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Babloo is an I.S.I agent :p
Indians need not moarn about Kashmiri pandits now.Because it was the then of India that failed to protect the people of Kashmir including Pandits.
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While there are always victims on all sides of any conflict, as in this case the Pandit, the real issue here is that of those still residing in the Valley and the attrocities being commited against them.
The Pandits are nothing more then a convenient way for Indians in general to absolve themselves of any responsibility for the misery they have inflicted on Kashmiris of the Valley, and a way to soothe their conscience. The Indians, with their long history of human rights violations in Kashmir, are the last people who should speak on the subject of suffering in Kashmir. Personally I find it repulsive. Its akin to Nazis mourning German war casualties. Oppressors have no right to speak.
At the end of the day, the Pandits are Hindus and they will easily assimilate into Hindu India, as they have. They live in freedom of the Indian occupation, without the terror that is inflicted on the hapless Muslims of the Valley who are held hostage by a terrorist state.
While we should acknowledge all those who have suffered due to this conflict, we should not be fooled into allowing such blatantly obvious attempts at diversion by those who support Indian state terrorism.
The Kashmir issue would have been resolved years ago, if Pakistan hadn't interfered in 1948 and made a mess of the situation. And as if that was not enough Pak followed it up with attempts in 1965 and 1999, as well as the numerous acts through "non-state actors". No Indian govt can dare to even talk about plebiscite in Kashmir for fear of public backlash now. And realistically speaking India is far too powerful now for any international third party intervention.
Whether you like it or not, its Pak that has messed up the Kashmir issue and rendered it virtually "un-repairable".
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hahah .. so Pak messed up !! wow!! chck the facts first dude!
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hahah .. so Pak messed up !! wow!! chck the facts first dude!
I did. Why don't you check the facts for a change, and respond with facts instead of the usual BS ?
Re: there is no place for kashmiri pandits
Babloo is an I.S.I agent :p
Indians need not moarn about Kashmiri pandits now.Because it was the then of India that failed to protect the people of Kashmir including Pandits.
you're only partly right - India indeed did not take care of them but better late than never don't you think?
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@The_Player - however much educated a Pakistani it may be, they all seem to have a wanton blindness to facts on matters Kashmir. It is like a prime directive that doesn't brook reason! I have shown then specific resolution language, yet they will keep misquoting UN and Nehru. You show them who started the killing and how the Indian forces became necessary because of cross-border instigation and attacks mostly with Pak govt agency sponsorship and they'll go into this 'yeah, so!'.
They are caught between several conflicts of ethical, moral and legal issues and opt to a default fall-back position of rout.
Unfortunately the more radical elements within there take advantage of this social-blindspot to reason and usurp the conversation as the Bhindian conspiracy to destabilize Pakistan, when it comes time to rationalize suicide attacks and bombings.
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@The_Player - however much educated a Pakistani it may be, they all seem to have a wanton blindness to facts on matters Kashmir. It is like a prime directive that doesn't brook reason! I have shown then specific resolution language, yet they will keep misquoting UN and Nehru. You show them who started the killing and how the Indian forces became necessary because of cross-border instigation and attacks mostly with Pak govt agency sponsorship and they'll go into this 'yeah, so!'.
They are caught between several conflicts of ethical, moral and legal issues and opt to a default fall-back position of rout.
Unfortunately the more radical elements within there take advantage of this social-blindspot to reason and usurp the conversation as the Bhindian conspiracy to destabilize Pakistan, when it comes time to rationalize suicide attacks and bombings.
Long rants in which you repeat you govts propaganda wont make you look any smarter.
Do some actual research and quite trying to distract people from actual ground reality with baseless BS about your Pandits. There are real victims in all this and thy deserve real support.
At that end of the day the fact remains that INDIA is holding people hostage, its YOUR ARMY that is committing terrible crimes on these people... Its not our morality in question here, its yours.
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The Kashmir issue would have been resolved years ago, if Pakistan hadn't interfered in 1948 and made a mess of the situation.
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Spoken like a true supporter of Indian terrorism... No one other then you and your patetic govt believe this lie. Not the Kashmiri people and not Pakistanis.
You need to do some actual research. You obviously have no clue. I made my point, I dont need to waste my time debating a self deluded ignoramus.
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Long rants in which you repeat you govts propaganda wont make you look any smarter.
Do some actual research and quite trying to distract people from actual ground reality with baseless BS about your Pandits. There are real victims in all this and thy deserve real support.
At that end of the day the fact remains that INDIA is holding people hostage, its YOUR ARMY that is committing terrible crimes on these people... Its not our morality in question here, its yours.
come on, stop the speeches already. why would you expect not to have Indian military in any part of India where neighbors cause mischief!
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come on, stop the speeches already. why would you expect not to have Indian military in any part of India where neighbors cause mischief!
I expect Indias so called Army to not murder people en masse and commit mass human rights violations.
And it not me saying this, its international human rights organizations and the Kashmiri people themselves. The problem is that otherwise sane people like you refuse to accept reality and choose to close your hearts and your minds.
This is why nationalism is frowned upon by Islam, and other faiths I might add. Because Nationalism means my country right or wrong. Its an attitude that makes people like you turn a blind eye to the suffering of others. Its an anathema to all tat makes us human. You do consider yourself human do you not?
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Spoken like a true supporter of Indian terrorism... No one other then you and your patetic govt believe this lie. Not the Kashmiri people and not Pakistanis.
You need to do some actual research. You obviously have no clue. I made my point, I dont need to waste my time debating a self deluded ignoramus.
Well, you obviously know squat about Kashmir and are repeating the usual BS. I really do not need to prove anything to you. Be my guest if you want to continue living in denial.
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So say you. And so it must be TRUE! 
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@The__Player - however much educated a Pakistani it may be, they all seem to have a wanton blindness to facts on matters Kashmir. It is like a prime directive that doesn't brook reason! I have shown then specific resolution language, yet they will keep misquoting UN and Nehru. You show them who started the killing and how the Indian forces became necessary because of cross-border instigation and attacks mostly with Pak govt agency sponsorship and they'll go into this 'yeah, so!'.
They are caught between several conflicts of ethical, moral and legal issues and opt to a default fall-back position of rout.
Unfortunately the more radical elements within there take advantage of this social-blindspot to reason and usurp the conversation as the Bhindian conspiracy to destabilize Pakistan, when it comes time to rationalize suicide attacks and bombings.
And no matter how educated Indian you come across who would accept the fact that the machinery of killing and massacare of Muslims in Kashmir are the necessary tools of crushing will and freedom of people. Which obviously lies almost always in the hands of Indian government, Indian army (in the valley) and your bureaucracies.
Rather than seeking the answer in human nature, What is it in the nature of Indian government that causes them to set their armies and administrations to kill and since Kashmir is disputed territory.
Furthermore, look at the war Indian government uleashed upon Kashmiris by military dictatorship in the region. And because of this system and the innocents who loose their lives over it. The majority of the public in India are kept totally unaware by design. I am talking about Indians who are supposedly educated and completely busy in their bollywood influenced media. They don't have time to ponder upon the brutality of their own government against innocent civilians.
What even more disturbing is that if a man walks down the street and shoots one hundred people, you would clearly say that man is an insane murderer. We could argue he should be killed (this will probably by the crux of the following argument) but in my eyes if the man is guilty of such a crime he should be. Now lets extend this to Indian leaders and your military dictatorship in Kashmir . These are people who are responsible for endless massacres and the like in Kashmir. Should i argue now that they should be killed or murdered as well based upon the 1st scenario?. This is what bothers Pakistanis and therefore come to moral as well as any support to Kashmiri brethrens, who also follow same religion and have same values as Pakistanis.
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The Kashmir issue would have been resolved years ago, if Pakistan hadn't interfered in 1948 and made a mess of the situation. And as if that was not enough Pak followed it up with attempts in 1965 and 1999, as well as the numerous acts through "non-state actors". No Indian govt can dare to even talk about plebiscite in Kashmir for fear of public backlash now. And realistically speaking India is far too powerful now for any international third party intervention.
Whether you like it or not, its Pak that has messed up the Kashmir issue and rendered it virtually "un-repairable".
So, what is your proposal? For one side to lay down arms in hopes the other does as well? And which side do you suppose should do so first, considering that one side doesn't believe the other namely Indians.Who is going to initiate the peace between the sides? At what cost in terms of future violence, knowing full well how Indian dictatorship in the region have historically treated ceasefires with freedom fighters in Kashmir? What makes you think that peace is possible with you one side only? What makes you think that Pakistan alone should stop hostilities? What about the Indian army who swept into the valley to occupy Kashmir which initiated this war? What about fundamental hatred for the Kashmiris who historically do not want to rule by your country?
Why should Pakistan leave Kashmiris after 60+ years of conflict to leave and make it an open target for Indian dictatorship? You keep saying it is Pakistan that messed up, but as Kant said, an "ought" implies a "can", and neither (Pakistanis and Kashmiris) can comply with your utopian, naive nonsense.
"Collateral damage" is tragic and undesirable, yes, but so is the one sided point of view you're advocating here about Pakistan being messed in Kashmir. Now if your indian government would have been true angels, there would have been no Indian soldiers there in Kashmir and confidence building measure with Kashmiris would have taken place. Which I believe it is done by winning the hearts and minds of the people. How? By showing people of Kashmir how peace should be done by showing action. By not throwing bullets at Kashmiris when Indian army themesleves live in a "glass house" in the valley.
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^ If you read my post carefully, you would know what I think of the whole situation.
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act of frustration and guilt!! get your army out of there!! before things get even more worse! and let ppl of Kashmir decide wht they want!!
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^ it is called protecting our territory. Who asked you to send in the terrorists? That's what started the whole trouble.
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India has slaughtered 130,000 innocent civilians in Kashmir
... protecting your territory by massacaring innocent kashmiris!!
keep on saying "Pakistan started everything and india is mazloom bachara!" it wont change the reality!
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Will you do the same in Balochistan, because Balochis don’t want you there ?
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why are you so concern abt Balouchistan?? Balouchistan is none of your business .. Its PART OF PAKISTAN, BALOCHIS ARE PAKISTANI!!
UNLIKE YOU GUYS WHO HAVE OCCUPIED KASHMIR!!! and killed so many innocent kashmiri's
hence,STOP COMPARING BALOCHISTAN WITH KASHMIR EVERYWHERE!!! ...