The thread in life1

[hareem01]

@InToXiCaTeD

^ so typical of you Hareem sis

where did I say that?

what part of the repenting expression you did not understand?

**To me, as long as there is no rape or minors involved, and the sex happens between two consenting individuals … it’s between them and God. No one else should have anything to do with it as long as it’s not affecting them in any way. **

I am not in that dumb game of “which school of thought to consult and which fairytale book to read regarding this and that matter”. sue me.

We are all given same kind of a brain and we can work any thing out among us.

But keep hanging on to “my version of the fairytale is correct” and you will keep getting the results you have always gotton. misery!

Well, this is what we all or most of us believe coz it’s the general ruling in shariah. You don’t need to use an offensive tone to make others look like idiots and ignorants and assume that only you are gifted with brains.

For you, Adam and Hawa(as)'s case is enough to reach this conclusion but consider that for others it might not be enough.

I don’t see why you’re better than those who are in the dumb game. I don’t wanna say that but I’ve noticed that you have labelled me as a religious bigot or a fanatic for a couple of times in past when you have no idea about me or my ideology. I’m a balanced person with balanced views and still learning about my religion and the world.

[InToXiCaTeD]

@hareem01

Well, this is what we all or most of us believe coz it’s the general ruling in shariah.

where does the “punishment of death” and “stoning to death” comes from then? … that OP and others are talking about?

@hareem01

You don’t need to use an offensive tone to make others look like idiots and ignorants and assume that only you are gifted with brains.

my answer

We are all given same kind of a brain

and re. the offensive tone? that coming from you does not make ANY sense.

I don’t see why you’re better than those who are in the dumb game. I don’t wanna say that but I’ve noticed that **you have labelled me as a religious bigot or a fanatic for a couple of times in past **when you have no idea about me or my ideology.

puraanay badlay???

anyway. Religious, yes I called you that. since when is that an offensive word?

bigot? I never called you or anyone else on this website by that word. Please quote any of my such post. pleeeeeezzzzzzzzz!!!

I’m a balanced person with balanced views and still learning about my religion and the world.

good :k:

keep doing that.

[hareem01]

where does the "punishment of death" and "stoning to death" comes from then? ..... that OP and others are talking about?

That punishment doesn't apply to everyone. If it's a secret between man and woman, no one can punish them. in shariah, pregnancy is not a proof to punish them.

Even a husband can forgive his wife for committing this crime but it's one of the biggest sins and forgiveness should be asked from God.

[InToXiCaTeD]

Re: The thread in life1

[Fbi786]

Re: The thread in life1

why is a religious thread in life1 .. obviously your gona get answers that arnt what your looking for ...

[Aceones]

@cricketplaya

if you had supported qaum-e-Lut,, then you'd think you'd be punished along with them or not? that is the question.....

remember wife of Hazrat Lut :Allaih:?? she was punished because she used to give "reports" to those who commit sin, and she socialized with them. Hence she was given the same punishment, which was given to the people who actually committed the sin. as Quran says "wo peechay reh janay waloon main say thee"

so do we hold responsibility (or part thereof) of such great sins collectively as a society by not opposing them and leaving such people to themselves! its complicated!

[Decent_6Chora]

@UZ

The thread in life "pregnant but not married" made me wonder if some muslim man or woman commit zinah and it is proved.Should we be like that its his/her personal matter or should we give him saza accoding to Islamic law.Is it Islamic society's matter to handle zani or we should let that person live his/her life.For example if zani lady has a baby and she is sentenced to death for doing zinah what will happen to her child?Should we leave her alone that now she needs to raise her najaayz child. Like in West adultery is really common and its not considered sin and in ISLAM adultery is a sin and Zani person has a very strict punishment.Now with all my questions are we considered gunahgaar too if we say its okay we don't care if person is Zania or Zani.Just confused.

Law of the land should be applied.

btw, "religion is person's private matter" is a western term they love to toss around. Islam actually believe on

"Amar Bil Maroof, Nahi Anil Munkar"

Here is a good read if someone is interested

Muslim Society: (Islamic Society, Amar Bil Maroof, Nahi Anil Munkar)
Can you be indifferent to the actions of other people? Can you exist in "isolation" and as totally cut off from the rest of the society? Can you exist without any relations with other people?

What effect does the goodness or badness of the society have on the individual? What kind of individuals grow up in a religious society? When a person grows up in an evil, corrupt and perverse society, to what evils is he led?

What responsibility does the Muslim have towards the society he or she lives in? In Islam, everyone is responsible before Allah towards the society and no one can be indifferent to the actions of his neighbors. Each person must realize that he is linked to the rest of society, and that the society is like a single body of which he is a part.

Therefore, the true Muslim strives with all his might for the benefit and good of his society. Islam teaches Muslims that the heaven-sent programs of Islam lead the society to perfection and happiness provided that those programs are properly carried out and followed by all the people in the society.

Therefore, in order that all the aspects of the laws and regulations of religion be properly carried out, Islam places the responsibility of ensuring the proper implementation of the Islamic teachings upon two factors.

Firstly, the legal Islamic authority, that is, the legitimate Islamic Government. It is the duty of the Government in Islam to put into practice all the Islamic laws, regulations and programs. Islamic Government has the duty of leading the individuals of the society towards good deeds, and it must put an end to all instances of injustice, oppression, corruption and perversion. It must severely punish those who are guilty of these crimes, and must constantly encourage those who are religious and benevolent.

These are some of the most important duties of the Islamic Government. Secondly, each and every Muslim is considered in Islam to be responsible for the society and for practicing the divine laws. Each person is counted as a kind of guardian and policeman. In Islam, every Muslim must pay attention to the actions and behavior of the people of his society, and must do what he can to prevent corruption.

A Muslim must himself be good and must also encourage others to do good, and he must strive for the welfare of society. Islam calls this duty "Amar Bil Maroof", which means enjoining the right.

A Muslim must also refrain from sins and from breaking the laws of Islam and the Islamic Government (if it is truly Islamic), and as far as he can, he must try to prevent sins and corruption from occurring in the society.

Islam calls this duty "Nahi Anil Munkar", which means forbidding the wrong. Amar Bil Maroof and Nahi Anil Munkar together form one of the most important public duties in Islam, and one of the foremost duties of every Muslim.

It is obligatory for every Muslim to defend the laws of his religion in this way, and to strive to safeguard them and have them carried out. Allah tells us in the Noble Qur'an: "You are the best of the nations raised up for (the benefit of) men; you enjoin what is right and forbid the wrong and believe in Allah... (3:110)."

Holy Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) of Islam has said: "Enjoin what is right and forbid what is wrong. For as long as you do so your society will be strong and happy; but when the Muslims would fail in this, their society will be dominated by oppressors and no matter how much they pray to Allah for deliverance from the oppressors, Allah will not answer their prayers and they will find no justice anywhere, neither in the skies nor in the earth."

[hareem01]

@InToXiCaTeD

kya hua?

[InToXiCaTeD]

Re: The thread in life1

kya hua tera waada

woh qasam wo iraada

:p

[hareem01]

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^lol

Where's your pagal wala avatar?I liked that better.

[InToXiCaTeD]

Re: The thread in life1

^ yeah ..... i need to change this one. it didn't serve me the purpose I put it up for.

what do you suggest? put the pagal wala back? :)

[hareem01]

Re: The thread in life1

^Yeah. :k:

Btw, what was the purpose for putting this one up?

[InToXiCaTeD]

Re: The thread in life1

long story …

[Nutwer]

Gosh you guys and your qiyas and fatwa's.

The dude telling the story of azab intiated from the villager is perfectly accurate.

However, to note in this and h.Luts case, the sins were spread on a large and public scale.

We are advised in Islam if we SEE a sin happening to try to stop it with our hands, tongue or intent.
Therefore if you actually see a brother stealing, or killing or aheming with another then by all means you should act.

sins that are not public or not by confession or so- can be seen as a mercy or chance by God on that person to conceal it and seek private forgiveness and amendment.

And do not forget people nabi-pak and Islam does not a religion of just punishment, it is also a religion of mercy and tolerance.

and dont forget nabi-pak advised: 'You should make 72 excuses for your brother'.
And there are hadiths in Bukhari - ones especially relating to these matters where people have come to to the prophet (pbuh) and the prophet (pbuh) made excuses for them and tried not to open the matter before they could.

So when nabi-pak can do this, why not us.

I agree the at-sight scenario is not good. A lady having a baby out of wedlock.

But until we know the full and real story of the lady nobody can condemn her to punishment hold contempt.

How do you guys know what happened with her. And we all know how slimey and douchebags todays men are.

And do also look at her age before issuing major punishments.

If people are so concerned now-where were you when this women was piously and properly looking fora rista for 38 years of her life?

Its your farz to detest the evil. But what about the helping your brother and sister farz?

When this sister was longing fora good guy-why did nobody int he O.P community help her.

It was inevitable something like this would happen.

I remember a lecture by zakir naik talking about marriage. He was also emphazing the importance of marriage, and was talking about the worlds excess women over men.
He was using this to justify the islam 4 wife permit.
And then he said if this was not feasible and the excess women were left alone- it would be a catastrophie as sex hormones are being released into the brain of every human all the time- and he blatently, confidently said it the unmarried women become public property.

There so many other paki women here and back home in later ages of have not married yet and desperatly looking. If you people are so quick to 'forbid the evil'- then you should be 'enjoining the right' also by helping such women to settle in life and killing the root of such occurences.

Doing a brothers Nikah is also one of the biggest 'naiki's'.