The words of Allah....

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in qudsi hadiths.

Quote them here, but do give who narrated it and which hadith collection it’s found in.

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On the authority of Abu Harayrah (may Allah be pleased with him) from the Prophet (saws) , who said: Allah (mighty and sublime be He) says:

The fist of his actions for which a servant of Allah will be held
accountable on the Day of Resurrection will be his prayers. If they
are in order, then he will have prospered and succeeded: and if they
are wanting, then he will have failed and lost. If there is something
defective in his obligatory prayers, the Lord (glorified and exalted
be He) will say: See if My servant has any supererogatory prayers with
which may be completed that which was defective in his obligatory
prayers. Then the rest of his actions will be judged in like
fashion.

It was related by at-Tirmidhi (also by Abu Dawud, an-Nasa’i, Ibn Majah and Ahmad).

On the authority of Abu Hurayrah (may Allah be pleased with him), who said that the Prophet (saws) said: Allah the Almighty said:

I am as My servant thinks I am. I am with him when he makes mention of Me. If he makes mention of Me to himself, I make mention of him to Myself; and if he makes mention of Me in an assembly, I make mention of him in an assemble better than it. And if he draws near to Me an arm’s length, I draw near to him a fathom’s length. And if he comes to Me walking, I go to him at speed.

It was related by al-Buhkari (also by Muslim, at-Tirmidhi and Ibn-Majah).

On the authority of Anas (may Allah be pleased with him), who said: I heard
the Messenger of Allah (saws) say: Allah the Almighty said:

O son of Adam, so long as you call upon Me and ask of Me, I shall
forgive you for what you have done, and I shall not mind. O son of
Adam, were your sins to reach the clouds of the sky and were you then
to ask forgiveness of Me, I would forgive you. O son of Adam, were
you to come to Me with sins nearly as great as the earth and were you
then to face Me, ascribing no partner to Me, I would bring you
forgiveness nearly as great at it.

It was related by at-Tirmidhi (also by Ahmad ibn Hanbal).

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Shouldn't the title of this thread be The words of Muhammed as inspired by Allah?

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the same wud go for Quran then, no????

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MOghal. are you saying that Hadees is Allah’s words? :naooz:

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The way I understand it, Muslims believe the Quran to be the verbatim words of God while a qudsi hadith contains the message of God but conveyed in Muhammed's own words.

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*Originally posted by Seminole: *
The way I understand it, Muslims believe the Quran to be the verbatim words of God while a qudsi hadith contains the message of God but conveyed in Muhammed's own words.
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Not quite. A Qudsi hadith is different from a normal hadith.

A normal hadith is where Muhammed (saws) tells Muslims what God wants them to do. In these cases, the message is indeed phrased the Prophet's (saws) own words.

A qudsi hadith, on theother hand, is where the Prophet quotes God directly.

It's the difference between.

a) According to mAd_ScIeNtIsT , Madhanee said that Seminole said that he drank a Bud Lite last night and enjoyed it.

b) According to mAd_ScIeNtIsT , Madhanee said that Seminole said "I cracked open and chugged down a cold one last night, and it was a Bud Lite, and it was damned good".

The former would contain Seminole's message in Madhanee's own words, whilst the latter case contains the exact words of Seminole.

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I found my answer here Ask About Islam where it says: “The Qur’an contains the verbatim words of Allah, while a hadith qudsi contains the message of Allah conveyed to the people by the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) in the Prophet’s own words.”

So they are not “Allah’s words”, but his message, that Muhammed put into his own words and relayed to others.

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^
thats another confused answer....
u shud not trust aything u find over the internet....

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^ True, the Internet is the LAST place one would want to start learning about Islam.

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Then what is the source that says qudsi hadiths are "the words of Allah"?

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Re: The words of Allah…

I also got confused in defining Hadith Qudsi but found following definition which looks correct to me. Wallah Aalam

Source: http://www.iiu.edu.my/deed/hadith/other/hadithqudsi.html

  •     The following is a collection of 40 Hadith Qudsi. But what is Hadith Qudsi and how do they differ from other Hadith? The following discussion is given in the introduction to the book titled "Forty Hadith Qudsi" published by: Revival of Islamic Heritage Society, Islamic Translation Center, P.O.Box 38130, Aldahieh, Kuwait.*

 Hadith Qudsi are the sayings of the Prophet Muhammad (Peace and   Blessings of Allah be upon him) as revealed to him by the Almighty Allah. Hadith Qudsi (or Sacred Hadith) are so named **because, unlike the majority of Hadith which are Prophetic Hadith, their authority (Sanad) is traced back not to the Prophet but to the Almighty**.


 Among the many definitions given by the early scholars to Sacred  Hadith is that of as-Sayyid ash-Sharif al-Jurjani (died in 816 A.H.) in his lexicon At-Tarifat where he says: "**A Sacred Hadith is, as to the meaning, from Allah the Almighty; as to the wording, it is from the messenger of Allah (peace be upon him). It is that which Allah the Almighty has communicated to His Prophet through revelation or in dream, and he, peace be upon him, has communicated it in his own words.** Thus Qur'an is superior to it because, besides being revealed, it is His wording."
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Re: The words of Allah…

What is Hadith Qudasi?

Qudsi means “holy or pure.” There are some reports from the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) in which he relates to the people what Allah says, but this information is not part of the Qur’an. Such a report is called a hadith qudsi, for example:
Abu Hurayrah reported that Allah’s Messenger said,“Allah Almighty said: If My servant likes to meet Me, I like to meet him, and if he dislikes to meet Me, I dislike to meet him.”**
Though the content of a hadith qudsi is based on a saying of Allah, its wording is the Prophet’s. This, in fact, is a crucial point of distinction between Qur’an, whose wording is Allah’s, and hadith qudsi. Further, the Qur’an was brought to the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) only by the Angel Jibreel, while a hadith qudsi may also have been inspired otherwise, such as in a dream. Being a part of Hadith, Hadith Qudsi also shares the same points that differentiate Hadith from the Qur’an.
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http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/Satellite?c=Article_C&cid=1158658459291&pagename=Zone-English-Living_Shariah%2FLSELayout
Difference between Hadith Qudsi and Hadith Nabwi
While the common factor between al-Hadith al-Qudsi and the Qur’an is that both contain words from Allah which were revealed to the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him), they are nevertheless distinct from each other as pointed out hereunder:

1. The Holy Qur’an contains the verbatim words of Allah, while al-Hadith al-Qudsi contains the message of Allah conveyed to the people by the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) in his own words.

2. The Holy Qur’an is inimitable and unique, but such is not the case with al-Hadith al-Qudsi. This is so because the latter is not the verbatim word of Allah.

3. The Holy Qur’an is recited in every prayer but al-Hadith al-Qudsi cannot be recited in any prayer."

The above quotation is excerpted, with slight modifications, from: http://www.jamiat.org.za/isinfo/mishkat2.html

Elaborating on the differences between Hadith Qudsi and Hadith Nabawi and between it and the Qur’an, we’d like to cite for you the following:

"A Hadith Qudsi (plural Ahadith Qudsiyyah) is a statement where Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) reports a statement and he refers it directly to Allah. The regular Hadith or what is generally known as a Hadith Nabawi is a Hadith where one of the Companions reports the Prophet’s statements, his deeds, or things that happened in his presence and he approved of them. There are more than one hundred Ahadith Qudsiyah. They are very beautiful and deal mostly with spiritual and ethical subjects.

Sometimes, people ask questions about the difference between the Qur’an and the Hadith Qudsi. They say that the Qur’an is the world of Allah and Hadith Qudsi also refers to Allah’s words, then how do they differ? The scholars of Hadith have mentioned five main differences between the Qur’an and the Hadith Qudsi:

1. The Qur’an was revealed to the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) verbatim, i.e. its words and meanings are both from Allah. The Hadith Qudsi was not a verbatim revelation, its words are from the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him).

2. The Qur’an was revealed via Angel Jibreel while Hadith Qudsi may have been inspired by other ways, such as in the form of a dream.

3. The words of the Qur’an are miraculous or inimitable (mu’jizah) while the words of the Hadith Qudsi are not of this nature.

4. The Qur’an is recited in formal prayers (salah) but the Hadith Qudsi cannot be recited in prayers.

5. One is not allowed to touch the Qur’an in the state of Janabah (post-sexual impurity), while there is no such prohibition for touching the books of Hadith Qudsi."

Taken from, Ibrahim Izzuddin and Denis Johnson-Davies, Forty Hadith Qudsi, Beirut, Damascus, 1980.
http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/Satellite?pagename=IslamOnline-English-Ask_Scholar/FatwaE/FatwaE&cid=1119503543628