I’ve been thinking about that line from the way of the sufi.. suggested to a king by his sages for granting him hope in the time of sadness and moderation in the time of happiness.. ‘this too, will pass’.
Every emotion, every feeling is specific to the present. Biological devices to help us functioning. From intense depression purging one of attachments that are no longer viable to intense happiness to keep us longing and striving for what makes us tick.. keeping us productive. Whether or not feelings are merely instinctive devices for keeping the social fabric together.. or whether theres something intangibly more.. one thing is certain. no human feeling is essential, one can overcome anything if one cares to do so.
And so everything does, indeed, pass. Things always work out, if not for you then for someone else through you.
How doesnt that make everything meaningless? if everything you feel and experience today holds relevance only to you, only now.. if we, living in this moment that is nothing but a speck of time stolen from the future for the past can lose every attachment there is and still live on to gain new ones then doesnt that trivialise this moment, these feelings.. this world of yours?
Nothing would change if you lost everything that mattered. you would be sad, but thats nature’s way of fixing you up again so you can go running around, from experience to experience to experience..
Well all times, good and bad will pass...yes...but it's up to us to make teh best of every situation, no matter how bleak or upsetting things look, there is always a way of portraying God's glory through it.
That's what we are to do, give praise, glory and Honor to The Almighty, no matter what our circumstances, coz happiness and sadness in this passing temporary world means nothing compared to the joys of heaven, and that's what we should be worried about.
"Seek ye first the Kingdom of God and His Righteousness, and all these things shall be added unto you...Alleluia"
lastknightess: religiously I agree with you. these words of mine above that make the case for the futility of human attachments to the world around us are exactly reflected many times over in the Quran and other religious texts.
but I have some ties to this world too right? some part of me feels extremely bitter at the realisation that in the end, there is no inherent worth to those feelings, attachments, thoughts except rationalizations, biological coping mechanisms from the world around us.
Matsui, I remind myself of a young pristine sometimes, but then I realise that I dont know him. but thanks for the :k:
Kaka.. what you feel then.. your attachments your loves and hates and everything important to you . isnt that meaningless? arent we biological automatons going from experience to experience and feelings merely mental reflections of them?
like, are some things not overcomeable and part of human instinct?
like a small baby who can’t really “think” but still stops crying when its crying and its mother holds it? isnt that something natural?
sometimes have u noticed how u autmoatically smile when u hear the voice of a close friend. what’s that? isnt that a spontaneous automatic response?
some ppl cringe at the sight of blood or are afraid of darkness. if u see someone dear unwell u automatically feel sad. what’s that? natural or overcomeable?
khair…
we’ve either
1- programmed ourselves…to the extent of HARDCODED…ourselves to react to certain situations in certain ways…to the point where we think its impossible to erase that code…but it is just a thought…NOT reality. (talking in programmin lingo here )
or
2- it really is impossible?
khair…
unless the idea of self destruction (the whole shama & parvana thingie abt how the parvana gets obsessed with a shama and self destructs in the process) appeals to u … which ISLAMICALLY it should not (that IS the bottom line is it not? ) then for the sake of self preservation how about we believe #1?
re 1 and 2..you decide if it is impossible. you decide if some feeling is strong enough that you cannot live in its absence but you can live without it, and if you have spine or other reasons to live, you do. inevitably the darkest depression, the one that makes you want to die, is only nature's mechanism of ensuring that you live (on average, most of us do).
and then if it is 1 then nothing has inherent meaning except what it means to you at this instant. we're complex creatures and thus have complex ways of dealing with things. i guess there was this part of me that thought that certain things were more important and meaningful..less person and time specific.. than hardcoded or learnt behavioural mechanisms for dealing with the present that is protesting..
if its a JUST cause then fine go ahead and self destruct. but is the reason really worth it? ask yourself that and be true to yourself. you don't need to prove anything to yourself about you. shun notions of self greatness. you're not a saint. you're just a human. the sooner we accept it the better.
khair. YES it is humanly possible and overcomeable :D :) just have a practical approach towards things and try to self preserve not self destruct.
bibi mein self destruct nahi kar raha kyu bar bar suggest kar rahin hein
i guess i was just pondering about the nature of humanity and our existence. kia faida kuch panay ka waise agar sab kuch kho sakte hein? just because something feels good now.. isnt that a selfish, petty reason?
well no. coz if u r smart u will enjoy it when u have that thing NOW but not feel sad when u dont have it later. that's what's called super control of emotions but ideally thats how it shud be. one shud ideally only look at the good things in NOW and appreciate those than be sad abt what was part of the past but is not part of now.
so if a person is smart they can keep themselves happy all the time. and that sure is worth it i think :p
see then we just become creatures of sensation. we go from sensation to sensation, experience to experience, while nothing...no feeling no attachment no person.. has any inherent meaning for you or for anyone else..except as a fleeting borrower of your thoughts.
innal hayat ad duniya illa lahwun wa la'ab
(Nothing is the life of this world but play and amusement.. )
mazaq ura lo tum
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