These liberals!

**there are many articles in the press in which liberals are criticizing govt’s decision to lift ban on death sentences and hanging these terrorists…i just fail to understand the logic. These criminals have been sentenced for years..and shd be hanged long time ago. Now that govt is finally doing something abt it, these liberals are surfacing from every corner demanding to stop these hangings …unless I am missing something. **

Are we any different from the terrorists? - Blogs - DAWN.COM

                                         **[Are we any different from the terrorists?](http://www.dawn.com/news/1152468/are-we-any-different-from-the-terrorists)**

         [Nazia Hanjrah](http://www.dawn.com/authors/3813/)
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           By demanding the spilling of more blood, we only replicate the actions of the terrorists.—Reuters/file




                           December 16, 1971 was a dark day in the history of  Pakistan; when the country broke into two and Bangladesh happened as a  result of being treated as a colony by the West Pakistan. 

That was one dark day, and on December 16, 2014, came another; the darkness intensified when little innocent children were confronted with the worst nightmare of their lives. The demons of death barged into their school and silenced many of them forever, while scarring the souls of many others for life.
The country was shocked. It still is. There is deep resentment and anger within the society at the sheer barbarity of the act. However, anger has a way of deluding our sight and dimming the line between right and wrong. It is exactly this that is happening to most of us; we are being lured by feelings of revenge and demand the public executions of all those who are on death penalty, irrespective of whether these will end the threat of militancy.
Take a look: A slippery slope
Article 14(5) of the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights states:
"Everyone convicted of a crime shall have the right to his conviction and sentence being reviewed by a higher tribunal according to law.”
Rushing convicts to death without allowing them to exhaust all appeals represents a breakdown of law and process. The substantive laws, no matter how just, cannot ensure justice. They are dependent on the procedural laws in order to be fully materialised in spirit. Where the procedure breaks down or is rather conveniently overlooked, all the substantive laws are reduced to mere carcasses.
The pictures of hanged persons are already going viral on web in violation of further international norms. The state must adhere to law and be reticent before carrying out draconian sentences – rather than appease a public demand for blood. If we demand blood in return for blood, then what is the difference between us and those demons that attacked our children’s school?
Also read: It wasn’t the final atrocity
If we are all on the same pedestal, then I have no doubt that this country is going to the dogs and will be caught up in a vicious cycle, which, with each swirl, will pull us deeper into this abyss. We are caught up in this cycle because of ineffective institutions and policies, not because demons landed on Pakistan from outer space.
The way forward from here is to realise that we are reaping what we have sown in the past and that we need to uproot the problem rather than exact revenge on individuals who are not even remotely connected to these groups.
One such individual is Shafqat Hussain, who has been convicted for involuntary manslaughter solely based on his confession, which he made after being tortured and burnt with cigarettes. He was 14 years old back then. After the lifting of the moratorium on death, his execution has been scheduled for December 23, 2014.
Ironically, Article 6(5) of the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (that we have ratified with reservations) states:
"Sentence of death shall not be imposed for crimes committed by persons below eighteen years of age.”
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Our constitution glorifies the fundamental rights of individuals. Article 10 talks about the right to a fair trial and how every individual shall be “entitled to a fair trial and due process.”
‘Due process’ – this is a concept unknown in the dictionary of the terrorists; they are the judge, jury and executioner. By demanding the spilling of more blood, we replicate the actions of the terrorists. We conveniently brush aside the principles of justice and equity. We overlook the fact that Pakistan has ratified 27 human rights conventions and that we cannot arbitrarily ignore our obligations in letter and spirit. We, as a nation, demand an immediate solution without recognising the fact that the menace took decades to become the monster that we confront today; therefore, it will take long-term reforms and policies to slowly uproot the terrorist elements in our society.
As a new lawyer, I envision that one way of putting back our country on the track of progress and prosperity is to strengthen our judicial system and ensure the due process of law amongst others. It is no secret that this would take years of struggle.
Amidst this background, the lifting off of the moratorium on death penalty should raise alarm bells rather than being embraced. In quick fix attempts, we are adopting regressive measures rather than going ahead like the rest of the world.
And who are we threatening with the death sentence? Those who believe embracing death after unleashing violence on innocent grants a direct ticket to heaven? Behind such a backdrop, who is the real loser? It is the society.
Look through: ‘End of moratorium to affect those convicted under anti-terror laws’](http://www.dawn.com/news/1151585)
When a society sanctions the way for human rights violations, it ends up becoming a breeding ground for more violence. When one innocent man ends up facing the brunt of death penalty because of the weak judicial system, the frustration levels within society rise and it serves the cause of terrorists, not ours.
Moreover, a 2014 report by the Justice Project Pakistan and Reprieve states that, “over 800 prisoners on death row in Pakistan were tried as ‘terrorists’, though in cases as much as 88 per cent, there was no link to anything that can reasonably be defined as ‘terrorism.’”
We do not want to make our country an orgy of blood. Let us channel our anger into something constructive, meaningful and long lasting. Let us not pass down the legacy of revenge, blood and hatred to our children. Let us give them the values of peace, love and justice. They are the future of our country. Let us make them inspirational men rather than blood thirsty beasts. The country has paid too heavy a price till now in terms of its soul assassination. Let us put an end to this all.
Our only savior is justice and the due process of law.

re: These liberals!

here is another one..look at the logic

“In response to resistance from several quarters against the lifting of the moratorium on the death penalty, many ask why executions should not take place given the barbarity of the crimes committed. There’s a simple answer: because even one miscarriage of justice would undermine Pakistan’s position, which must always be one of impeccable ethics if it is to be different from its enemy” Fade to black

         [Hajrah Mumtaz](http://www.dawn.com/authors/595/hajrahmumtaz)
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           The writer is a member of staff.




                           On the weekend, one major English-language daily  carried a front-page picture of the dead bodies, still on the noose, of  two militants that were executed in Faisalabad on Friday evening. 

Another English-language daily’s front-page photograph was of a ‘national solidarity’ rally held in Karachi on Friday, called by the MQM to condemn the events in Peshawar on Tuesday: the placard held by the young boys in the foreground reads “An eye for an eye; hang them all; hang them high”.
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Yet another picture, this time from the protests outside Lal Masjid in Islamabad, showed a citizen carrying a sign saying “Bhaag burqa bhaag”, a reference to the mosque’s cleric Abdul Aziz, who back in 2007 tried to escape a siege by disguising himself in women’s garb.
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           Activists of Civil Society hold a demonstration against the Peshawar incident outside Lal Masjid.— Online

[HR][/HR] Our confused mindset portends further distress.

[HR][/HR] The horror that transpired in Peshawar’s Army Public School last week is too much to bear. Yet the confused and conflicted mindset of the citizenry, as reflected by the reactions to the Peshawar outrage, portends even more distress.
The Pakistani state and society have arrived at the current pass after a long journey that has been spent discussing the difference between ‘good and bad’ Taliban, whether the perpetrators of violence are hardened terrorists or discontented brothers, and whether the correct course of action lies in dialogue and ‘peace talks’ or the waging of a military offensive.
Read: Militant siege of Peshawar school ends, 141 killed
The state itself has played both sides: consider, after all, that not too long before the Operation Zarb-i-Azb was launched in the region where the militants have created their sanctuaries, Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif led the call for a multi-party conference to come up with strategies to somehow cut a deal with the banned TTP.
All this back and forth has left citizens unable to make very basic distinctions that, if there was understanding and consensus, could create the much-needed societal push against violent extremism that this polity so desperately needs.
Also read | No distinction now between good and bad Taliban: Nawaz
The operation in the northwest has been opposed by a lot of people on several grounds, some valid and others not. The one I wish to highlight is that going after militants with force, with bombs and drones, would lay the ground open for a severe retaliation.
Some of these voices have become louder following last week’s events; the argument seems to be that in a way, the state and the military invited the murder, because that’s what they are guilty of doing in the northwest of the country against suspected militants and civilians caught in the crossfire.
Indeed, laying claim to the assault, the TTP did say last week that it was in revenge for the killings of “our women and children” by Pakistan Army hardware in the mountains bordering Afghanistan.
But this argument is unsound because of one very basic reason: that it was the TTP, and other assorted violent militant groups, that committed the primary and illegal transgression of taking up arms against the state, its apparatus, and its populace, civilian and military.
One can concede that a great many number of socio-economic, political and other factors led to these groups taking this course of action, not the least of them being that elements within the state sponsored them at least initially for perceived geo-strategic interests.
Yet, a state is duty-bound to bring to an end a violent revolt in which civilians are being targeted. It cannot afford to be squeamish in a theatre of war, which is what parts of the tribal areas effectively are. The security establishment doesn’t want to publicise it as such, because then the rules of war would apply, such as the protection of prisoners, but it should.
Then, there are voices — many of them from people who view themselves as liberal — of public executions and the killing of people found to have been involved in terrorism. Doesn’t such bloodthirstiness, though, bring such people down to the same level as those whom they oppose, ie trying to curb violence through further violence?
Also read: Nawaz removes moratorium on death penalty
No doubt it would be cathartic to see the perpetrators of the Peshawar attacks (had they been taken alive), or Mumtaz Qadri, the convicted killer of Salmaan Taseer, or the many others who have without flinching unleashed horror upon horror on Pakistanis, strung up; sure, it is tempting to wish upon them what they did to us; but the moral high ground lies in calling for them to face due process of law (the latter needs to be hugely strengthened and made much more efficient) and, crucially, the protection of the law.
In response to resistance from several quarters against the lifting of the moratorium on the death penalty, many ask why executions should not take place given the barbarity of the crimes committed. There’s a simple answer: because even one miscarriage of justice would undermine Pakistan’s position, which must always be one of impeccable ethics if it is to be different from its enemy.

The writer is a member of staff.
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Published in Dawn, December 22th, 2014

re: These liberals!

I think whenever a big decision is taken in any country and I really mean any country in the world, there is always a voice of opposition. There are human rights activists, religious scholars, right wing activists etc. But a govt should be strong enough to take a stand and make decisions that are in the best interest of the state. And I think thats exactly what govt is doing for last 5 days right now. Not to ignore other major factors like army, opposition parties etc which have also joined hands with Govt to make it feel secure.

So yes, sometimes you have to ignore them and move on.

re: These liberals!

tired of “…” in a thread title :chai:

Re: These liberals!

lol..naraz kiyon hotay hain sir jee…chalo app kay layee replaced with !

happy?

Re: These liberals!

govt does not care abt these liberals...but govt definitely cares about EU

tell you what...how abt if we send all these sentenced terrorists to EU!!!

Re: These liberals!

They will come back and make few more TTPs, remember the first Mehsud released by US?

Re: These liberals!

I believe Pakistan is in desperate need of sentencing severe punsihments. Crimes like murder, rape and corruption have become a norm in our country and they go unchecked. This has pushed our country into a deep pit from which we can only come out if we sentence crime commiters to severe and brutal punishments, like chopping of arms for any kind of theft (corruption, embezzlement of funds etc), death sentence for murder, stoning or hanging sentence for frequent rapes. Banning punishments is only going to make the situation worse. If we want to adopt such laws of US and Europe, we must first cultivate and educate our people, make them civilized enough that they don’t go on freely committing these crimes (as they are doing right now).
Leaving these criminals free is like making sure they come out stronger than ever. One hesitant murder would murder 30 more people if released or kept alive. Our jail system and police is just not strong enough like in US or Europe. We can hardly perform a DNA test on a rape case. There is hardly any research into why crimes happen or what motivated the perpetrator to commit a particular crime. Strong rules in our country, strong can murder the weak and go unchecked. I don’t think I need to list down the specific cases.

Re: These liberals!

thats like total anti-liberal…do you know that?

Re: These liberals!

Yeah that’s barbarism in shudd liberal language..