The wahabis call the 4 Sunni Imams "Enemies of Islam" !!

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Salaam alaikum,

Dear brothers & sisters,
The following questions were raised in the thread:ARE WAHABIS ENEMIES OF ISLAM & PROPHET? Instead of getting answers, the wahabis have been using profanity, diversion - asking unrelated questions and, just making plain noise.

Dear brothers & sisters,
The following questions are very important and we must seek to get the answers for these questions! I would strongly request that you make a mental note of these questions and its significance!

I thank you all.
May Allah keep us on the right path!

QUESTIONS FOR WAHABIS:

  1. Why do you[wahabis] call the 4 Sunni Imams(Shaefi, Hanbal, Malik, Hanaf)" fake alims" and “enemies of Islam”?

  2. Why do you[wahabis] call Ahl As Sunnah the greatest bida’h and say it must be destroyed?

  3. Why call yourselves Sunni when you[wahabis]REJECT Ahl As Sunnah and, the Sunni ulema leadership[Ahl as sunnah wal Jammat] have denounced you as HERETICS?

  4. Why do you[wahabis] all get paid for creating FITNA in Islam?

  5. Why do wahabis prohibit mawlids of Prophet when they encourage the mawlids of their wahabiyya founders?

  6. Why this destruction of monuments associated with the Prophet’s relations & Companions BUT erection of huge monuments to honour the wahabiyya kings & founders?

  7. Why convert the ancestral home of Bibi Khadija (ra) home into public latrines?

  8. Why celebrate the DESTRUCTION of Osman Caliphate with bands & speeches?

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You are just trying to show how creat sunah wa-aljaamat is.

Wahabis only follow QURAN and hadith and we DO NOT LIKE PEOPLE like you who creat NEW THINGS in islam.

Every bid'ah is dalala and every dalala is going to hell. < you hear that on every jummah khuttbaa dont you?>???????and you still keep on creating new things in islam. Shame on you.

Jaawan

till next time**Keep_It_Simple_Stupid**

**Wise Man says:>What I say won't really change anything, but what you say doesn't really matter!

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You soo called sunnah waljaama do these 11 things that are NOT part of islam. Could you tell all of why and who told you to do those things and add or make part of islam????????? you are NO where near the dust on prophet mohammads(pbh) shoe and you go on creating new shit in islam??????????? thats is kufrr.

Explain these from quran or hadith.

People of sub-continent do some things, which are NOT part of quran or sunnah. Those were NEVER done by prophet(pbh) or his campanions(suhaba or tabieen or taba-tabieeens). Here is some of the list done by most people(muslims) in South Asia.

**1. Bowing/giving sajjdaa to graves.
2. Giving out Giiyaarween sharifs. (Celebrating something on every 11th of some month)
3. Building Daar'baars and holding them as worship places.
4. Celebrating EID milad-un-nabi. ( i thought we had only 2 EIDs.) 5. Marriages> Most of the stuff is taken from hindu religion. Jaaheaiz problems. Doing all sort of things which are NOT and never were part of islam.
6. Calling or saying something like " asaalawat to aslaamu aleikaa, yaaraasul-allah -- wa-saalmm alekaa yaa habib allah" BEFORE and AFTER saying azzaaann. (call to prayer) Where did that come from??? ITS NOT IN HADITH OR QURAN? sure those are good words, but who told you to put in in front and after azzaan? Thats a big sin.
7. Going to some dead peers and noble men to ask for birth of child and other worldly things. ( daat-taa darrbaar and there are others in south asia as well.) BTW on Daat-taaa darbaar.... It says very clearly bowing down to ANTHING other than allah and kabaa is haram.... but ignorent people still do it <they actually bow(saajddaa) to that grave ). I my self have seen people kissing and ornamenting and bowing down to some old mans grave in my village when i was young. DO YOU CALL THAT TRUE ISLAM? DO YOU STILL CALL YOUR SELF FOLLOWERS OF REAL SUNNAH AND QURAN? ARE THINGS MENTIONED ABOVE MENTIONED IN QURAN OR HADITH AS WELL?????
8. Giving out khaatam sharifs - what ever that is.
9. Saying that mohammad(pbh) knows the gaaib( the unseen) Saying that he has knowledge that only Allah has.
10. Making up SHIRKAANA "naahtts" about mohammad and other campanions and regarding them as MORE than Allah. (astaqfirullah) Here is an example of such insane and ignorent stupid act. understood that author or speaker is trying to show his or her love towards Mohammad(PBH) but degrading the true level of mohammad and putting him OVER allah is just too much shirk. ]

"Shaafee O Nafee ho tum; Kafee O waafee ho tum"
"dard ko kardo dawaa tum pe karoroN duruud"

"(You are sufficient, enough; adequate and abundant for us.)"
"(Yaa Rasulallah, please heal my pain; give remedy for my affliction a billion Salawat on thee)"

  1. Going on daarbaars(graves) and putting on fire, and music and bahangraa and dating when you people hold melas there. Where did this come from? ITS NOT IN HADITH OR QURAN. who said you can do that on graves? in cemetary? in kabar-estaan?**

Jaawan

till next time**Keep_It_Simple_Stupid**

**Wise Man says:>What I say won't really change anything, but what you say doesn't really matter!

[This message has been edited by Jaawan* (edited August 27, 2000).]

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Dear brothers & sisters,

What did I tell you? Here's the example of the "noise" that I refer to!

Are are three posts from the JD - Jawaan related or answer the questions raised?

Now, watch for salafi, little boy and other supposedly 'new members' (?) to show up all flaunting the great wahabiyya creed.

Finally, the blame for allowing this cancer of wahabiyya to spread has to lie with us. We have allowed them to survive and now we must surely pay the price.

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1) Why do you[wahabis] call the 4 Sunni Imams(Shaefi, Hanbal, Malik, Hanaf)" fake alims" and "enemies of Islam"?<<
tut tut. At least try to come with something original man. Did your dead pir enlighten you with this news? We love them. Only deviating rejectors of the Sunnah like you reject them.

2) Why do you[wahabis] call Ahl As Sunnah the greatest bida'h and say it must be destroyed?<<
Are you stupid or what? How can we call ourselves the greatest bida'h. I think you're just a bit confused. We call the grave worshippers the greatest bida'h, those who's religion is based upon dogmas, non-sense talk, fables and alleged miracles. This crap must be eliminated.

3) Why call yourselves Sunni when you REJECT Ahl As Sunnah and, the Sunni leadership have denounced you as HERETICS?<<
We reject the grave worshippers. We call ourselves sunni, because we are the true followers of sunnah.

4) Why do you all get paid for creating FITNA in Islam?<<
Do you have any evidence of transactions of payment? If not I suggest you find some. We do not create, silly billy. Who told you that? We are here to rid the polytheism from the face of this earth. This is why Allah has created us.

5) Why do wahabis prohibit mawlids of Prophet when they encourage the mawlids of their wahabiyya founders?<<
We prohibit mawlids of anyone and everyone and we do not celebrate mawlids of anyone.

6) Why this destruction of monuments associated with the Prophet's relations & Companions BUT erection of huge monuments to honour the wahabiyya kings & founders?<<
No monuments of any 'wahabiyyah kings & founders' allowed because we don't have any kings nor do we have any founders except the Messenger(saw).

7) Why convert the ancestral home of Bibi Khadija (ra) home into public latrines?<<
Do you have any evidence for that. If not I suggest you go and look for some.

8) Why celebrate the DESTRUCTION of Osman Caliphate with bands & speeches?<<
You stop smoking & getting high man. You must have mistaken the sufi whirling dervishes for us, since we do not allow any type of bands.

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Abdul malik

Your points - Absolutely Correct!

The Wahabis-known for parroting the slogan of "Qur’an and Sunnah," without any profound understanding of the two sources of Islam!

i)the Wahhabis have a passion for trying to find faults among the mujtahids such as the noble Imam Abu Hanifah, Imam Shaf‘i, Imam Malik, and Imam Ahmad Ibn Hanbal and ridicule their teachings.

ii)The Wahhabis are also known for slandering scholars of Ahlus-Sunnah like Imams Suyuti, Imam Abu Hamid Ghazali, Imam Nawawi, (radi Allahu 'anhum) among others.

iii) The wahabis, not only, call the scholars of Islam "Enemies" and their madhabs "bida't" to be destroyed.
They even claim:

The Ahl as Sunnah - sunnis can be KILLED!

Wake up Muslims!

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The people who following Quran and Sunna correctly are Muslims. True Muslims. You guys insists to call them Wahabis.

Sufiism, Going to Mazarz and praying, Dance performances on Mazars, Pirs, Qawalis, Milad are not the part of Islam. These all traditions are adopted from Hunduism.

We don't accept all these additions into Islam. Islam is what described in Quran and Sunnah.

May Allah guide to the right path.

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bg

Care to debate the "Quran & Sunnah" that you wahabis 'supposedly' follow in the thread:THE STATUS OF SUNNAH IN ISLAM!

Let us get this thru your heads: wahabis ONLY follow hadiths, those narrated & authenticated by Imam Hanbali. According to scholars, it was found that these particular hadiths contained the greatest fabrications & lies! Also, your 'so-called religion' is based NOT on Ahl as sunnah but on teachings of abdul wahab! Are you clear on the significance of this!

Dear readers,
I forgot to add that according to wahabis all non-wahabis are sufis and polytheists kafirs and that is the reason why they[wahabis] keep harping on all muslims being grave worshippers!

I don't know what drugs these wahabis have been on for so long; it's high time that we lift the fog they have been under!

[This message has been edited by faceup (edited August 28, 2000).]

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[quote]
Originally posted by faceup:
**bg

Let us get this thru your heads: wahabis ONLY follow hadiths, those narrated & authenticated by Imam Hanbali. According to scholars, it was found that these particular hadiths contained the greatest fabrications & lies! Also, your 'so-called religion' is based NOT on Ahl as sunnah but on teachings of abdul wahab! Are you clear on the significance of this!

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first of all i wana make this clear that there is no such thing as WAHABI , it is u guys/ppl gave us this name cuz we believe in only one GOD and on our holy book QURAN and on our last PROPHET(PBH).
I really dont know about other guppies here discussing or should i say arguing on the wahabi thing , but i am not wahabi and as far as i believe there is no such thing as wahabi!!!!!
Its just that we ppl try to stop other ppl who bow on the graves and goes on the mizaars to ask for forgiveness and other stuff, and when v ask u guys to stop it or y u guys do such thing even though v werent suppose to b doing then u ppl insist and keep us calling WAHABI and say that v do stuff as that scholar ABDUL WAHAB did .....so i would like to make sure to u guys that this is not true!!!!

one more thing plz do try to read QURAN with translation or should i say with EASY TRANSLATION , b4 making such kinnd a assumption about any thing!!!! this will absolutely gonna tell u whether its better to follow QURAN and SUNNAH or to bow on the graves !!!!!!!

~think about it!!!!

*AbhI tOu mAi JaWAn HoUn*

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QUESTIONS FOR WAHABIS:
1) Why do you[wahabis] call the 4 Sunni Imams(Shaefi, Hanbal, Malik, Hanaf)" fake alims" and "enemies of Islam"?

2) Why do you[wahabis] call Ahl As Sunnah the greatest bida'h and say it must be destroyed?

3) Why call yourselves Sunni when you[wahabis]REJECT Ahl As Sunnah and, the Sunni ulema leadership[Ahl as sunnah wal Jammat] have denounced you as HERETICS?

4) Why do you[wahabis] all get paid for creating FITNA in Islam?

5) Why do wahabis prohibit mawlids of Prophet when they encourage the mawlids of their wahabiyya founders?

6) Why this destruction of monuments associated with the Prophet's relations & Companions BUT erection of huge monuments to honour the wahabiyya kings & founders?

7) Why convert the ancestral home of Bibi Khadija (ra) home into public latrines?

8) Why celebrate the DESTRUCTION of Osman Caliphate with bands & speeches? <<<<<<<

i think these are very useless questions. the real question is..... what do sunni muslims follow in the name of Islam and why do the Wahabies differ?

The answer is that some sunnies of subcontinent follow a mixture of hindu rituals, dances, grave worshipping etc. in the name of Islam. That is more important than discussing what some wahabi aalams think of some halwa khor sunni peers and aalims.

sunni muslims should not follow this borrowed crap of dancing on the graves etc. first so others can also call themselves sunni muslims and not associate with shirk. Untill then..... you can call me and other sunnies a Wahabi or whatever else.

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Let us get this thru your heads: wahabis ONLY follow hadiths, those narrated & authenticated by Imam Hanbali. <<<<

hahahaha this is very amusing. i’ve never heard of this Imam… I do not follow just the hadiths and Im a Wahabi.

this faceup is quite a moron. he tells you what you beleive in just to cause some friction. a real bunya.

so what else do wahabies REALLY follow? and what else do they REALLY do that no other wahabi knows of… so you can use it to blame them.

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The Wahabis-known for parroting the slogan of “Qur’an and Sunnah,” without any profound understanding of the two sources of Islam!

i)the Wahhabis have a passion for trying to find faults among the mujtahids such as the noble Imam Abu Hanifah, Imam Shaf‘i, Imam Malik, and Imam Ahmad Ibn Hanbal and ridicule their teachings.

ii)The Wahhabis are also known for slandering scholars of Ahlus-Sunnah like Imams Suyuti, Imam Abu Hamid Ghazali, Imam Nawawi, (radi Allahu 'anhum) among others.

iii) The wahabis, not only, call the scholars of Islam “Enemies” and their madhabs “bida’t” to be destroyed.
They even claim:
The Ahl as Sunnah - sunnis can be KILLED!
Wake up Muslims! <<<<<<<<<<

** this would all be false and baseless… without any proof whatsoever. i have not seen one wahabi do any of these acts in my lifetime. As a reader of Gupshup I have come across many wahabies. never have their views been even close to what faceup has been trying so hard to explain. Never have I seen any sunni/wahabi person say that sunnies need to be killed just cos they worship on graves etc. Its a misunderstanding that comes after living with hindus for a long time that can be corrected by learning Islam.

Never have I seen or read any sunni/wahabi disrespect sahabah and put them down. Sahabas were the first ones to spread the name of Islam all over the world and they deserve our respect and duas.

this faceup character is allowed to post such baseless acquisitions without proof whatsoever. Not that we all cant see that but Im afraid if we start doing the same about his bunya ancestors he wont find a place to hide.

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[This message has been edited by mundyaa (edited August 28, 2000).]

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Mundyaa
MORE Proofs coming later today!

Sacrilege of Rasoolillah's heritage & Light;
Destruction of ancestral homes of Rasoolillah household and;
Massacre of Ahl as sunnah muslims by the wahabis.

Wahabis TWIST & lie in their madness to defeile/slander the beliefs of traditional muslims.

Wahabis use Tafrike(Use of Fatwas) or threat of it against traditional muslims.

All these points made above plus those made by brother Abdul malik are IRREFUTABLE PROOFS! Mundyaa, are you denying all this?

But will all this proof change your mind?
Probably not! You are in it for the money that Riyadh sents you! Make sure you get paid the same amount as LittleBOY bo Beep!

More importantly, this info provided herein is to create awareness amongst muslim brothers & sisters about the wahabiyya jahaliyyat & Fitna. We can't shove it down their throat, all we can do is present the info in clear & understandable manner! The rest is upto our muslim brothers & sisters!

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To salafi,
I have evidence that u Wahabis get paid by the Saudi Govt and other wahabis around the world. I used to be in the management of Jama-Masjid siddique-akbar and I have relatives who are still in the management and though my relatives cant say anything because the weirdos of Sipah Sahaba and Taliban will kill them if they say anything but yes they have evidence that Jama-masjid siddique -akbar, Jama-masjid binnori town, Jama-masjid ahsan-ul-uloom and several others that used to be a place of worship have now all become ** training fields for the weirdos of Sipah Sahaba/ Salafi/ Wahabis/ Talibans.**. These wahabis are destroying the young generation of Ahle-sunnat wal-jamaat. May Allah destroy wahabis. Aámeen
Labbaik Ya- Rasool-Allah (s.a.w)
Muslim786

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Good post AbdulMalick,
May Allah bless you for unwrapping the evil designs of Wahabis in the sadqa of Prophet (s.a.w)
Muslim786

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You soo called sunnah waljaama do these 11 things that are NOT part of islam. Could you tell all of why and who told you to do those things and add or make part of islam??? you are NO where near the dust on prophet mohammads(pbh) shoe and you go on creating new shit in islam??? thats is kufrr.
Explain these from quran or hadith.

People of sub-continent do some things, which are NOT part of quran or sunnah. Those were NEVER done by prophet(pbh) or his campanions(suhaba or tabieen or taba-tabieeens). Here is some of the list done by most people(muslims) in South Asia.

**1. Bowing/giving sajjdaa to graves.
2. Giving out Giiyaarween sharifs. (Celebrating something on every 11th of some month)
3. Building Daar’baars and holding them as worship places.
4. Celebrating EID milad-un-nabi. ( i thought we had only 2 EIDs.) <where did this come from???
5. Marriages> Most of the stuff is taken from hindu religion. Jaaheaiz problems. Doing all sort of things which are NOT and never were part of islam.
6. Calling or saying something like " asaalawat to aslaamu aleikaa, yaaraasul-allah – wa-saalmm alekaa yaa habib allah" BEFORE and AFTER saying azzaaann. (call to prayer) Where did that come from??? ITS NOT IN HADITH OR QURAN? sure those are good words, but who told you to put in in front and after azzaan? Thats a big sin.
7. Going to some dead peers and noble men to ask for birth of child and other worldly things. ( daat-taa darrbaar and there are others in south asia as well.) BTW on Daat-taaa darbaar… It says very clearly bowing down to ANTHING other than allah and kabaa is haram… but ignorent people still do it <they actually bow(saajddaa) to that grave ). I my self have seen people kissing and ornamenting and bowing down to some old mans grave in my village when i was young. DO YOU CALL THAT TRUE ISLAM? DO YOU STILL CALL YOUR SELF FOLLOWERS OF REAL SUNNAH AND QURAN? ARE THINGS MENTIONED ABOVE MENTIONED IN QURAN OR HADITH AS WELL???
8. Giving out khaatam sharifs - what ever that is.
9. Saying that mohammad(pbh) knows the gaaib( the unseen) Saying that he has knowledge that only Allah has.
10. Making up SHIRKAANA “naahtts” about mohammad and other campanions and regarding them as MORE than Allah. (astaqfirullah) Here is an example of such insane and ignorent stupid act. understood that author or speaker is trying to show his or her love towards Mohammad(PBH) but degrading the true level of mohammad and putting him OVER allah is just too much shirk. ]

“Shaafee O Nafee ho tum; Kafee O waafee ho tum”
“dard ko kardo dawaa tum pe karoroN duruud”

“(You are sufficient, enough; adequate and abundant for us.)”
“(Yaa Rasulallah, please heal my pain; give remedy for my affliction a billion Salawat on thee)”

  1. Going on daarbaars(graves) and putting on fire, and music and bahangraa and dating when you people hold melas there. Where did this come from? ITS NOT IN HADITH OR QURAN. who said you can do that on graves? in cemetary? in kabar-estaan?**

Above are some ritualls that suunies in subcontinent do that are NOT part of islam. Lets see again if they can explain those 11 pionts.

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Jaawan

till next timeKeep_It_Simple_Stupid

Wise Man says:>What I say won’t really change anything, but what you say doesn’t really matter!

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Jawan, Do u get paid in Riyals or dollars? Well, its the same thing because Saudis kiss the American feet and Ask for help from America when Iraq attacks them. When Iraq attacked the wahabis of Kuwait and Saudia Arabia, those Wahabis went running towards America and asked for help saying "Ya-America madad". The wahabi hypocracy and double-standard can be seen here when they do not allow us to say "ya-rasool-allah (s.a.w) madad" but they can say "Ya-America madad". What kinda double-standard policy of Wahabis is that?
Muslim786.

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faceup, where is the proof of wahabies killing sunnies? where is the proof of them getting paid in riyals from saudies? where is the proof that they have told their fellow wahabies to kill all sunnies?

you are pulling this stuff from ur rear end and i think we shouldnt waste anymore time on a bunya scum bag like urself who is here to cause friction among muslims.

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Agree with mundaya…

Muslim786(by name)and his other nick names here…you guys are and have made islam harder just like talibans, you go on declaring fatwaaaa on everything, even kala-baag dam!!! You need to follow QURAN and hadith and STOP following the religion of your ancestors! They have put a hell in your hearts and its not going away that easy…well i have told and put forth message of god that is FOLLOW QURAN FOLLOW QURAN FOLLOW QURAN and sunnah of prophet mohammad(PBUH) Thats IT and stop following religion of hindus and your ancestors, and stop making as asses out of your self by putting BS on here. Get over it already.
You guys do something and creat things in islam, and when asked why do you do those, and who told you to do those, you do not answer. Cowards.

You hear this on every jummah atleast i do:

Every bid’ah is dalala and ever dalala is going to hell.
So dont creat things in islam and make it harder and more complicated and STOP creating hate among other muslims who are followers of REAL islam which is QURAN and SUNNAH of Prophet Mohammad(PBUH).

Make sure you read my post on bid’ah. AND learn from it. you will need it in your grave. Thank you have a nice gupshuTTT!

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Jaawan

till next timeKeep_It_Simple_Stupid

Wise Man says:>What I say won’t really change anything, but what you say doesn’t really matter!

[This message has been edited by Jaawan* (edited August 29, 2000).]

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Salam brothers and sisters,
Yes it is the aqeeda of Ahle-sunnah wal-jamaat that Prophet Mohammed (s.a.w) was created from "Noor" and he was NOT an ordinary man (ref: aqaid-e-ahle-sunnah by Mullah Saltoot Usmani).
and yes ahle-sunnah wal-jamaat do believe in Caliph or Imam being the religious authority

it is the Wahabi fitna of Talibans and Sipah Sahaba who disregard Caliphs and deny Khilafat. All ahle-sunnah youth should be careful of this fitna of Wahabis. These wahabis change names but they are the same. They sometimes come in the form of Sipah Sahaba, sometimes Talibans, sometimes Lashkar-e-Jhangvi. There only purpose is to exploit Islam and misguide our youth. These organizations first get our ahle-sunnah youth into their web and then blackmail them through money and threats. Their is a clear evidence that these organizations get paid by Sausi Wahabis to create differences among Muslims and also to divide ahle-sunnah wal jamaat.
wassalam,
Muslim786

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Salam brothers and sisters,
*note * Readers should check my conversation with Jawan in the section "Are wahabis enemies of Islam". Jawan is a liar . the last few posts in that section are a witness to his tuhmat (wrong blames ) on me. Astaghfirallah **
Wassalam,
Muslim786