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i agree.i have run into quite a few like that in america myself who are always going after americans and american culutre for one reason or the other and stuffing down everyones throat their religious dogmas.i wonder why they live there there are other countries in the world where they would be more accepted for their opinions and values.
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Pakoray, that's been my observation as well. It's important to preserve ones culture and religious beliefs, but at the same time one has to adapt and assimilate at the same time. I hate it when people reject and critisize the people of the land theyre living in.
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Humm.. The first thing I have learnt in life is not to generalize, stereotype, and I don’t “vent” out on My friends (that’s you lot), may be on my family but not on you people. Yes!! the Pakistani-americans have two mutually exclusive value sets(i.e. how the Pakistani-Americans put it to me), If Not ,I would have opened a thread called“The Right cross-section”
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yeah but then there are many more of that type that go after culture and traditions in Pakistan and say oh this is hindu-ana and that is hinduana and what nots. so this aint limited to Pakistanis in US, same happens in UK, same happens in middle east and heck the same happens..in Pakistan..
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why cant you rephrase your post in a much more loud fashion? Scared?
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Pakora bola
*Humm.. The first thing I have learnt in life is not to generalize, stereotype, *
right, and what was the observation that started this thread. if that was not a generalization then either you dont know what generalizations are, or your english is bad.
*and I don’t “vent” out on My friends (that’s you lot), may be on my family but not on you people. *
okay so if this was not venting, and if you wanted to share something worthwhile, you could have been a little more specific right? and not get yer knickers in a knot when someone looks at vcertain aspects of US culture that most pakistanis and many americans dont like for their shcool aged kids.
Yes!! the Pakistani-americans have two mutually exclusive value sets(i.e. how the Pakistani-Americans put it to me), If Not ,I would have opened a thread called“The Right cross-section”
Yeah you just hung out with the wrong crowd. Next time you are in US, avoid them.
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I have found more pakis critisizing pakistan while living over there than the paki americans critisizing the U.S while living in the U.S. I guess they are bigger hypocrites according to this theory.
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asif baat toh patay ki hay aap ki
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No! at least not in Pakistan, in the way u put it.
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errrrr come on ppl in pak complain about traditions like mehndi and all, or basant being not right, or sending their kids to coeducational institutes..which is all part of teh cotemporary pakistani society .. is it not
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u still not have noted names of ppl who u were going to go meet and who did not host you :)
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The observation was after meeting 10 to 15 pakistani-indian families in the US mid-west, cant I form an opinion?
Come on Fr… dont compare yourself with the “proper” US citizens, you and I know there is a hell of a difference in our cultures, and what we want our children to think as “Right” and “Wrong”.
OK Invite me and I MIGHT rephrase my Judgment :).
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Pakora bola
The observation was after meeting 10 to 15 pakistani-indian families in the US mid-west, cant I form an opinion?
yep, and as I said that opinion is based on the circle you moved around in. u can form an opinion, but then dont broadcast as some divine truth.
*Come on Fr... dont compare yourself with the "proper" US citizens, you and I know there is a hell of a difference in our cultures, and what we want our children to think as "Right" and "Wrong". *
aside from sex, alcohol, dating and revealign clothing, what else. And do you really think that 'proper' american parents dont have issues with these aspects either?
go ahead describe yourself, you say its not about alcohol, wat is it about then. so what is it that we want our children to think is right which is in contrast to what 'proper' americans want their children to think is right.
OK Invite me and I MIGHT rephrase my Judgment :).
I think you did not read the PS part of the initial post on that topic :p
PS: you still have not said who you were going to meet who did not met you just by choice. come on man back up your statement.
PS2: you were invited but you wanted to come and meet me in california, thatslike me telling you i am coming over to meet you in shanghai :)
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First of all, I never said"It's the divine truth" Just my divine opinion, and some pakistani americans agree to it, so what should I gather?????
Secondly...Come on Fraudz.. Its not about alcohol, just because I drink, It does not mean that you stoop to a level where you can deflect the argument and get personal.
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OK shub bakhair 
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Pakora bola
First of all, I never said"It's the divine truth" Just my divine opinion, and some pakistani americans agree to it, so what should I gather?????
well in that case you need to work on your composition skills, because you generalize when you dont intend to generalize.
Secondly...Come on Fraudz.. Its not about alcohol, just because I drink, It does not mean that you stoop to a level where you can deflect the argument and get personal.
why do u have a chip on your shoulder about drinking, I gave an example because that is one thing that desi parents are generally not confortable with. If you noticed, later I talked about other things that you dont do either because you dont want to or because you dont get an opportunity..i.e. dating, sex and drugs
I am not deflecting an argument, I am asking for further elaboration which you are unable or unwilling to provide..thus I ask what are you referring to.
I quote from my previous post
aside from sex, alcohol, dating and revealign clothing, what else. And do you really think that 'proper' american parents dont have issues with these aspects either?
and u have no answers, u say that pakistani-americans do nto want their kids to be part of US culture and society btu have no concrete examples, and when i cant read your mind and use some examples, you take it personally, throw a hissy fit and leave :) You know very well I dont launch personal attacks especially not against those I consider friends (even those who invite themselves to my house in california..while I live in Chicago :))
oh well
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how else do you want me to say it, or are you just dumb 
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“We want our children to be brought up in a Muslim environment, although they follow allot of wrong things at school and the society, but we can isolate them from all this, because we want to live in America and enjoy its freedom, and impose our ideas on them” How hypocritical can that sound to you ?????
** The other thing was how morally crass the Pakistani people living in the US were,** as they lived in USA they had that idea of living life to the fullest, fulfilling your utmost dreams, but simultaneously they kept up with the Pakistani rhetoric, just to be accepted on both fronts.
I found it really sad….
Hey atleast they don't enjoy people's hospitality and then start badmouthing them behind their back. That would be really sad.
p.s. is it just me or do mr. fraudia and pakora sound like old married couples arguing over who loves who more?
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pakora is a friend, we dont see eye to eye on a number of things, but we know we can be as open, frank and direct in our conversations and not take it personally :)
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Hahaha... Pakoray baaz aa jao.
Waisay, I think you have a good point. Before I tell you where I agree with you, let me say that a person is not required to accept all good and bad points of a society he is living in. So if ppl "shield" their young kids from (what they decide) are nefarious affects of Western society, thats their choice. For those living in Pakistan, probably dont want their kids to learn how to lie, bribe, break traffic laws, jump lines and be perennially late at all events. Yes, they may be common place in parts of Paksitan, but some ppl don't want to adhere to that. Same is with the society in the West.
Having said that, there are times, even I am surprised by some folks here. Meeting them and looking at their life style and opinions, you do kinda wonder why are they here. They are generally unhappy here, resent every thing, long for the utopian life they have left behind and make no effort to even enjoy all the good things life here offers. Talking to them you get a definite impression that they will be infinitely happier if they were back from where they came from, and even they are unable to explain why they continue to spend thier lives in an absolute misery here. Now unless they have a police case pending against them back in Pakistan ....