information.
But (MO-BEST) pls do not tell me that so and so Islamic State is not Islam. When you people will get rid of hypocrisy……?
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Islamic states arent run in exactly the same way that Islam tells them to(no1s perfect)....what hypocrisy are you talking about?
How can a Hindu talk of intolerance whne they cannot even tolerate there own-low caste Hindus are struggling for rights in a Hindu state, and yet he has the nerve to question true Islam's tolerance.
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Pls tell me that hindu population in Pakistan is more than 1%, correct my wrong information.
But (MO-BEST) pls do not tell me that so and so Islamic State is not Islam. When you people will get rid of hypocrisy……?
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No need to lie, this is what you said...
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In (West) Pakistan minority population was 7 % in 1947. Now it is less than 1 %. What compelled people to leave this good State.
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Now you have conveniently covered up your lie by making it the Hindu population. There are alot of minorities in Pakistan apart from just hindus...