The Tablighis

[cricketplaya]

Re: The Tablighis

@Fraudz

yeah they ask if you have time, but no matter whatthe answer, they insist on time. and i take that as disrespecting me. dudes show up at my door, ask to talk t me, if I say I only have 10 minutes, then they should get out in 10 minutes but they dont, if I say I cant talk to them right now, then I hear the same emotional blackmail..oh u have to make time for Allah, cnat you cancel your dunyawi activities for an hour. Then they want me to give them names and addresses of my friends..its like so u admit that what we are doing is a noble task, and tableegh is farz on all muslims,

yes.

would you join us .. you can get sawab of tableegh and help in the work of paighambars by giving us some name sof other people we can talk to.

I mean then you try to explain, listen, its private info. I dont know if my friends necessarily want me to hand out their contact info to ppl, but these dudes keep pressuring. ..oh dont yu think they should hear this as well, you should helpo in doing good and stopping bad, and blahbidy blabidy blah

Maybe I have had the misfortune of dealing with some illmannered, unprepared groups, but my experience with their approach has been very negative.

That is sad to hear bro.

My advice is you should go the masjid they are coming from and talk to an elder there about this whole issue. This way the elders will know and will remind the people before they go out. That's the best thing you should do. It is not the work but it's the people who do the work (just like your said).

[Mr_Fraudia]

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@born_wela

blame the palyers, not the game.... the tablighi's dont do it the way its supposed to be done, which makes ppl think that "tabligh" is nonsense.....

I do not have a problem with tabligh. and although I dont go around saying it often. two of the people I know reverted, one directly due to my efforts and the other because he sought out information on his own, and asked questions and then decided to revert.

No issue with tabligh.

yes, and u nailed it, when you said tablighis dont do it theyw ay ts suposed to be done. (atleast those I have met)

[Mr_Fraudia]

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guys, so help me here. if I need to communicate to someone higher up on comon things they can do better, who do I talk to. I tell it to the guys who some over, but they dodnt seem to get it. Is there some troop leader sitting at the masjid, someone higher up in hierarchy who can just be told that listen, appreciate what you are trying to do, but here are a few things you may want to tweak a little

[cricketplaya]

Re: The Tablighis

@Fraudz

guys, so help me here. if I need to communicate to someone higher up on comon things they can do better, who do I talk to. I tell it to the guys who some over, but they dodnt seem to get it. Is there some troop leader sitting at the masjid, someone higher up in hierarchy who can just be told that listen, appreciate what you are trying to do, but here are a few things you may want to tweak a little

Like I said go to the masjid and talk to the elders there. Not any elder, the elder who is unofficially "in charge" meaning the guy who has the most concern.

[Mr_Fraudia]

Re: The Tablighis

but the masjid says they dont run tablighi jamat, or they are not affiliated

[cricketplaya]

Re: The Tablighis

@Fraudz

but the masjid says they dont run tablighi jamat, or they are not affiliated

Then how do you know these people are coming from that masjid?

[Abdullah_k]

Re: The Tablighis

@Fraudz

well abdullah in that case its is Allah's will that I dont talk to these guys. I am not questioning their beliefs, intentions, or sincerity (although many do) I am simply suggesting that they be a little mindful of other people's commitments

what do you expect me to do when someone comes over and I am taking care of a sick relative? or if I am preparing for an exam in 14 hours? or if I am packing for a flight in 4 hours? what if I am not well...there are many reasons a person can not entertain even friends, let alone strangers who have ust showed up.

what is such a big deal in giving ppl a quick call and saying we are coming over. Okay fine, they did not have the sense or decency to call, but just showed up. Now when you are telling them politely that I appreciate you being here but I can not talk to you..whatever reason you may have, they just insist on coming i and that they will only take a few minutes, and just dont leave even when you say, excuse me but I really need to go now, or I really ought to get back to what I was doing.

the question is not with what they are doing but how. It is a small courtesy for them to call, it shows respect for the person they want to see. A good positive start to communication.

If they are not taking the advise and insist on violating common ettiquettes, then they are unknowingly or knowingly hurting their own cause and work.

first of all it's not someone's "own" cause or work - it's the cause of Allah and it's the work of all Prophets; to invite others towards Allah.

Now, one can differ in the method as to how one should be approached, which is completely undertandable. But, then again, it doesn't change the fact that it's 'us' that need Allah, and it's 'us' that need to build firm Imaan and Yaqeen in our hearts that Allah is the One - the Doer and Creator of everything.

Likewise, Allah has put success in sacrifice, and the grant of hidayat lies in the fact that how 'we' can bring ourselves closer to Allah by overcoming our own desires and by becoming the workers of His deen. The bigger the sacrifice; be it one's own precious time out of busy schedules to listen to the talk of Allah or spending freely in the path of Allah; the more the guarantee that Allah will look after us and Will bring us closer to Him.

Just change this around, and for one moment think that OK these guys showed up at my door without calling, fine!, for once, I will go out, and for 'my own benefit' I will remind my other Muslim brother to come and pray the next salaat with Jamaat - just to follow one commandment of Allah which is to 'establish salaat' in whatever capacity..

[Abdullah_k]

Re: The Tablighis

@Fraudz

guys, so help me here. if I need to communicate to someone higher up on comon things they can do better, who do I talk to. I tell it to the guys who some over, but they dodnt seem to get it. Is there some troop leader sitting at the masjid, someone higher up in hierarchy who can just be told that listen, appreciate what you are trying to do, but here are a few things you may want to tweak a little

you can always have a say..go to the chicago markaz and put this affair in front of the elders associated with tableegh

[Abdullah_k]

Re: The Tablighis

@Fraudz

my parents, my siblings, my elders, my friends.

with all due respect, this only clarifies that everyone of us is a daee, provided we believe in Allah

[Mr_Fraudia]

Re: The Tablighis

@cricketplaya

Then how do you know these people are coming from that masjid?

they were staying at that masjid, they are not local, but spend time in diff cities, they were here for a few weeks and then moved on.

[Mr_Fraudia]

Re: The Tablighis

@Abdullah_k

with all due respect, this only clarifies that everyone of us is a daee, provided we believe in Allah

with all due respect this also means that we dont necessarily need tableeghi jamat coming to our homes. that is not the only source of knowledge, many of us go to halqa at the masjid and talk to other ppl as well.

although this is not meant to belittle their efforts.

but cant they just call first?

[cricketplaya]

Re: The Tablighis

@Fraudz

they were staying at that masjid, they are not local, but spend time in diff cities, they were here for a few weeks and then moved on.

So then you have not encountered people other than those?

[Abdullah_k]

Re: The Tablighis

@Fraudz

with all due respect this also means that we dont necessarily need tableeghi jamat coming to our homes. that is not the only source of knowledge, many of us go to halqa at the masjid and talk to other ppl as well.

although this is not meant to belittle their efforts.

but cant they just call first?

i am not sure if anyone associated with the work of dawah claims that this is the only way to acquire knowledge of Islam - and obviously we both can agree that this is incorrect. One can acquire knowledge through different means, but how can one build 'Imaan' and 'Yaqeen' - certainly 'only' reading doesn't help.

As far as calling before visits, it's up to each own's interpretation. I can surely give you my point of view; I can't imagine, that if someone has came to my door-step to talk about Allah, to refuse to listen to them - as I mentioned earlier that I consider it to be a great mercy from my Creator. It's not really about who is coming, and when, but sinful person like myself is forever in need of a reminder about our primary responsibility on the face of the earth which is to worhsip and remember Allah and whole heartedly submit to Him.

[Mr_Fraudia]

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i am not sure if anyone associated with the work of dawah claims that this is the only way to acquire knowledge of Islam - and obviously we both can agree that this is incorrect. One can acquire knowledge through different means, but how can one build 'Imaan' and 'Yaqeen' - certainly 'only' reading doesn't help.

As far as calling before visits, it's up to each own's interpretation. I can surely give you my point of view; I can't imagine, that if someone has came to my door-step to talk about Allah, to refuse to listen to them - as I mentioned earlier that I consider it to be a great mercy from my Creator. It's not really about who is coming, and when, but sinful person like myself is forever in need of a reminder about our primary responsibility on the face of the earth which is to worhsip and remember Allah and whole heartedly submit to Him.

okay man I am going to call you at 3 in the morning randomly to talk about religion. :)

Imaan and yaqeen does not come from talking to tableegis either, or does it? I think it comes from inside.

as far as interpretation, teh comon etiquettes in this country are to call people before you go knocking on their door, otherwise respect the sign that says "no solicitors"

[Mr_Fraudia]

Re: The Tablighis

@cricketplaya

So then you have not encountered people other than those?

I have encountered tablighis on a number of occassions. I just never bothered to complain to the masjid before. In past I used to organize gatherings at one guys place for tablighis to meet a bunch of guys..did it all thru my undergrad days

[Mr_Fraudia]

Re: The Tablighis

@Abdullah_k

you can always have a say..go to the chicago markaz and put this affair in front of the elders associated with tableegh

and where is this chicago markaz? do they have an email? or a phone number?

[Mr_Fraudia]

Re: The Tablighis

@Abdullah_k

first of all it's not someone's "own" cause or work - it's the cause of Allah and it's the work of all Prophets; to invite others towards Allah.

Now, one can differ in the method as to how one should be approached, which is completely undertandable. But, then again, it doesn't change the fact that it's 'us' that need Allah, and it's 'us' that need to build firm Imaan and Yaqeen in our hearts that Allah is the One - the Doer and Creator of everything.

Likewise, Allah has put success in sacrifice, and the grant of hidayat lies in the fact that how 'we' can bring ourselves closer to Allah by overcoming our own desires and by becoming the workers of His deen. The bigger the sacrifice; be it one's own precious time out of busy schedules to listen to the talk of Allah or spending freely in the path of Allah; the more the guarantee that Allah will look after us and Will bring us closer to Him.

Just change this around, and for one moment think that OK these guys showed up at my door without calling, fine!, for once, I will go out, and for 'my own benefit' I will remind my other Muslim brother to come and pray the next salaat with Jamaat - just to follow one commandment of Allah which is to 'establish salaat' in whatever capacity..

yeah, I am sure you will drop everything if you have to leave for the airport on a business trip, or your child is sick and crying for you, or you have to finish working on some project in the next fw hours.

bolna toh bohot asaan hota hai warna

[Abdullah_k]

Re: The Tablighis

okay man I am going to call you at 3 in the morning randomly to talk about religion. :)

Imaan and yaqeen does not come from talking to tableegis either, or does it? I think it comes from inside.

as far as interpretation, teh comon etiquettes in this country are to call people before you go knocking on their door, otherwise respect the sign that says "no solicitors"

There's talk and there's invitation towards Allah - if the purpose of talk is invitation and reminder towards Allah, then it will certainly build your Imaan - give it a shot sometime :)

Apart from that, there's absolutely no compulsion in Islam and this applies to the work of dawah. Heck, one can even post a sign saying 'Absolutely No tableeghis'; and obviously no one is to lose except the person himself - if the whole thing really irks.

The common etiquettes are well suited to the common practices, such as business, or meetings etc. However, the work of Allah neither requires pre-requisites nor special considerations for any person based on his/her stature. What's the worse that can happen, a person will simply slam the door shut on your face, or refuse to meet, so you just move on..there's no humiliation or ill-feeling what so ever when you are working as Allah's servant.

Yes, my doors are ALWAYS open for any jamaat or for anyone associated WITH doing the work of dawah, as long as I am home..

[Abdullah_k]

Re: The Tablighis

yeah, I am sure you will drop everything if you have to leave for the airport on a business trip, or your child is sick and crying for you, or you have to finish working on some project in the next fw hours. bolna toh bohot asaan hota hai warna

who is asking to leave all responsibilities. I definitely believe that anyone associated with the work of dawah won't do so. Even though, the stature has no meaning, but almost everyone I know involved with the work of dawah have their own professional lives - it's not that they have turned into jogis/dervesh.

Fulfill whatever obligations you have, nonetheless, make effort on your own self to keep the work of Allah as # 1 and this is the crux of this effort

[Abdullah_k]

Re: The Tablighis

and where is this chicago markaz? do they have an email? or a phone number?

you will have to inquire from your local mosque where the markaz lies for dawah work in Chicago..although, you may have to do some foot work and visit in person to let them know how you feel and what should be done..