The Ultimat and Final Proves about Tawassul From the Four Schools!!!

Ahmad_G · December 28, 2000, 12:19pm

The Ultimat and Final Proves about Tawassul From the Four Schools. Insha’llah it will be sufficient to clear any confusion.

Brother and sister know that there’s no true proves that it’s unlawful to make tawassul by the Prophets, whether during their time or after their death by the claim that ‘it’s worshipping other than Allah’ because it is not a worship by just calling onto the alive or dead (such as saying Ya Muhammad) nor by asking other than Allah for help (Such as saying O Allah help me by the virtue of the Prophet) nor just by visiting the grave of the Prophet with the intention of tabarruk (As sahabah, and scholars did, and such as done by every pilgrim and visitor to al-Madinah).

For, the word worship does not apply on these doings according to the linguistics because the worship according to them is: “The worship with Khudu^ (worship with total submission)”. Azhary who is from the high linguistics said as reported from az-Zajjaj who’s most famous among the linguistics: “(Ibadah) Worship according to the language of the Arabs is the worship with piety with ultimate submission (Tathallul – At-Ta^ah with Khudu^) and similarly said by Al Fara’, and some said: “Worship is the ultimate submission (al^Ibadah Aqsa Ghayat Al Khushu^ wal Khudu^) and some said: (((“The total submission”.)))

So how could one, whom has no knowledge, say that if one makes tawassul by the Prophet Sallallahu ^alayhi wassallam, he would become a mushrik because he worshipped other than Allah?! And we have clarified that worship according to the Islamic linguistics that (^Ibadah) is the total submission, and we do not think that any of the Muslims that make tawassul by the Prophet Sallallahu ^alayhi wassallam, that they are worshipping him or that they believe that he Muhammad is Who makes harm reach to whomever He wills and benefit to whomever He wills but what we believe in them is that they believe in Allah as the true One Who makes harm reach to whomever He willed and benefit to whomever He willed (daar and nafi^) but they make tawassul by the Prophet for his great and high status to Allah, and that’s what was understood by the sahabah and the true salaf from at-tawassul for that they used to make tawassul by the Prophet sallallahu ^alayhi wa sallam and the scholars after them affirmed its permissibility.

So the one who makes du^a by the virtue of the Prophet sallallahu ^alayhi wa sallam, that is permissible it is not shirk (partnering with Allah), so Muslim brother and sister do not look or care about those who blaspheme people because they ask Allah by the virtue of the Prophet sallallahu ^alayhi wa sallam. And here are the proves on what we are saying.

Prooves for the permissibility of Tawassul with refrences from the books of the scholars and four schools with page numbers to make it easy for you:

And the proof on the permissibility of tawassul by the Prophet sallallahu ^alayhi wa sallam what was mentioned In Al-Mu^jam Al-Kabir and Al-Mu^jam As-Saghir (Check these famous books Al Mu^jam Al-Kabir and As-Saghir), Imam at-Tabaraniyy related the hadith about the Prophet from the route of ^Uthman Ibn Hunayf who was in a circle with the Prophet when a blind man came to address Prophet Muhammad, sallallahu alayhi wa sallam:
The blind man addressed the Prophet by saying, “O Prophet of Allah, ask Allah for me to cure my blindness.” The Prophet replied by saying, “If you wish, you would be patient with your calamity, and if you wish, I will ask Allah to cure your blindness.”

However, the blind man told the Prophet: “The loss of my sight is a great hardship for me, and there is no one near to guide me around.”
At this moment, the Prophet ordered the man to go to the place where al-wudu’ would be performed, perform alwudu’, pray two rak^ah, end his salat by saying as-salamu ^alaykum, and then say the following words: (The Du^a’ contains tawassul to the Prophet with word “Ya Muhammad as well”.

This is what the hadith means: <<O Allah, I ask You, and I direct myself to You in supplication by our Prophet Muhammad, the Prophet of Mercy. O Muhammad, I direct myself to Allah by you, so my need [here the specific need is mentioned] would be fulfilled.>> The blind man went and did as the PROPHET ORDERED. Shortly thereafter, he returned to the Prophet’s session with his blindness cured. The references are there! At-Tabaraniyy is a fomous scholar and Al Mu^jam Al-Kabeer and As-Sagheer are known to every knowledgable Muslim! Does anyone find this not a reference! Was this hadith made up?. I will be waiting for responses specifically to this hadith and each other Hadith that follows.

Then, after the death of the Prophet, and during the time of the caliphate of ^Uthman Ibn ^Affan, a man came to ^Uthman Ibn Hunayf. This man complained to ^Uthman Ibn Hunayf about a matter which he needed to be fulfilled through the caliph, but which was not being fulfilled. ^Uthman Ibn Hunayf ordered the man to go to the place where al-wudu’ would be performed, perform al-wudu’, perform two rak^ah, and after saying assalam to say the following words: 'O Allah, I ask You and I direct myself to You in supplication (((by our Prophet Muhammad))), the Prophet of Mercy. (((O Muhammad))), I direct myself to Allah (((by you))), so my need [specify need] would be fulfilled.
^Uthman Ibn Hunayf told him to return after doing this, and they would go together to the caliph. This man went and performed what ^Uthman Ibn Hunayf ordered him to do. However, instead of returning to ^Uthman Ibn Hunayf, he elected to go on his own to the caliph–which he did. When he reached the door of the caliph, the gateman took him by the hand to the caliph. ^UTHMAN IBN ^AFFAN sat him on a carpet next to him and asked him, “What is your need that you wanted fulfilled? I forgot all about it until just now.” The man informed the caliph about his need, which he fulfilled after the making the du^a’. The caliph told him, “Whenever you have a need, come to me and I will satisfy it for you.”
At-Tabaraniyy said: “And The Hadith is Sahaih” That means it has the status of accuracy. What is this called?! Isn’t this a reference? Now, one needs to, if not certain, check the saying of at-Tabaraniyy in his great books!.

Wallahu 'a^lam.

[This message has been edited by Ahmad G (edited December 28, 2000).]

Ahmad_G · December 28, 2000, 12:24pm

Muslim Brother and sister, here’s more proves from the Scholars of the FOUR SCHOOLS which prove that Tawassul is permissible and the millions of Muslims that do it are not mushriks as some say. The proves are fully referenced with Name of scholar, book and page ! what more would anyone need.

The Hanafy Madhhab (School – set of laws):
In the book “Al-Fatawa al-Hindiyyah Volume 1/266, the book al-Manasik, Under the title: Conclusion of visiting the grave of the Prophet Sallallahu ^alayhi wa sallam, after he mentioned how the visit is, and manners of the visitor of the grave of the Prophet Sallallahu ^alayhi wa sallam, he mentioned the supplications that the visitor would say, and he said: “He (The visitor) stands close to the head of the prophet Sallallahu ^alayhi wa sallam and he would say: “O Allah you said and your say is the truth (and he mentioned this ayah)
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And we came to you listening to your say obedient to your command, (((making tawassul (Mustashfi^een) by your Prophet))) to you” The End. This means we make tawassul by the Prophet to you O Allah.

The Maliky Madhhab:
Sheikh Ibn al-Hajj al-malikiyy whose known for his strength in the negation of the innovations, in his book al-Madkhal, 1/259-260 he said: “(((THE TAWASSUL by him Sallallahu ^alayhi wa sallam))) is the place where to take off the masses of bad deeds and the weighty loads of sins, because (((the Barakah of seeking tawassul by him Sallallahu ^alayhi wa sallam is great to Allah))) and no sin exeeds it, for, it is the greatest of all, so let the one who visits him and who doesn’t visit him know that, and let him seek Allah Ta^ala (((by the Shafa^ah of his Prophet))) may peace and blessings be upon him. O Allah (((grant us his Shafa^ah for his high rank))) to You, Ameen o lord of the worlds, and whomever believes in the opposite of this, he would be losing (the endownment of tawassul)”

The Shafi^iy Madhhab:
Imam An-Nawawiyy said in “al-Majmoo^” 8 / 274, the book “description of pilgrimage”, under the title (((“Visiting the grave of the Messenger Sallallahu ^alayhi wa sallam”))) he said: “Than he (the pilgrim) returns to his first position facing the face of the Prophet of Allah Sallallahu ^alayhi wa sallam (((and he makes tawassul by him))) (((by his virtue and he seeks shafa^ah by him))) (Sallallahu ^alayhi wa sallam) to his lord” The end of the saying of An-Nawawiyy. Please check these references on the mentioned book, volume and page number. Shafa^ah (intersession) linguistically means: Seeking help from others to others. There are the Shafi^iees also teaching us how to make tawassul as well.

The Hanbaly Madhhab (Whom as claimed by the ones who say tawassul is forbidden –wahabies-, claim that he is their imam:
Imam Ahmad ibn Hanbal said tawassul is lawful as Imam al-Mardawy reported from him in “al-Insaf” 2/456 Book “Salat al-Istisqa’” he said: “and from it (meaning from the benefits) it’s (((perimissible to make tawassul by the pious man))) who’s righteous on the madhhab, and it has been said: it’s (((recommended))), Imam Ahmad said to al-marwathy: “(((He makes tawassul by the Prophet))) Sallallahu ^alayhi wa sallam in his supplication, and he affirmed it in al-Mustaw^ib and others”. Imam Ahmad Bin Hanbal is one of our great four schools that affirmed that it is permissible to make tawassul by the Prophet and by the pious man to Allah, if those four Madhhahib said in the permissibility of tawassul, what kind of sense would it be to leave these four schools and follow only the wahaby madhhab?!! they are the ONLY sect that makes it impermissible.

These are the four schools whom clarified the issue of tawassul all as one say, they all agreed on this Islamic issue, so Muslim brother follow these great scholars, those who chose to follow the route of the Prophet Sallallahu ^alayhi wa sallam, and do not lose the reward and value of making tawassul by the beloved Al-Mustafa Sallallahu ^alayhi wa ^ala Alihy wa Sahbihy wa sallam and on those who follow them.

And to add more to your certainty and as a benefit to you and to increase the clarifications of the permissibility of tawassul by the Prophet Sallallahu ^alayhi wa sallam and that it’s done by many of the scholars of Islam, I will mention some of the famous scholars that made tawassul by the Prophet Sallallahu ^alayhi wa sallam in their books along with the references in brief (Please if not sure, check references):

1- The seal of the linguistics al-Hafith Murtada az-Zabidy al-Hanafy he said in conclusion of “Taj Al^aroos” as he made supplication: “…We ask (((By Muhammad and his kind and pure Al)))”

2- Sheikh Ibn Hajar al-Haythamiyy as-Shafi^iyy said in the conclusion of his book “Tuhfat Az-Zuwwar Ila Qabr al-Mukhtar” (his book: The preciousness for the visitors of the grave of the great Prophet) as he was making supplication: “May Allah let us and those who read this book die with happiness and goodness and may He grant us Paradise in a great place (((by the virtue of the master of Prophets))) (Sallallahu ^alayhi wa sallam)”.

3- The great scholar al-Fayoumiyy said in the conclusion of his book: “al-Misbah al-Munir” as was making supplication: “and we ask Allah to grant us a good end in our life and the hereafter and to benefit by it and its seeker and the one who looks into it and to treat us fairly (About the book) (((by Muhammad and his Al al-at-har and his Companions al-abrar)))”

4- The great scholar and faqih ^Abdul-Ghaniyy al-Hanafiy the author of “al-Lubab fi sharh al-Kitab”, he said in the conclusion of his book “Sharh Al^aqidah At-Tahawiyyah” as he was making du^a’: “and I ask you (o Allah) to raise the rank of our master Muhammad, for, he is the closest of whom (((tawassul is done by him))) to you”.

5- Shams ad-Deen ar-Ramliyy known as the small Shafi^uiyy he said in the introduction of his book “Ghayat al-Bayan fi sharh Zubad ibn Rislan” as he was making supplication: “and I ask Allah and (((by his Prophet I make tawassul)), to make it (his deed in his book) sincere for your sake”.

6- The ultimate of the Muhaqiqeen Sheikh Ibn ^Abideen al-Hanafiyy, he said in the introduction of his explanation for “ad-Durr al-Mukhtar” as he was making supplication: “and I ask Him Ta^ala (((making tawassul to his Prophet))) whom is Mukarram, Sallallahu ^alayhi wa sallam”.

7- Sheikh Muhammad ^Ala’ud-Deen ibn as-Sheikh ibn ^abideen, he said in the conclusion of the continuation of the explanation of his father as he was making supplication: “May Allah (protect) him, and may Allah forgive him and his children and his sheikhs and to whom else he has right upon, (((by the virtue of the master of the Prophets and Messengers)))”.

8- Imam Muhammad Az-Zarqaniyy Al Malikiyy said in the conclusion of explanation to “al-muwatta’” as he was making supplication: “and I ask you from your generosity (O Allah) (((making tawassul to you by the most high in rank of your messengers))) (Ashraf al-Mursaleen) and to make it (His explanation to al-Muwatta’) sincere for your sake”.

9- Muhadith Isma^il bin Muhammad al-^Ajluniyy al-jrahiyy, as-Shafi^iyy he said in his book “Kashf al-Khafa’ and Muzeel al-ilbas” 2/419 making supplication: “and o Allah waive away our sins by your generosity and end it by the best of deeds by the virtue of the Muhammad Sallallahu ^alayhi wa sallam the master of the masters”.

10- al-hafith as-Sakhawiyy said in the conculusion of his “Explanation of ‘Ulfyat al-^Iraqiy in al-hadtih”: “our master Muhammad the master of humanity and (((our ‘Wassilah’))) (Path to Allah) and our Sanad and support during the hardships Sallallahu ^alayhi wa sallam”.

These are very few of scholars who made tabarruk and tawassul by the Prophet and they have declared it as permissible. After all of these proves that some might have been ignorant of, why would it be acceptable to neglect them all four schools and follow one innovated school!? Aren’t we told to follow the Sahabah and the ones after them? Aren’t we told to stick to Al Qur’an and Sunnah.

I hope the translation was clear enough for you, for, I have the same post in Arabic, and this is it's translation. If any oppose, let them clarify otherwise let them back off from making takfeer to Muslims who seek tawassul.

Allah knows best.

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Azam · December 29, 2000, 8:04am

masha-Allah. buhut khoob!!!

system · December 29, 2000, 8:13am

Quote the whole world, but dont ever quote from the one book that actually matters, and perhaps the only book that matters. The Holy Quran.

Azam · December 29, 2000, 8:23am

why dont you quote from quran????huh??

sincerely,
western digital.

system · December 29, 2000, 3:40pm

Azam..im not proving anything here...so i dont need to quote.
My point was, anything thats not quoted even a single time from the Quran, invariably contains a lot of human errors and a lot of human input. And that cannot be passed as the absolute truth. Tell u the truth, I did not even bother to read the posts by Ahmed, but the very topic tells me the source.

Ahmad_G · December 30, 2000, 6:39pm

Azam Barakallahu feek.

Digital, Qur'an is where Islam was clarifyied and where everything was asserted. From it we saw the light of Islam. Hadith comes next, by it we understood Qur'an without it we would not know Qur'an. Next Ijma^, and by it we understood hadith and without it we would not have understood Islam. And note, opposing Ijma^ is kuffur, as stated by ^Ulama'.

Now, some peopler have abused Qur'an, mistranlated it, and used it in the wrong places. You first have to understand Qur'an not by your own assumptions as an individual, but as following the hadith by which is conducted from the Scholars of Islam mentioing some: Shafi^ee, Malik, Hanfee, Ahmad, Bukhary, Muslim, Tirmithy, Abi Dawud, Nasa'iy... Now, how could one assert and assume from Qur'an what he desires because he lacks knowledge and because he did not acquire it from scholars and he did not bother to look at their glory. If some are cussing these scholars mentioned, than such people are out of Islam because Allah said in Al-Qur'an [If you really love Allah, than follow the Prophet and Allah will love you] and how coudl we know the Prophet without following these gracious scholars?!.

Allah knows best.
Where did I ever mention what I desired to mention like some did?! Do you not follow these Schools?! Or are those who oppose all take from the extra madhab?! The wahaby madhab and only?! Qur'an, Hadiht and 4 schools (Ijma^). I did not see any of those who oppose follow any of these resources none. Some did mention some verses, but they were translated the way they wanted, and I asked, can you tell us how the ayah was interperted that way by scholars? they said no Qur'an only, aleging to us that we follow the four Schools without the Qur'an.

For this post, it was directed to some who opposed and negated that fact that Prophet Muhammad is worthy of being holy. And that Allah granted him powers. Did Jesus not cure the blind as a sister refuted a negator by mentioning the Miracles of Jesus as he cured the blind and other..

I am still waiting along with the other ten posts for a reply that belie the proves that I put. The Verses, Ahadiths, Sayings of the Scholars that prove that what Ahlus-Sunnah practice since the time of the Prophet until now is true and righteous.

Wal Hamdulillah.

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system · December 30, 2000, 6:50pm

These people favor the fatwass of their Imaams more than the word of Allah in Quran. I never seen them proving their points from Quran. Everytime its this imaam and that imaam and this hadith and that hadith and no references in detail and than they say they are on “huq”…

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Come to QURAN and SUNNAH and leave practices of your forefathers and ancestors and leave the rituals that they use to do that belong to hindus and chiristians. and STOP CREATING NEW THINGS IN ISLAM.

V~V~VHe came, He saw, He conqueredV~V~V**

----*High Priest-OF-Painful Truth*----

Ahmad_G · December 30, 2000, 7:38pm

To So-Called watcher, first of all, you are a rude person because you call Muslims names: idiots, stupids... and you call them mushriks, second you are a wahaby which is the big problem, but what's funny is that you agree that it's shameful to be one, and you are always opposing. And now you are trying to indicate that I follow a sect, ^Alims and not the Qur'an. I say: Know that you don't follow Qur'an, Hadith nor ^Alims(.)

Because wahabies have no scholars and that's all you follow. Now, prove from Qur'an that ALL of the topics that I mentioned are all wrong PROVIDING A CLARIFICATION ABOUT THAT AYAH FROM QUALIFIED SCHOLARS, and I don't call M. A. Wahab a scholar, but consider the four schools as scholars and their likes. I will be waiting for you till your death, but do hope that you die as Muslim Sunny Not wahaby because I love khayr for others not evil and notice how I respect people where I can be calling you a mushrik, kaffir, fasiq lier, hypocrite, innovator as for your whole creed is new… But that’s not how the Prophet was and I believe that we have to follow him. I ask Allah to make us from the ones who drink from the Basin (Hawd) Al Kawthar by the hand of the holy Prophet. Ameen.

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X_Communist · December 30, 2000, 10:46pm

ahmad, if watcher was a wahabi (and u mentioned that i was one too)

dont you think , he or i would have been quoting from OUR books (wahabism)

but , we dont. its only the quran we quote from.

u on the other hand...well, what can i say...this thread says it all.

btw,,whats up with ur signature?

system · December 30, 2000, 10:51pm

X-com, he is starting to copy us now. lol!!! First the signature and than the aqeedah, which is solely based upon QURAN and SUNNAH!!!

He quots from books of his Imaams and anti-islamic sites which have huge collection of fabricated hadiths.

We on the other hand quote from QURAN and BOOK and when it comes time to prove them wrong we quote from their books and than compare it to QURAN and SUNNAH and well it contradicts.

WE invite you(likes of Ahmad G) to come to QURAN and SUNNAh and stop following the ways of pre-islamic era and stop creating new things in Islam. If not well may Allah grant you the most highest place in hell. Ameen.

*V~V~V*He came, He saw, He conquered*V~V~V*

----*High Priest-OF-Painful Truth*----

ammarr · December 30, 2000, 11:01pm

i am no wahabi or anything and i've been brought up in a sunni household.. but to me it seems only logical that Quran and Authentic Hadith should be more than enough a guide for anyone who wishes to follow Islam correctly

system · December 31, 2000, 12:05am

Ahmed G.

I am not one to defy or belie any Imam or any Maulana. But how do you defend quoting a maulana about a certain issue, when that issue is clearly quoted in the Quran itself? Even if the Maulana is saying something similar to what the Quran says, still you will be better able to convince people based on the Quranic quote....not a maulanas quote. Maulana blabbermouth tells me to read namaz. I say, see you later. Allah SWT tells me to read namaz. I say Allah-o-Akbar.

As for ahadeeth, the sahaba, who were with Prophet SAW all the time, had first hand access to genuine quotes from the Prophet SAW, and as my belief as a muslim tells me that the Prophet SAW never said anything that contradicted any Quranic quote, and the faithful companions of Prophet SAW never distorted any of his quotes. But thats as far as the authenticity goes. Since then, 1400 years have passed, and 20 or so generations have passed down those ahadeeth. Do you really believe that all those ahadeeth are still present in their original form?
The Quran is present in its original form, as has been said by Allah SWT Himself, so theres no denying that. But ahadeeth, they are acceptable only as long as they dont contradict the Quran. If the contradict the Quran in anyway, they are out.

And again, there are no two ways of translating the Quran. If you know arabic, you will know the difference. Till then, there will be as many versions as there are translators. WAllaho Alim.

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system · December 31, 2000, 12:13am

That is exactly what I have been saying all along!!!

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He quotes hadiths from his imaams and moulvies, never have I seen a authentic hadith from bukhari with its proper references. He posts fabricated stuff, most of the time it is not false. I hope, he realizes what he is doing and I hope MOd takes some appropriate actions to eliminate this problem and ask him to stop posting such misinformation about Islam, which is no where to be found in the hadith books or in QUran.

V~V~VHe came, He saw, He conqueredV~V~V**

----*High Priest-OF-Painful Truth*----

Azam · January 1, 2001, 8:27pm

Originally posted by Ahmad G:
**To So-Called watcher, first of all, you are a rude person because you call Muslims names: idiots, stupids… and you call them mushriks, second you are a wahaby which is the big problem, but what’s funny is that you agree that it’s shameful to be one, and you are always opposing. And now you are trying to indicate that I follow a sect, ^Alims and not the Qur’an. I say: Know that you don’t follow Qur’an, Hadith nor ^Alims(.)

Because wahabies have no scholars and that’s all you follow. Now, prove from Qur’an that ALL of the topics that I mentioned are all wrong PROVIDING A CLARIFICATION ABOUT THAT AYAH FROM QUALIFIED SCHOLARS, and I don’t call M. A. Wahab a scholar, but consider the four schools as scholars and their likes. I will be waiting for you till your death, but do hope that you die as Muslim Sunny Not wahaby because I love khayr for others not evil and notice how I respect people where I can be calling you a mushrik, kaffir, fasiq lier, hypocrite, innovator as for your whole creed is new… But that’s not how the Prophet was and I believe that we have to follow him. I ask Allah to make us from the ones who drink from the Basin (Hawd) Al Kawthar by the hand of the holy Prophet. Ameen.

[This message has been edited by Ahmad G (edited December 31, 2000).]**

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Masha-Allah. keep doing jihad and unwrapping the filth of Wahabis. JazakAllah brother Ahmed G

Azam · January 2, 2001, 11:14am

Masha-Allah!!

Where are you brother Ahmed G!

Please give me your e-mail, I'd love to increase my knowledge about Islamic history. Please dont tell me that you've been banned too brother. You are a great alim and an asset to us!!

Shaheen · January 2, 2001, 11:26am

[quote]
Originally posted by Eastern Analog:
Quote the whole world, but dont ever quote from the one book that actually matters, and perhaps the only book that matters. The Holy Quran.
[/quote]

"There will be a man with
full stomach, reclining on
his pillow, who will hear a
command from me and say, "Let
the judge between us (in this
matter) be Allah's Book: we
obey whetever we find in it."
[Know that] indeed, I have
been given the Book and, with
it, that which is similar to
it (the Sunnah)." [Ahmad,
Aboo Daawood, Saheeh ul-
Jaami`]

Wama Alaina Illal Balagh!

You (Muslims) are the best nation ever raised among the mankind: (because) you
advocate righteousness and FORBID EVIL, and you believe in (one) GOD (ALLAH).

(Sura: Alay-Imran; Ayat:110)

**Sitaaron Pay Jo Daltay Hain Kamand!**

Shaheen=An Eagle or A Flacon!
How come people come up with the idea that Shaheen is a "gal"????

Ahmad_G · January 6, 2001, 11:57am

[quote]
Originally posted by Azam:
**Masha-Allah!!

Where are you brother Ahmed G!

Please give me your e-mail, I'd love to increase my knowledge about Islamic history. Please dont tell me that you've been banned too brother. You are a great alim and an asset to us!!**
[/quote]

Brohter Azam, I'm right here now. I was on a trip to Pensylvania for a week for Islamic studies as I mentioned before, and as I promised, I did ask more about wahabisem, and the Muslim committee that held the Islamic Propgrams there were very clear that Islam is inocent of wahabisem.

Brother, I will send you an email insha'llag asap. Don't worry i will always be here, insha'llah.

Ahmad_G · January 6, 2001, 12:12pm

[quote]
Originally posted by The Watcher:
**>>may Allah grant you the most highest place in hell.

**
[/quote]

Shame on you!! You are nothing but a wahaby and that says it all.

You are trying to denote that I follow "imams" before the Qur'an and you have aleged that I have "my imams" due to the fact that you only do.

I only follow Qur'an and Hadith and nothing but. Even my opinion has been put aside long time ago, since I started studing the Shafi^y fiqh.

So-called watcher! Look, I will not lower from my standards to a barker and a lier like you! Therefore, I will only say Allah is your haseeb for every single insult you have addressed not only to me, to all the brothers here. As a sunny, I will never agree with a wahaby and no matter how much you try to say that I'm from a sect, you will fail because what you say is the difference.

For those who don't understand the references that I have, know that Qur'an is the first resource, haith is second, Ijma^ is third. Now, some are saying verses from Al Qur'an with their own interpertations namely watcher. So how fake does that look?! To solve that problem and prevail the lies, let them put the interpertations of scholars of Islam to what Al Qur'an verses mean. No you can't know what Al Qur'an means by yourself and don't try to say so, because Allah sent the Prophets to explain the holy book, and Allah sent Sahabah to send the knowledge and Sahabah passed it to salaf, Khalaf and qualified scholars. All took their light from Qur'an. So, when one states the hadith or the Ijmar^ about the ayah, or the interpertation of it by the Scholars such as the four schools, than one will know the true meaning. Otherwise we would all have our own interepertations, and Alhamdulillah we don't, but a couple in here do!!.

So, let it be clear that None have the right to say Allah said: and than make the translation that he desires. Let him state the proof by stating the saying of the interpertations of the scholars such as Turjuman Al Qur'an Ibn Abas. Now, how come we don't see those who keep babeling stating the interpertations of the Scholars (And I don't mean Ibn Taymiah or M. A. Wahab a schoalr, but I mean the authors of six books and their likes..)..? Why? because they have no knowledge. They are ignorant. They are only readers of books, and readers of books are disprised if they rely on their books alone.

Allah Is AlHasseeeb.

Ahmad_G · January 6, 2001, 12:23pm

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Originally posted by Ahmad G:
**The Hanafy Madhhab (School – set of laws):
In the book “Al-Fatawa al-Hindiyyah Volume 1/266, the book al-Manasik, Under the title: Conclusion of visiting the grave of the Prophet Sallallahu ^alayhi wa sallam, after he mentioned how the visit is, and manners of the visitor of the grave of the Prophet Sallallahu ^alayhi wa sallam, he mentioned the supplications that the visitor would say, and he said: “He (The visitor) stands close to the head of the prophet Sallallahu ^alayhi wa sallam and he would say: “O Allah you said and your say is the truth (and he mentioned this ayah)
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And we came to you listening to your say obedient to your command, (((making tawassul (Mustashfi^een) by your Prophet))) to you” The End. This means we make tawassul by the Prophet to you O Allah.