The woman or man found guilty of sexual intercourse - lash each one of them

[ZeeshanParvez]

The woman or man found guilty of sexual intercourse - lash each one of them with a hundred lashes, and do not be taken by pity for them in the religion of Allah , if you should believe in Allah and the Last Day. And let a group of the believers witness their punishment.

[Qur’aan 24:2]

This Verse as it is, is general in meaning. This means any Zaani (person who has had illegal sexual intercourse) is to be lashed whether he or she is free, a slave, married, or unmarried.

However, this general Verse has been specified.

Firstly, the female slave is only to receive 50 lashes as outlined in the following Qur’anic Verse.

And whoever among you cannot [find] the means to marry free, believing women, then [he may marry] from those whom your right hands possess of believing slave girls. And Allah is most knowing about your faith. You [believers] are of one another. So marry them with the permission of their people and give them their due compensation according to what is acceptable. [They should be] chaste, neither [of] those who commit unlawful intercourse randomly nor those who take [secret] lovers. But once they are sheltered in marriage, if they should commit adultery, then for them is half the punishment for free women. This [allowance] is for him among you who fears sin, but to be patient is better for you. And Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.

[Qur’aan 4:25]

Second, this general Verse has been specified by a verse the recitation of which was abrogated but its Hukm (legal application) remained in effect. The Verse was

الشيخ والشيخة إذا زنيا فارجموهما البتة نكالا من الله ، والله عزيز حكيم

“The old man and the old woman, if they commit zina, then stone them both, a punishment from Allah, and Allah is Almighty, Most Wise.”

Reference(s):

أضواء البيان في إيضاح القرآن بالقرآن](إسلام ويب - أضواء البيان في إيضاح القرآن بالقرآن - سورة النور - قوله تعالى الزانية والزاني فاجلدوا كل واحد منهما مائة جلدة- الجزء رقم5)

[PyariCgudia]

Re: The woman or man found guilty of sexual intercourse - lash each one of them

Why do you just post lectures?

[kakaballi]

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@PyariCgudia

Why do you just post lectures?

He belongs to copy-paste school of thought.

[ZeeshanParvez]

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@PyariCgudia

Why do you just post lectures?

Cuz I feel like it. Feel free not to read them!

[ZeeshanParvez]

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@kakaballi

He belongs to copy-paste school of thought.

Not copy paste kaka. That is your vroom who does that! I translate and paste

[Guppshupper]

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Somebody post in Life & Relationship please!!!

I want to see all the Islamic sisters’ response to this - those who always defend slagish behaviour.

[Thornewood9]

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@kakaballi

He belongs to copy-paste school of thought.

Which school of thought?

[psyah]

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@Guppshupper

Somebody post in Life & Relationship please!!!

I want to see all the Islamic sisters’ response to this - those who always defend slagish behaviour.

Now now …

[psyah]

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The injunction to deal fully the punishment of those who are sentenced should be understood in context to hiding the faults in people until it becomes virtually impossible to do so. We are required to veil people and their sins.

The Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said: "He who sees something which should be kept hidden and conceals it will be like one who has brought to life a girl buried alive (a pre-Islamic practice). - Sunan of Abu-Dawood, Hadith 2292

Narrated AbuBarzah al-Aslami: The Prophet (peace be upon him) said: O community of people, who believed by their tongue, and belief did not enter their hearts, do not back-bite Muslims, and do not search for their faults, for if anyone searches for their faults, Allah will search for his fault, and if Allah searches for the fault of anyone, He disgraces him in his house. - Sunan of Abu Dawood, Number 2283

Despite a woman pleading to be cleansed for her adultery RasoolAllah (SAW) kept delaying her and turned away from her … and in other cases the insistence of being given a penalty by the person who did the crime is a clear proof that we should not be quick to condemn and if we see a crime of this type we should hide it until or unless it becomes open or harms the interests of others and require their justice. If a spouse suspects his or her partner of zina then they should keep quiet about it and protect each other - even if they dissolve their marriage. The ayat about not holding back or feeling pity is only relevant AFTER conviction and does not apply to exposing people.

[batameez]

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Ruling can only be applied in islamic states and has many requirements before its valid, one being of four witnesses who verify seeing it at the same time I think

[ZeeshanParvez]

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@psyah

The injunction to deal fully the punishment of those who are sentenced should be understood in context to hiding the faults in people until it becomes virtually impossible to do so. We are required to veil people and their sins.

The Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said: "He who sees something which should be kept hidden and conceals it will be like one who has brought to life a girl buried alive (a pre-Islamic practice). - Sunan of Abu-Dawood, Hadith 2292

Narrated AbuBarzah al-Aslami: The Prophet (peace be upon him) said: O community of people, who believed by their tongue, and belief did not enter their hearts, do not back-bite Muslims, and do not search for their faults, for if anyone searches for their faults, Allah will search for his fault, and if Allah searches for the fault of anyone, He disgraces him in his house. - Sunan of Abu Dawood, Number 2283

Despite a woman pleading to be cleansed for her adultery RasoolAllah (SAW) kept delaying her and turned away from her … and in other cases the insistence of being given a penalty by the person who did the crime is a clear proof that we should not be quick to condemn and if we see a crime of this type we should hide it until or unless it becomes open or harms the interests of others and require their justice. If a spouse suspects his or her partner of zina then they should keep quiet about it and protect each other - even if they dissolve their marriage. The ayat about not holding back or feeling pity is only relevant AFTER conviction and does not apply to exposing people.

@batameez

Ruling can only be applied in islamic states and has many requirements before its valid, one being of four witnesses who verify seeing it at the same time I think

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Great points. The purpose of the Thread was actually to bring to the attention of people how a general Qur’anic Verse can be specified by another Qur’anic Verse and by the Sunnah.** I should have been more explicit on this one!

[kakaballi]

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@Thornewood9

Which school of thought?

Nothing. I was just a lame attempt of a joke.

[IqbalAli]

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The Hadith which tells us how Jews were ashamed of Torah and how Prophet knew Torah better than Jews.

Bukhari :: Book 6 :: Volume 60 :: Hadith 79

Narrated 'Abdullah bin Umar:

The Jews brought to the Prophet a man and a woman from among them who had committed illegal sexual intercourse. The Prophet said to them, “How do you usually punish the one amongst you who has committed illegal sexual intercourse?” They replied, “We blacken their faces with coal and beat them,” He said, “Don’t you find the order of Ar-Rajm (i.e. stoning to death) in the Torah?” They replied, “We do not find anything in it.” 'Abdullah bin Salam (after hearing this conversation) said to them. “You have told a lie! Bring here the Torah and recite it if you are truthful.” (So the Jews brought the Torah).

And the religious teacher who was teaching it to them, put his hand over the Verse of Ar-Rajm and started reading what was written above and below the place hidden with his hand, but he did not read the Verse of Ar-Rajm. 'Abdullah bin Salam removed his (i.e. the teacher’s) hand from the Verse of Ar-Rajm and said, “What is this?” So when the Jews saw that Verse, they said, “This is the Verse of Ar-Rajm.” So the Prophet ordered the two adulterers to be stoned to death, and they were stoned to death near the place where biers used to be placed near the Mosque. I saw her companion (i.e. the adulterer) bowing over her so as to protect her from the stones.

[queer]

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without sexual intercourse there is no life. vary hi sillay, zeeshan je to lash peeps for it.

50 shades fillum dekhi hai aap ne?

[PyariCgudia]

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Thanks psyah. Do you hear this Zeeshan ?? So what is Zeeshan getting out of this? He wants us to rat out anyone we see making out so they can get publicly beaten up? So guys like Zeeshan can feel good about themselves? Is that Islam to you Zeeshan?

[hareem01]

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Lashing and stoning people to death should be least of muslim ummah’ worries right now. We should be rallying against porn becoming mainstream, child marriages, and jihadi brides.

[IqbalAli]

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@PyariCgudia

Thanks psyah. Do you hear this Zeeshan ?? So what is Zeeshan getting out of this? He wants us to rat out anyone we see making out so they can get publicly beaten up? So guys like Zeeshan can feel good about themselves? Is that Islam to you Zeeshan?

Are you saying verses of The Noble Qur’an are not part of Islam? Also read the hadith I posted to see what the punishment for adultery is, or are you saying he was wrong?

the Prophet ordered the two adulterers to be stoned to death, and they were stoned to death near the place where biers used to be placed near the Mosque. I saw her companion (i.e. the adulterer) bowing over her so as to protect her from the stones.

[PyariCgudia]

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No I’m saying you’re not part of Islam. You are twisting the Quran, advocating for people to actively seek out folks who are sinning. That is NOT a muslims business.