They used to be Indians! Strange twist in Pakistan's detractors

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It used to be so black and white. If you were born and bred on one side of the Indo-Pak border, you would pretty much support your own team. This was the “nationalist” attitude shown by every Mohammad and Raam.

Thanks to Arab Lackees, the lines have now pretty much blurred. Most of Pakistan’s detractors now are pretty much home grown, or “grown out of home” in the comfy West.

Pakistan sadly is no longer the objective of affection for “grown out of home” Pakistanis. Rather a bigger Islamic paradise has taken preference over the land of our ancestors.

And some who could fight off the Arab Jihadi propaganda, they now have become much more tribal. The end result is the same though. They all are aping the African tribals in the sad style of Hutus and Tutsis, Kenyans, Somalis, or worse! Afghanis.

When a country becomes secondary to such alliances, the fate of its people becomes questionable. Such tendencies result in heavy handed tactics by the state machinery, or worse a civil war ensues.

I wonder if anyone could bring back the good old days, when Indians were Indians and Pakistanis were …

loyal to their country and the Pak-nation.

May be its too late!

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Re: They used to be Indians! Strange twist in Pakistan's detractors

Arab Lackees aka Self Hating Pakistanis should speak to poor pakistanis working in these so called brotherly arab oil-doms. Our people are treated as slaves. So much for the muslim ummah that they tend to go on about. When was the last time you heeard an arab talk about the Kashmir problem. Nuff said.

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Dictatorships breed resentment and cause polorization... The more this dictator stays in power, the more people will be alienated and the more polarization there will be...

And FYI, we arent against Pakistan, people who are opposed to Mush, that being most of the country, are truely patriotic.... Supporting Pakistan doesnt mean you have to support this unelected and illegal president.

And consider yourself lucky there arent Sindhis and Baloch on this forum... With them, they went aginst Pakistan a long time ago, long before the time when everything was black and white.

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Loyalty to Pakistan is one thing blind personality worshipping is quite another. Differentiate between the two.

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You mean just like Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto. Thanks to him Bengalis felt alienated and ended up having their own homeland - Banglades. If it not had been for him, Sheikh Mujeeb would have been a Pakistani PM as elected by the people, rather beining alienated for being a Bengali.

President Mushaaraf has saved Pakistan after the debacle of previous governments. Never forget that. Pakistan was on the verge of bankruptcy in 1999, and was going to be wiped out by the USA.

sometimes people should ‘Allah ka shukar’, rather than spreading hate all the time.

God Bless Pakistan. God Bless President Musharaf for saving Pakistan. :jhanda:

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Well, you must not have read your history… We are talking about the Yahya Govt and years of alienation due to lack of democracy under Ayub rule…

You simplistic view of history is laughable. I dont buy it.

Mushraf has brought us to a state of colapse.. Everyone in the world knows its time for him to step down…

You can clutch your straws if you like, but no one takes you seriously anyways…

Stick to your one liners, they dont expose you to ridicule the way these long posts do:)

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Bro! Sorry to change the topic for a little bit. It is just that "You simplistic view of history is laughable. I dont buy it."

Bro! Mujib was a leader during Ayub and Yahya times. some times jailed but "Alive".

If Yahah Ayub combo meal was responsible for alienation of Bengali nation, then care to answer the following questions?

  1. Why did the "Alie-Nation Bengali Nation" turned Mujib in to a heap of minced meat?
  2. Why did they kill every man, woman, boy, girl, grand kids of Banga Buddhu?
  3. Why is there a military rule in BDesh as we speak?
  4. How come BDeshi income is one third of what they used to have in Ayub and Yahya times?

It must be Ayub and Yahya fault. It must be! Because Pak military is responsible for every darn problem in the region nay in the world!

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Bhai, your not making sense... We are talking about why Banladesh was created... West Pakistan did not do a good job of creating unity within the two units...
Lack of democracy and non representation led to alienation among the Bengalis who were infact, the majority...

The questions you pose, have no relevance to the issue at hand...

Point remains, that without democracy, a country like Pakistan, with so much diversity and competing centers of power, cant contiue with dictatorial rule under one man and one institution.

Habib Jalib
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Bro! As I said! feel free to blame every thing on Pakistan and Pakistani institutions. And never ever put the blame on Bengali nation.

Because that will not maintain the hoax and ruse to justify "self-flagellation".

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Sure, I will continue to tell the truth... You can continue with your circular logic, you ill informed posts, and your misplaced support of Mush at all cost...

As for Bengalis, no analyst of any worth agrees with you, and most think the ultimate problem lay with the lack of Democracy and the hegmonic practices of West Pakistan. If your not willing to read, thats not my problem.

And if Sadomasochism is your cup of tea, dont expect the rest of us to play along...

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Democracy of Bhutto and Zardari and Sharif? Stop making a joke of yourself. Please.

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Only democracy under a fascist leader who hides abroad and controls a party single handedly is to be endorsed!

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the problem with the pashtuns is that they allowed arab scum from the soviet era to marry into their families. call it the inferiority complex of the pashtuns when it comes to arabs, but we now have children bred with wahabi islam and pashtun pride. in iraq things turned out differently when the local sunnis kicked the wahabi element out once they tried to intermarry.
so we've got to rid ourselves of the saudi money financing the arab scum in the border areas and somehow deal with the unholy pashtun-arab progeny.

Cafe di Baithak - June
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I think the thread has gone in a very diff direction. the initial point was about expat pakistais kids being more of the pan islamism focus now rather than Pakistani.

It has little to dow ith democracy in pakistan or dictatorship, and it is simply not a recent phenomenon.

There are 2 basic issues, Part of it is natural, part is troubling

country of origin becomes less and less important as each generation passes, and much of the youth in teh west especially UK is now 3rd generation Brits. so they find less in common with Pakistan, are less interested in Pakistan and Pakistan India rivalry and see themselves as British muslims, one being their nationality othe rbeing their faith, being of asian background is a race affiliation, but in many cases not much more than that.

The second part is troubling, This pan islamism pseudo arab thing has been pushed rather successfull by groups like Hizb Ul Tahrir (aka hizb ul taqreeb) , Mohajiroun (mohaji-loons), and Ghuraba (ghubara ..full of hot air). usually preying on unstable, socially unfitting, lonely type kids.

The issue was present and growing in late 80s and early 90s. the influence of these groups had been building up over time, those who have observed these groups closely will know.

it was similar in Canada with ppl like Mr Zafar Bangash and his publication crescent, it funny to see how he has changed tune after 9/11. similarly other loud mouth groups that were emerging in US have since shut up.

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rebel, while i agree with you on whats happeneing on the international front, a closer look inside pakistan is equally troubling. take cricket for example, a sport that has binded us in the past. nowadays its pretty much absent in balochistan and dying out quickly in western regions of nwfp. what gives??
also more and more pathans now regard the durand line as a divinding entity with no regards for the pak-afghan border. most of them cant speak a word of arabic but say something against an arab and they'll be ready to kill you. the sooner this love fest ends, the better it will be for pakistan.

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I agree.
and to save future generations we may have to piss of members of teh current one who have some sort of fascination with the foriegn fighters ..arabs especially.

similar to NWFP and baluchsiatn as far as sports go, in the 90's you basically lost out an entire generation of players in Karachi, things were simply too bad, sports were no longer a priority.

but I do agree with u

Cafe di Baithak - June
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Well, this situation of Pakistani complex about Arab would stay as long as there is oil and petro-dollar is spent like water to brainwash Muslims. In UK (and I believe, in all western as well as poor Muslim countries, plus India) most mosques have Saudi petro-dollar in them and thus they have become propaganda mechines, so influence is understandable.

Situation is such that if Saudia would declare 15th of Shabaan as 1st of Ramadhan, many so-called Muslims would start fasting from that day.

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Why don't we promote other sports like soccer [makranis / balochis are best at it] and volleyball / soccer in NWFP?

Why do the feds only invest money in sports where Punjab is good? I wonder why haven't we won medals in olympic running contests when bhookay nangay africans have won there?

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These people will die, but the institutions built through sustained democracy will provide Pakistan with long term stability...

Mush will die some day, who or what will come after him if there is no institutions to sustain the country? Have you ever considered that?

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Cricket seems to be gaining a considerable following in Afghanistan these days...

And what makes you think Punjabis cant play volleyball or soccer? What is this the white men cant jump syndrome?!?