Should the US support an independent Balochistan? - Opinion - Al Jazeera English
Supposedly this is is our ally. And not only that these are the people who supposedly want our best interests at heart. Dismembering the country seems to be in our best interest it seems. The question remains even after all of this why are there Pakistanis who religiously worship our relationship with the US?
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This was bound to happen at some stage, for the Americans their interests are more important, not Pakistan.
Having said that, I hope the recent resolution could serve to give vision/strength to the military/politicians to make decisions in favour of the country.
The Balochistan the Americans are envisaging now encompasses the areas between Karachi and strait of Hormuz through which 70 % of the world oil flows, therefore doing that they will control the world oil routes, the gas/oil pipelines will pass through Balochistan, and then the minerals available in the province will be an added advantage.
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Obviously they consider their interests first. But the question remains why are so many people wedded to the idea that the Americans are our allies and not our enemies. A country that openly states they wish we would be dismembered can not be considered anything but an nemesis.
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^should we call it 'The Power of Dollar' which dazzles every politician and general..
and this makes the US our ally..
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Unless the belief is changed that power could only come through Washington's blessings, politicians will continue to worship US, come what may.
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Sadly its not only the politicians.
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امريکہ بلوچستان کی خود ارادیت کے لئے کسی بھی قسم کی سفارتی حمايت نہیں فراہم کررہا ہےاصل میں، ہم ایک مضبوط، متحد اور مستحکم پاکستان کے لئے پاکستان کے لوگوں اور پاکستان کی حکومت کی حمایت کر رہے ہیں. ایک مستحکم اور خوشحال پاکستان ہمارے بہترین مفاد میں ہے**. يہ عجيب بات ہے کہ ايک طرف آپ ایک امریکی کانگریس کے رکن کے نقطہ نظر کو بڑے کھلے دل سے قبول کرتے ہیں ليکن دوسری جانب امریکی محکمہ خارجہ جو سرکاری طور پر وائٹ ہاوس سميت امريکی حکومت کی اجتماعی حیثیت سے نمائیند گی کرتی ہے کے بيان کو مسترد کرتے ہیں۔ ہم نے يہ واضع طور پر کہا ہے کہ امريکہ پاکستان کی علاقائی سالمیت کا احترام کرتا ہے. امریکی کانگریس خارجہ امور کے متعلق بہت سے موضوعات پر سماعت کرتی ہے اور ان سماعتوں کا مطلب یہ نہیں ہے کہ امريکی صدر اوبامہ يا وزیر خارجہ کلنٹن يا ديگر کانگرس کے اراکين اس پالیسی کی حمایت کرتے ہيں۔**
ذوالفقار – ڈيجيٹل آؤٹ ريچ ٹيم – يو ايس اسٹيٹ ڈيپارٹمينٹ
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^ Trusting US is like trusting a snake that it won't bite you. I am sorry, can't be more polite!
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ميں نے کبھی آپ کو يہ نہیں کہا کہ ہمارے ساتھ اتفاق کريں اور ميں نے کبھی بھی امريکی حکومت کی حمايت حاصل کرنے کے ليے کوشش نہیں کی۔ اگر يقين نہيں تو آپ ميری تمام پوسٹنگز ديکھ لیں اور پھر سچائ کے ساتھ خود فيصلہ کريں۔
میرا کام متعلقہ ايشو کے بارے ميں امریکی حکومت کے موقف کی سرکاری طور پر وضاحت کرنا ہے۔ ہم نے واضع طور پر کہا ہے کہ ہم ايک آزاد بلوچستان کی حمايت نہیں کرتے۔ امريکی حکومت ايک متحد، مستحکم، خوشحال اور محفوظ پاکستان کی خواہاں ہے
ذوالفقار – ڈيجيٹل آؤٹ ريچ ٹيم – يو ايس اسٹيٹ ڈيپارٹمينٹ
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Tell me one thing Zulfiqar, did the US ever try to find out why it is so vigorously hated in Pakistan? Or alternatively, why China is so religiously revered by Pakistanis?
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this plan of US from long time ago to separate pakistan in independent provinces divide and rule is old imperial trick and they trying in pakistan now!
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Disclaimer: I don't know the whole Balachistan situation other than the few articles I read here & there on Dawn & other Pakistani news sites + twitter feeds.
My Questions are: (1) If we support an independent Kashmir or at least a right to self determination for Kashmir, why would we be against it as far as Balouch are concerned.
(2) What steps can be taken by Pakistani government & especially Pakistani Military that the people of Baluchistan, who are Pakistanis too, feel they are getting their due rights & Pakistan stays united?
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^ Kashmir and Balochistan are two different stories altogether.
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ميرا آپ سے ايک سوال ہے۔ کيا 80 کی دہائ ميں جب امريکہ افغانستان میں سويت فوج کے مقابلے ميں مجاہدين کی مدد کر رہا تھا تو کيا پاکستان ميں امريکہ مخالف جذبات کی شدت ميں کوئ کمی آئ تھی؟ جہاں تک مجھے ياد پڑتا ہے سب سے مشہور امريکہ مخالف نعرہ “امريکہ کا جو يار ہے – غدار ہے، غدار ہے” اسی دور ميں منظر عام پر آيا تھا جب امريکہ ايک جارح فوج کے مقابلے ميں ايک مسلمان ملک کی مدد کر رہا تھا۔
**جہاں تک آپ کا يہ سوال ہے کہ پاکستانی امريکہ سے نفرت کيوں کرتے ہيں تو اس کے ليے آپ پاکستان کی کسی بھی سياسی جماعت کی اعلی قيادت کا جائزہ لےليں، وہ ہر پبلک فورم اور ہر عوامی اجتماع ميں “امريکہ سے نفرت” کا ٹکٹ ضرور استعمال کرتے ہيں ليکن اس کے باوجود اپنے اور اپنے خاندان کے ليۓ وہ تمام آسائشيں ضرور سميٹتے ہيں جو امريکی معاشرہ اپنے ہر شہری کو ديتا ہے۔ امريکہ سے نفرت کے يہ نعرے محض عوام کی توجہ اپنی ناکاميوں سے ہٹانے کے ليے تخليق کيے جاتے ہيں۔ کسی بھی قوم کی تقدير کے ذمہ دار “بيرونی ہاتھ” نہيں بلکہ اس ملک کے سياستدان ہوتے ہيں جو اسمبليوں ميں جا کر قآنون سازی کے ذريعے اس ملک کی تقدير بناتے ہيں۔ **
يہی وجہ ہے کہ 1985 سے لے کر اب تک آپ کوئ بھی اسمبلی اٹھا کر ديکھ ليں، کوئ بھی سياسی جماعت اپنے کسی منشور، پروگرام اور عوامی بہبود کے کسی منصوبے کے ليے عوام کے سامنے جوابدہ نہيں کيونکہ تمام تر مسائل کا ذمہ دار تو امريکہ ہے۔
اور يہ بھی ايک حقيقت ہے کہ امريکہ سے نفرت کرنے سے پہلے آپ کو وہ تمام مالی امداد نظرانداز کرنا ہو گی جو امريکہ نے پچھلے 60 برسوں کے دوران تعمير وترقی کے ضمن ميں پاکستان کو دی ہے۔ اسی طرح سال 2005 کے زلزلےاور 2010 کے سیلاب کے بعد امريکہ کی طرف سے دی جانے والی امداد، فوجی سازوسامان اور سکالرشپس بھی نظر انداز کرنا ہوگی۔ يقينی طور پر اگر آپ ان تاريخی حقائق کو نظرانداز کر ديں تو پھر امريکہ سے نفرت کرنے ميں حق بجانب ہيں۔
ذوالفقار – ڈيجيٹل آؤٹ ريچ ٹيم – يو ايس اسٹيٹ ڈيپارٹمينٹ
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^ Kashmir and Balochistan are two different stories altogether.
Ok. Maybe. Maybe Qubeec & Canada or Tamil within Sri Lanka or Taiwan & China are better analogies.
What about my second question?
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aap ne kaha aur ham ne maan liya, US jhoot to kabhi bolta hi nahi :chai:
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Ok. Maybe. Maybe Qubeec & Canada or Tamil within Sri Lanka or Taiwan & China are better analogies.
What about my second question?
A better analogy would be the NEAs of India where separatists want to do away with central indian rule.
PS Indik acting as a typical indik.
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this plan of US from long time ago to separate pakistan in independent provinces divide and rule is old imperial trick and they trying in pakistan now!
Captain Exclamation Mark strikes again!
Sadly its not only the politicians.
That's interesting. Almost everyone I've talked to abhors US imperialism. Can you elaborate on what people have said regarding support of America?
Disclaimer: I don't know the whole Balachistan situation other than the few articles I read here & there on Dawn & other Pakistani news sites + twitter feeds.
My Questions are: (1) If we support an independent Kashmir or at least a right to self determination for Kashmir, why would we be against it as far as Balouch are concerned.
(2) What steps can be taken by Pakistani government & especially Pakistani Military that the people of Baluchistan, who are Pakistanis too, feel they are getting their due rights & Pakistan stays united?
2) is very important. You can't presume to rule over people if they feel like they have no representation in the government.
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Whats the reason for this mistrust between Pakistan and America? And if the Pakistani politicians say one thing to the Americans and something else to the public, then why do they still trust the politicians? Besides do you think that by slapping sanctions on Pakistan after the war vindicated the people who were chanting “America ka jo yaar hay” in the 1980’s?
The mistrust between Pakistan and US has always been there, there is a feeling in the general public that the Americans just use them for their own interests and discard them when the interest is met. In 1979 they needed Pakistan to defeat the Russians in Afghanistan, Pakistan was used and when the objective was achieved plessler amendment was slapped on Pakistan.
After 2001 again the Americans needed Pakistan and they forced Pakistan to start unplanned and ill thought out operations in its country through which we are still reeling. More than 35000 dead and counting. Since the Americans have not been able to achieve their targets some have started Pakistan a scapegoat again.
Read the history of Afghanistan and the Pakistani tribal areas again.
I don’t know what the deal is with the drone attacks between American and Pakistani government, but any such action that gives an iota of evidence of American interference in Pakistani sovereignty again creates gulf between Pakistani people and the Americans.
For a change think about other countries and not about American strategic interests, the view of pakistanis and others towards the Americans might change.
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Disclaimer: I don't know the whole Balachistan situation other than the few articles I read here & there on Dawn & other Pakistani news sites + twitter feeds.
My Questions are: (1) If we support an independent Kashmir or at least a right to self determination for Kashmir, why would we be against it as far as Balouch are concerned.
(2) What steps can be taken by Pakistani government & especially Pakistani Military that the people of Baluchistan, who are Pakistanis too, feel they are getting their due rights & Pakistan stays united?
Its a tricky situation. Self-determination is one of those issues that gains acceptance by the international community due to its historical nature. There is no other difference between Kashmir and Balochistan. Kashmir is a 60 year old issue. Balochistan is a 6 year old issue. Not the same traction. Its like ETA in Spain or the Kurds. Both are self-determination movements but are not treated the same way as Kashmir, Western Sahara, Tibet or anything else.
The Pakistani military has ****ed it up. They are the reason the Baloch feel they want independence.