The use of Cuttlery or a Dinning Table is not Haraam

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All Praise be to Allah,

Contrary to what some ignorant clerics say there is nothing wrong with using a knife and fork or other cuttlery for eating, infact it is said that the fork was first used in the Islamic World. What should be kept in mind however is that one uses the right hand for eating and left for cutting (as opposed to left for eating and right for cutting as in many countries) because there are narrations of the Prophet (S) which go as follows:

Once a man ate with his left hand in the Prophet’s (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) presence he (S) said, “Eat with your right hand.” He said, “I cannot.” He said, “May you never be able to!” Nothing was stopping him but his stubborn arrogance, and he never raised his right hand to his mouth after that. (Reported by Muslim, 3776)

“When any one of you eats, let him eat with his right hand, and when he drinks, let him drink with his right hand, because the Shaytaan eats with his left hand and drinks with his left hand.” (Reported by Muslim, 3764).

Eating with the left hand is bad table manners and forbidden in Islam.

There is also nothing wrong with eating at a chair and dinning table.

May the Peace & the Blessings of Allah be upon the Prophet, his Aal and his Companions.

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PS. The above is not a professional Fatwa but it is based on my knowledge of the Qur'aan and Sunnah.

I feel the need to open posts like this because a lot of Mullah's in Pakistan nowadays have taken it upon themselves to declare Haraam what Allaah and His Rasool (S) did not declare Haraam.

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Considering those much bigger messes being spread by Mullahs, this cutlery thing is not a problem. Moreover how many times people go to Mullah before starting to eat with cutlery?

We do have some dimwits at our family get togethers who insist on eating with hands. So we let them, and even kids think they are dimwits. However the table place settings is complete with plates and spoons and knives and forks.

Oh BTW no ones allows them to use their hands in serving trays / dishes. So things are OK.

Some people think about the time of our Messenger pbuh and immediately bring a picture of an elderly man. Or much closer to home, you can understand how you think about your grand parents. You know how hard it is to think about a grand father in his youth. Because the very words "grand parents" evokes the feeling of old and weak, and out of fashion.

Many will be shocked to hear that our Messenger pbuh was a world traveler and he picked up the latest fashion and trends of his time from every region.

Why don't we forget that he was a trader and caravan merchant from his very early youth. From Yemen, to Syria, from UAE to Jiddah, from China to Europe, he had access to the latest clothing (silk, or cotton), fragrances / perfumes, latest in health foods, sweats and chocolates, coffee and tea etc. etc.

That's why in his youth, he pbuh was among the most good looking and "fashionable" men in Makkah. People were attracted to him for his neat, clean, and fashionable ways. He pbuh was the most sweat spoken, honest, and truthful young man.

So don't let any dimwit tell you that Messenger pbuh was some tablighi look-alike walking around in haggardi and unkempt appearance.

Think charismatic Jinnah's appearance and looks of 20th century and then think our Messenger pbuh in 7th century. Both of these men were honest, truthful, charismatic, and above all "fashionable".

Let me clarify before Jihadi crowd jumps in and starts saying that nauzbillah Jinnah was a messenger. No he was not. These examples are given to show the "human side" of the two leaders. That's all.

Hope this clarifies the point and yes continue enjoying your life with neat and clean ways in your habits.

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Table pay khana koi haram naheen. Aap ki marzi hai aap sunnat pay amal karain ya na karain.

Karain gay to sawab aur aap ka hi faida hai.

Jo bhi sunnat walay kaam hain wo Allah kay batay huway hain. Allah nain hamain banaya hai so he knows well about us.

I will explain this with this exampl.

Jaisay koi robot ya khilona banata hai to wo uska manual bhi deta hai kay wo kaisay kaam karayga khara ho ga to kia karna hai aur kis wajah say wo naheen chal skata hai. Uskay liaay kia ki ahtiaat karna chahyay. waghaira waghaira.

Bulkul ussi tarha Allah nain Quran as a manual not for whole human being but also for universe dia hai aur Muhammad SAWW ko unkay tariqay sikhanay kay liaay aur bananay kay liaay bhaija like practical and explaination.

So jis tarha baith kar khanay ka aur haath say khanay main hamaray aur hamaray jism kay liaay bay inteha fawaid hon gay is liaay aisa karnay ko kaha gia hai.

Agar hum ghor karain to us main bohat logics nazar aain gi per hum ghor hi naheen kartay.

Wo tamaam logics jub tuk dunia qaim rahay gi tub tuk kay liaay karaamad ho ga.

Yaqeenun hamara nizam e hazm zida achcha kaam karta ho ga neechay baith kar khanay say ya oar bhi kuch jo hamara chota zahan na soch sakta hai na samjh is liaay kay hum ghoar kartay hi naheen.

Seedhay haath say khanay ki logic to mujhay yay samajh ati hai kay ultay haath say hum istunja kartay hain to seedha haat use karna achcha hai.

Yani ultay haath ko gunday kaam aur safai kay liaay aur seedhay haath ko achchay aur saaf kaam liaay.

Jaisa kay saray hukm hain khanay kay aur us kay adab quran aur hadees ki roo say to mera naheen khiaal hai kay hum ko itni bemariaan lahaq ho aur hamari sayhat kharab ho.

Table pay khana ya kantay chamamach say khana ya ultay haath say khana haram naheen laikin agar sunnat pay amal kar lain to kia jata hai faida hi hai nuqsaan naheen.

Hadith main us kay jhoot bolnay ki saza mili ussay.

I read that hadees before.

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burqaposh, you'll be surprised how many Mullah's look down on things like cuttlery or wearing a tie and they give ridiculous reasons, it's sad how many people fall for what they say.

I tell the Mullah's straight up, no Mullah is a guide for me, my Guide is God and His Messenger (PBUH), if a Mullah says something with Daleel (Proof) from God and Hid Prophet (PBUH) then I'll accept it "Sar Aankho Par" and I'll restpect that Mullah for showing me the light but they can take their personal views somewhere else and don't have a right to pass it iff as Islam.

I find it hard to read Roman Urdu so I'm sorry I skimmed through your post.

A few points I'd like to highlight in the bit I quoted.

First you are right when you say eating with chamach etc. at table is not Haraam but you are wrong when you say eating with ulta hand is not Haraam (Refer to the Hadith I posted).

Either we become extremists and start inventing rules or we go to the other extreme and ignore the established rules, middle path my friend...

Heera Ji we have the Quran and the Sunnah (recorded in the Sihah Sittah or the Six Collections of narration).

Study and learn the sciences of both these for yourself, so that when a Mullah gives you something from Bahishti-This and Nisaab-That you know what is to be accepted and what is to go to the trash can.

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That's the way to go. Best wishes.

That's right.

We all should remember that certain things of today's lives will not be found in Ahadees.

Thus we must look to other societies of today to find the solutions. It is not that Ahadeesh nauzbillah are incomplete or something. The issue is that ahadees were written in a life that existed 1400 years ago.

And back then, the systems were much simpler. Let's take the case of a very basic necessity i.e. water.

From Hazrat Adam till now, people need clean water to use daily and they need a way to get rid of some of that water after use. Thus the supply of clean water and disposal of sewage is the key to survival of any society.

If you go back to the life of Makkah, there were no water pipes bringing clean water to every home and taking away sewage to a treatment plant. So you will not find any hadees dealing with water system. Instead you have to go to Western societies to figure out the best way to deal with a simple thing like water.

The same thing is true with food. it was much simpler back then. So you will not find many ahadees that can guide you in food production. Thus you have to go to the Western countries to learn about genetic engineering and other methods of modern food production.

If the basic necessities like food and water cannot be governed by ahadees, then you can well imagine how many other things of modern life would be absent from there.

And that's just OK. Ahadees represent human knowledge and wisdom as it existed in 7th century.

Both Quran and Ahadees urge us to learn new things and adapt to new challenges. Thus the Muslim youth should go forth with optimism, and quest for leaning and adopting new things. All the while retaining the basic unchanged values like speaking truth, being tolerant, being honest, and being clean and modern.