The truth about foreign rule - whether arab, turk, or persian - There wasn't any.

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THE MYTH OF MUSLIM EMPIRE IN INDIA

Now, the source is biased in so far as it excludes Muslims who also fought against foreign rule and has an agenda of spinning ‘Hinduism’ as a victim even though it is a religion based around a caste system which was explicitly created to destroy Buddhism after it spread to being a 2/3rds majority among Indians.

Looking at other sources, and other rebellions such as Guru Gobind Singh Ji, Rana Pratap, Dulla Bhatti, etc.

This makes sense, if we were the hardest thorn the Arabs ever faced there’s no reason we would have stopped that later.

Many of our famous last stands and battles later on in history would prove it’s the same blood.

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It goes back to Porus as well who most likely defeated Secunder but greeks wrote history. It’s telling that he’s not even mentioned in our history as only those who get far enough are. How do you call trying to invade 17 times with professional armies vs levies a victory.

A levy means the pind getting together with w.e they have.

Anyway, just wanted to point out that look at pre vs post partition religion was more spiritual and less used as a political means for cultural export.

Today, it seems people are more concerned about appearing arab than praying 5 times a day or anything like that.

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This ties into it, as I see many people of all religions who seem to ‘believe’ that South Asia has to have been a weak donkey in order for them to ‘be-lie-eve’ that they won a hard fought ‘independence’ which is a piece of paper. (Who’s the queen still?)

If someone is more interested in their history, or if you feel that as a Pakistani you should study the mentality of the country that is killing minorities (remember south asia you are a minority) read about the decline of bhuddism because that’s how Hindu-ism started.

Old things like vedas and krisna are against idol worship, have no caste system, and they eat beef.

All it shows you is that if you think politicians in x country are evil, I would say Indian politicians are the worst in the world; I’d extend the title for poorest, most corrupt region to ‘South Asia’ (along with worst polit.) but we’re still the best!

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Re: The truth about foreign rule - whether arab, turk, or persian - There wasn't any.

whats the point of discussion?

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Re: The truth about foreign rule - whether arab, turk, or persian - There wasn't any.

There's an attempt a concerted one, by many parties to use this myth to their advantage.

Hinduvta extremists to claim a zionist like victim state to cover-up and justify their atrocities
British to claim it's already a ruled country
Muslim extremists to claim it's just to put it (south asia) to the sword, because it's easy and was already being done.

Brain-washed muslim extremists (need word like hinduvta for right-wing ones) who claim that Islam wasn't spread with the sword and that so-so is nice etc.
Sikhs who use it as a justification to hate muslims and as a platform to hinduvta terrorists to say we defended you, so give us Khalistan.
Christians esp. portugese who use it to take attention away from their own forced conversions, and massacres.

And many more reasons, basically a lot of our baggage, and problems are set upon us and created using myths like this.

Only, through claiming our true heritage, and culture are we able to worship, and congregate freely and with just minds.

A clouded mind cannot meet god, that's why many forbid or discourage the use of intoxicants; but what of those who's minds are clouded by propaganda, or political fervour?

edit - This would be akin to showing the Aryan Invasion Theory as a lie; it is our duty, from many points of view.
And, the common sense POV; lol, who's going to come and take it from us? (pathans, punjabi, sindis, rajputs, etc.) We cracked a mace over the head of anyone, who came our way; you can read British officers crying about being killed in the anglo-sikh wars.

Another thing, things like this are used to divide us:

For example, 'Sikh empire' I've seen stories about how Maharaja Ranjit Singh was supposed to be destroying mosques and opressing muslims when he equally gave to all three. They also say Punjabi Muslims and Sikhs at the time hated each other.

There probably were barely 100k Sikhs during his reign, and the pride of the 'Khalsa' army and one of the biggest reasons for its victories was the artillery.

Almost all of the artillerymen were Muslim.

So, again many reasons for the point of discussion; I'd like to ask, given this any reason for there not to be?

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Re: The truth about foreign rule - whether arab, turk, or persian - There wasn't any.

So you believe that Islam in Indian subcontinent was spread only due to sword? What about the role of sufi saints equally revered by Muslims as well Hindus even todate. While there are people who talk against and in favour of rulers like Aurangzeb, etc, can you quote anyone talking against Nizam u din Auliya and Data Ganj Bux?

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Sikhs who use it as a justification to hate muslims and as a platform to hinduvta terrorists to say we defended you, so give us Khalistan.
Christians esp. portugese who use it to take attention away from their own forced conversions, and massacres.

And many more reasons, basically a lot of our baggage, and problems are set upon us and created using myths like this.

Only, through claiming our true heritage, and culture are we able to worship, and congregate freely and with just minds.

A clouded mind cannot meet god, that's why many forbid or discourage the use of intoxicants; but what of those who's minds are clouded by propaganda, or political fervour?

edit - This would be akin to showing the Aryan Invasion Theory as a lie; it is our duty, from many points of view.
And, the common sense POV; lol, who's going to come and take it from us? (pathans, punjabi, sindis, rajputs, etc.) We cracked a mace over the head of anyone, who came our way; you can read British officers crying about being killed in the anglo-sikh wars.

Another thing, things like this are used to divide us:

*For example, 'Sikh empire' I've seen stories about how Maharaja Ranjit Singh was supposed to be destroying mosques and opressing muslims when he equally gave to all three. They also say Punjabi Muslims and Sikhs at the time hated each other.
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There probably were barely 100k Sikhs during his reign, and the pride of the 'Khalsa' army and one of the biggest reasons for its victories was the artillery.

Almost all of the artillerymen were Muslim.

So, again many reasons for the point of discussion; I'd like to ask, given this any reason for there not to be?

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Can you deny the various account in history telling us about destroying mosques by Ranjeet Singh and using Badshai Masjid Lahore as stable. He later may have treated his subjects fairly, but there are dozens of monuments (including Shalamar garden) in Lahore, where army of Ranjeet Singh dismantled the precious stones, etc

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Re: The truth about foreign rule - whether arab, turk, or persian - There wasn't any.

I also dont under stand this thread.

Werent Western parts of the subcontinent invaded by Persians?

Werent parts of Western subcontinent invaded by Greeks?

What about White Huns and Kushans?

There were invasions in Sindh and Western and Northern India by Arabs and Central Asians (similar to what had been happening for the past thousands of years).

Your assertion is wrong that Islamic extremists don't believe that the religion was spread by force. A lot of barbaric actions were carried out by the Muslim rulers (I wont justify that) but the conversions were mainly due to sufis in the area. Read about them.

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Re: The truth about foreign rule - whether arab, turk, or persian - There wasn't any.

Na, I know about sufi saint there's many who will claim there was none by the sword. And that wasn't ranjit Singh, I forget which misl but they were known for being against Muslims and that mosque was built by aurangzeb that's how they justified it.

This is what I mean, invasion not victory. For example Arabs taking 70 years to capture makaran. Ghazni invading 16 times before being successful.

Idk about gardens etc. but masjids weren't touched, a garden isn't precious. I'll piss in gardens built by mughals, I'll go to bathroom on Taj they have nothing to do with Islam and only to do with tyrannical kings who are now with god's will rightfully in hell.

If you consider mughal monuments to be precious, then would you also consider all the deaths for bulding taj to be precious?

If precious mughal monuments, are the crux of your argument, while ignoring the other side of monuments destroyed by them then this would be what I mean by right wing extremism. Mixing politics and religion, you ignore principles of justice and fair play. It's telling that even though sirhind was ploughed a nearby tomb that Muslims consider sacred was left standing.

If you consider the gardens to be more beautiful because they are built by a Muslim then this is what I mean by wanna be Arabs and forgetting who you are. Unity not uniformity. Knowing who you are makes you stronger, this is another reason to know this so people don't become weaker due to sellout sheepedness. A stronger Islam is good for everyone, a stronger Taliban for none.

The city of sirhind was ploughed over, because that evil turf was where two brothers were bricked at 8 and 6 for refusing to commit gaddari, an for refusing Islam. That, is a precious monument that inspires all of humanity. Not the play place of some tyrant where he retreated to after spilling innocent blood. And, which Muslim Javier was it who agreed with me and said: there are two pilgrimages on this earth, Chamkaur an Sirhind where the father lost his sons.

At lower poster, we were invaded but not conquered, ;) veer ji.

If you read about the creation of caste, and fall of bhuddism you'll see why it's important for any patriot of Pakistan especially to know about it; that propaganda will be used against you. Be ready with a counter. VJKCJF

Edit - I apologize if a a Para or two is out of place as I can't move them properly on phone. Will change at home, hope it makes sense. Basically be a good and strong _ and bow head to no one but God.

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Re: The truth about foreign rule - whether arab, turk, or persian - There wasn't any.

^ Invasions have been taking place in the subcontinent for thousands of years, most of them have taken place through Afghanistan. When Mongols attacked during 2 AD to 6 AD it was in the form of White Huns and Kushans, and when the same happened in 1500's it was Moghuls (again Mongols who had converted to Islam). What ever subversive activities they would have carried out I am sure they would be lesser than the Mongols (who no one discusses). Besides if you believe that Islam was spread by sword alone, how do you explain spread of Islam in Malaysia and Indonesia? Dont go that far, how did Islam reach South India which remained mainly untouched even by Moghuls?

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Re: The truth about foreign rule - whether arab, turk, or persian - There wasn't any.

I don't consider Mughal gardens sacred. precious doesn't mean sacred IMO. I said precious stones of many buildings were dismantled by Ranjit Singh army.

I was referring to acts of army who invaded Lahore under Ranjit Singh and they did used Badshahi mosques as stable and desecrated Quran. They consumed wine in Masjid Wazir Khan there. The same Ranjit Singh when fell in love with a Muslim nautch girl Mai Moran, he built a mosque for known as Kanjri di Masjid recently renamed as Mai Moran ki Masjid. The rivalry between Muslims and Sikhs is not due to partition incidents, but the rage that was shown during partition time was linked with the treatment of Sikh gurus by mughals and treatment of Muslims by Ranjit Singh.

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Re: The truth about foreign rule - whether arab, turk, or persian - There wasn't any.

true...:)

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Re: The truth about foreign rule - whether arab, turk, or persian - There wasn’t any.

:hmmm: koi shak?

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Re: The truth about foreign rule - whether arab, turk, or persian - There wasn’t any.

Ji nahi…:slight_smile: