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The New York Times

Wednesday, September 12, 2012 -- 1:16 PM EDT

Obama Administration Officials Say Attack in Libya May Have Been Planned

The Obama administration suspects that the fiery attack in Libya that killed the American ambassador and three other diplomats may have been planned rather than a spontaneous mob getting out of control, American officials said Wednesday.

Officials in Washington studying the events of the past 24 hours have focused on the differences between the protests on the American embassy in Cairo and the attack on the consulate in Benghazi, the Libyan city where Ambassador J. Christopher Stevens and the other Americans were killed.

The protesters in Cairo appeared to be a genuinely spontaneous unarmed mob angered by an anti-Islam video produced in the United States. By contrast, it appeared the attackers in Benghazi were armed with mortars and rocket-propelled grenades. Intelligence reports are inconclusive at this point, officials said, but indications suggest the possibility that an organized group had either been waiting for an opportunity to exploit like the protests over the video or perhaps even generated the protests as a cover for their attack.

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This is so terrible, hatred breeds more hatred. The film was made by few but the protestors are many in number. May God grant them all much needed wisdom.

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The attack happened on Sep. 11. I think the protests in Egypt have been conflated with this attack.

People talking about "image of Islam" - as if that's all there is to Islam - need to relax, or focus their discussion on the much more typical burn-a-flag reaction in Egypt. This is most likely something different.

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And by 'they' I sincerely hope you mean the Libyan government/coalition/whatever they are.

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It will also be telling how far the American response goes with respect to side stepping the Libyan establishment to do whatever they wish to do (as they do in Pakistan).

Without the attackers stepping forward and identifying themselves, there is no way to gauge either how far the Libyans can go to bring those responsible to justice, or how restrained any American response, (presuming there will be one), is.

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Are you kidding? This is a matter of free speech that is non-negotiable. I was reading comments on WSJ website & someone said that west should consider limiting immigration from the Muslim countries because they (muslims) clearly have hard time understanding things like right to free speech & I couldn't agree more. If your religious sentiments are hurt grow a thick skin, don't watch a movie and don't kill people. When you do things like that it does not help you, your cause or your religious beliefs, but it does makes you look like a raging lunatic.

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^ agreed. I am not rejoicing that murder of UN ambassador. I am just indifferent to it.
My point was only that for Zionists, every goyim is a fair game. It's not a justification of anything. This statement is independent of what those terrorists did. It is ridiculous to expect every non Muslim to respect and honor Islam.

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Totally agree. I haven't even heard of this movie until this obscure cleric in Egypt had so much free time that he was surfing on youtube and stumbled across it.

I watched the movie, it looks like a bad SNL skit.

But I am not going to go crazy and murder Americans after watching it.

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^^
Could not agree with you more. It is very important that people realize that God is above these silly things. If a dog barks at you cant bark back at the dog.

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BTW, it is encouraging to see that no Pakistani reactionary group is out on streets shouting slogans and ransacking our own property.

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Libya killings show U.S. at risk in Arab world - CNN.com

Interesting read. But even more interesting is that while the author mentioned the risk, he did not suggest what US should do about it.

Or may be I am wrong here. The author did say that the gravest concern is that US Israel relations are deteriorating due to Iran. In other words, he is suggesting that US should give up its “appeasement” of Arabs, and work with Israel to strike Iran (even though Iran is not Arab).

Zionists find a way to condemn Iran and support Israel in the most unrelated incidences. What does Iran has to do with a seemingly al Qaeda related attack in an Arab country?

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Seems to be a political ploy, an Egyptian Christian was promoting the video in Arabic, no wonder it was received violently in the Arab world.

How did obscure hate film earn global wrath? - Features - Al Jazeera English

How did an obscure film titled either “Innocence of Muslims” or “The Real Life of Muhammed” lead to the emotional and violent ramifications playing out now in Egypt, Libya, Tunisia and other places in the Muslim world?

It was first posted on YouTube by a user called “sam bacile” in July 2012, and has to date received about 450,000 views.

The trailer began to receive more attention this month. On September 4, the same user posted a version dubbed in Arabic, which has since garnered tens of thousands of views.

**Morris Sadek, an Egypt-born Coptic Christian who lives in the US, told the Associated Press he had been promoting the film on his website. He also tweeted a link to the trailer on September 9.

Sadek, who serves as head of the National American Coptic Assembly, is known for his vehemently anti-Islam views. He told the Wall Street Journal that “the violence that it [the film] caused in Egypt is further evidence of how violent the religion and people are”.

Terry Jones, the Florida pastor whose burning of copies of the Quran in 2011 spurred riots across the Muslim world leading to several deaths, also reportedly promoted the film.

The Arabic version of the trailer received heavy media coverage in Egypt last week, including by controversial hardline TV host Khaled Abdallah, who reported on the film on September 8.

A clip of the show was posted to YouTube on September 9, where it has received almost 400,000.

“The operation behind this film appears to be extreme Egyptian Copts who want to discredit the Morsi government and create a provocation,” journalist Max Blumenthal told Al Jazeera on Wednesday.**

**“They oppose the revolution and are aligned with Christian right groups who have an apocalyptic, theocratic agenda and who are inciting against Muslim-Americans,” Blumenthal said.

“They put Muslims in the US in danger, they put Copts in Egypt in danger, and they’re putting US diplomats in danger.”
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YouTube clip blocked

The Afghan government on Wednesday temporarily blocked YouTube in an effort to discourage people from watching the clip. YouTube also blocked the video in Egypt, according to news agency reports.

In a statement issued on Wednesday,YouTube said: "We work hard to create a community everyone can enjoy and which also enables people to express different opinions. This can be a challenge because what’s OK in one country can be offensive elsewhere.

"This video, which is widely available on the web, is clearly within our guidelines and so will stay on YouTube. However, given the very difficult situation in Libya and Egypt we have temporarily restricted access in both countries.

“Our hearts are with the families of the people murdered in [Tuesday’s] attack in Libya.”

Observers say Google has grown more averse to removing videos. After acquisition of YouTube in 2006, it was accused of censorship in several high-profile controversies.

“They’re squeezed on all sides,” said Rebecca MacKinnon, a fellow at the New America Foundation. “But because of pressure from a lot of people who feel they made the wrong decisions, they now generally err on the side of keeping things up.”

In recent years, Google has used technology to filter out videos in certain countries to comply with local regulations.

Riots sparked

The trailer for the film has been cited as the cause for riots at US diplomatic posts in Egypt and Libya.

Even so, the existence of the purported filmmaker, Sam Bacile, allegedly a 52-year-old Israeli-American real estate developer, has yet to be proven.

In interviews with the AP and the Wall Street Journal, a man calling himself “Sam Bacile” said he had raised about $5m to produce the film. He also was quoted describing Islam as “a cancer”, and claimed he had raised money from “about 100 Jewish donors” to make the video.

The interview subject did not give the same age during his two known press interviews. He told the AP he was 56.

The man said the amateur, two-hour-long film had involved dozens of actors and was produced in California in 2011. New reports found no prior social media presence by the director or any International Movie Database page for the film.

**In an interview with the AP, Nakoula Basseley Nakoula, a 55-year old Coptic Christian from California said he was involved in the production of the film, but that he did not direct it.
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Although Nakoula denies he is the same person as “Sam Bacile”, the cell phone number used to call “Bacile” was traced to an address near Los Angeles where the AP found Nakoula.

**Nakoula has also reportedly used several aliases, including Nicola Bacily and Erwin Salameh.

In 2010, he pleaded no contest to charges of bank fraud in California. He was sentenced to 21 months in prison and ordered to pay more than $790,000 in restitution.
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The director of the California Film Commission, which issues permits for films that are shot in the state, told the Huffington Post that no permit was ever granted to anyone by the name “Sam Bacile”.

‘Desert Warrior’

**The trailer for the film, the full version of which is so far unavailable to the public, portrays Islam’s Prophet Muhammad as a fraud and a womaniser, and depicts him having sex. The entire film has only been shown once in public, at a theatre in Hollywood, said the source who identified himself as Bacile.

He also explained he made the film because “after 9/11 everybody should be in front of the judge. Even Jesus, even Muhammad", according to the AP.

Actors who participated in the filming have emerged to say they had no idea the film was even about Muhammad or Islam. The original casting call was reportedly for a film called “Desert Warrior” by director Alan Roberts.
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Reports indicate that all the film’s religious references were actually dubbed after the original shooting.

Bacile is now reportedly in hiding. Reports suggest the name is merely cover for a larger group, or a pseudonym for someone who may be neither Israeli nor Jewish, but who cited such an identify to inflame sectarian tensions.

One of the actresses who says she was tricked into being in the film says Bacile told her on set that he was Egyptian, and that he spoke Arabic to other men present.

Reuters has reported that Egypt’s Coptic Orthodox church issued a statement condemning some Egyptian Christians living aboard who it said had financed “the production of a film insulting Prophet Muhammad”.

In Egypt and Libya, public anger at the video spilled over on Tuesday, leading to the death of the US ambassador in Benghazi, Libya and the evacuation of embassy workers in Cairo.

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An interesting observation.

US ambassador was killed in Benghazi, which was the capital of anti Qaddafi forces during civil war. Of course, those forces had open support of America and its sycophants.
Now Qaddafi always maintained that his opposers belonged to al Qaeda. Nobody believed him at that time. But today Americans are saying themselves that people who killed the ambassador in Benghazi belonged to al Qaeda!

Americans can befriend a devil when it benefits them. I can give many other example of this.

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Does the current situation in Iraq and Libya vindicate the way Qaddafi and Saddam Hussain were keeping the country under control through sheer power and subjugation of the populace?

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This is also a case of incitement. This was the desired reaction of those who made the film, and so I wouldn't doubt if legally they bear some responsibility for what happens. It takes a first class retard to hide behind free speech when making such a film.

People who want to limit Muslim immigration are typically far right nut jobs, who think Halal meat is a conspiracy to undermine democracy. No sense paying any heed to them. If this becomes the predominant opinion, then sorry, that simply means the bulk of society have become far right nut jobs. And if free speech is such a paramount value, movies like this don't really promote the cause. If anything, it shows how hollow and vapid it's become if this is what it is producing...

What's incredible is the reaction of protesting in the first place...if anything, given the hardline stance of such people, these kinds of movies should be expected as an everyday occurrence in this part of the world. It isn't...so that should speak volumes to the conservative masses on where America as a whole stands...

It's getting tiring to have some third rate mullah take some obscure incident that nobody was even paying attention to, and inciting a mob using it. The mob invariably don't even have coherent demands. They just use it as an excuse to burn things...I simply don't get it. And so too must the inciters on this side of the fence be held responsible.

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Some analysts are suggesting that this premeditated attack on US embassy happened on anniversary of 9/11. So it might have been unrelated to this incendiary movie. Instead it may have more to do with 9/11 anniversary.

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It's a déjà vu all over again. Lunatic mobs, getting "offended" and going ruthlessly on a rampage, burning, destroying, and killing mercilessly once more. What also makes all this all the more appalling and saddening is the loss of Ambassador Stevens, a brave and an extraordinary person, who decades ago started his career as a teacher and volunteer in Morocco and breathed his last in the same region he cared so deeply about. He was serving his country of course but also striving for a better future for Libyans who managed to finally get rid of their madman dictator thanks in no small part to Western and American assistance, assistance in which Mr. Stevens himself was personally and passionately involved. The loss of this hero, along with that of the other three public servants who died alongside him, is a great and irrevocable loss not just for Americans but for also for reasonable and peace-loving Libyan majority and others.

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If an Christian Egyptian is behind this movie, this could start a civil war in Egypt as the Muslims will start attacking the Christians.

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Nothing new here.

Arabs being Arabs.

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I think, US under president Obama has shown more respect to respecitive govenments than the past administrations. In this particualr juncture too, he did not jump the gun like Romney. However, Libiyan govenment is having trouble handling these groups. In fact their biggest problem is identifying the enemy. It is a well known fact, that Libiya supplied good number of fighters in to Al Qaida in both Iraq and Afghanistan. It is possible that they have not joined hands with remanents of Gadaffi forces. Therefore Libiyan government needs American help to go after these people. In another country it may not make much difference whether the attackers are punished or not, but US, especaillay in an electioWhn year it is important.

Having said that, I am surpised to see how easy it is for one moran to kick up a strom like this (remember WW-I started with killing of an Archduke). On the other hand, I hope more and more such nonsense may make Muslims see the ploy behind such acts and not go berserk, every time this happens.