The stupiity of being proud of your nationality and race

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I'm proud of my country not because I was born there but I was raised there and specially its a muslim country.

I was born in other country.

I am proud of my mother language and my country language that's the best and sweet language.

I'm proud of my religion not because of I was born in muslim home but when I read quran and understood everything and believed everything is true in quran so I love it.

I'm proud of my race and myself because my family is educated family. I'm proud of what Allah gave to me that's every 1 like about me and they say I'm gr8 and I myself think I'm gr8.

I'm proud of everything what Allah gay to me.

Alhamdolillah. Thanks to Allah for everything that he give me opportunity to born in muslim family, to live in muslim country, have religion islam and all other things.

Islam proud honay say mana karta hai. I'll say I'm happy with every thing.

Zabardast baat kahi.

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There are lots of things that we inherit, but that doesn't stop people from having a sense of pride in it. You might have pride in the way you look, a particular feature maybe, although you had little control in that regard. It's all about balance. There's nothing wrong with feeling great about identifying with something. However, if pride turns into arrogance, prejudice, discrimination, that's unacceptable. Anything in excess/extreme is harmful and a TURN-OFF!

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Well said Redvelvet.

Thanks for your post !!! I really really agree with you !

Why do people always make a link between the pride and the culture or the past of a civilization etc ? I am proud of what I do by myself, what my hands do not of what people before me done ! Have we chosen our origin ? Our family ? Our country ? All cultures are a richness but talking of "pride" when we talk about the origins is illogical !

When I see words like "pure", "pride" it reminds me the Hitlerian theories...

And about Islam, too much nationalism can be harmful for the Islamic Umma which doesn't recognize any form of nationalism . Others Muslims from others nations must not feel excluded by an exacerbated nationalism .

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I think you need to look at this from another perspective.

None of us chooses what family we are born into, but most of us are proud of our household. It is because of our shared experiences as a family. We are proud because we know our parents have sacrificed everything to raise good, honest, educated children. We are proud because we see our older siblings succeed due to their hardwork and determination. We are proud because we know our family has stuck by us through thick and thin. We are gratified to be part of such a tight unit.

Many of us do not choose which high school/secondary school we go to, it is usually determined by our parents or which jurisdiction we live in. But many of us proudly wore our school colors and supported our football teams (both types of football!) because they were our own. We wanted to see them succeed because it was like a personal success. Because in one way or another we feel like we've contributed to their accomplishment. We become proud of our schools because we know it builds leaders. We see our seniors attend top tier universities, we see our athletic teams win championships, we see our academic departments winning awards. We want to be a part of that success, and rightfully so.

When we come out from the womb, we are not proud of our heritage, our culture, our nature or our ethnicity. Shoot, most ten year olds don't care either. I don't think nationalism or patriotism is inherent. This loyalty comes from experience. We all have shared experiences. We have eaten at the same fast food restaurants, shopped at the same stores, listened to the same radio stations. We feel a kinship to these places because we own homes here, our business and barkat comes from these cities and coutries. We all love a place that is familiar and warm. Like your favorite restaurant that you take all your out-of-town friends to and proudly say, "let me take you to my spot." You don't own that restaurant, you have no stake in it and yet you feel as though it is a part of you.

Many of us love our country because its pain and sorrows are our own. If you are Iraqi and find out that back home, your neighbor from childhood was a casualty in an enemy raid, you feel longing and pain for your deteriorating country. If you are American and you learn that your college roommate passed away in the twin tower attacks, you may feel the passion and zeal to protect your country.

If we drink a fizzy, green colored, cream cola for much of our childhood we will happily say that Pakola is the best drink in the world. If we played sports with our friends outside everyday and pursued athletics in school we will always say that football is the best sport in the world. If our mothers, sisters and wives have long hair, a tall statue and glowing skin we will all say that Punjabi women are the most beautiful in the world. Maybe loyalty is not inherent, but it is entirely natural and no new phenomenon.

Likewise, if you had bad experiences with your family, your school, your country etc there is a good possibility that you will become a black sheep, a drop out or treasonous. It is our experiences that shape us and to say that this is stupid is ignoring logic.

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us pakis r definetly the worst

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PAKISTAAAAAAAANNN ZINDABAAAAAAADDDD :emmy:

lama gets shot

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I am viciously proud of my Nationalities, of my ancestory, of the achievements of my Greats and want to be able to live up to their mythologies. They are an extention of my family, of my very now, *very post modern construct of the I. Also, I am a cumulative prooduct of all that, that has heralded before.. and denial of that is Tomfoolery of the most deluded and *self important order.

However, you are from Essex, so that goes some way in explaining why you want to detach yourself from your Geography.

Even Dogs are loyal and territorial. And that, imo is just an instinct by another name..

It's one of our more admirable characteristics, but it is far from exclusively human.

MashAllah very well said! I agree with what you said.

Ofcourse, there is a difference between being proud and being just downright arrogant about it.

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Nothing wrong with being proud of who and what you are, who your ancestors were, and what you have achieved.

Arrogance is a bytch, however, and makes you one too.

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I will never understand it either but try to keep my opinions to myself these days…I always seem to get into a lot of trouble when I express them. :hehe:

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There is nothing wrong in being proud of your nationality and race. Problem comes when you start discriminating on the basis of race and start thinking that your race is superior than others.

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^ Very true...but isnt that the issue being addressed here Xeno?

The feeling of superiority people get when saying they are Pakistani.

I am Pakistani...I have nothing against Pakistan and wish for it to succeed just like any other Brownie living there. However I also believe it takes a lot more then just "mein apne mulk ke liye jaan desakta hoon" to achieve that...thats the easy part IMHO.

I dont think nationalism has any place in Islam and find it ironic when people talk of Pakistani Pride since its a Muslim country.

IMO Arrogance is just ehsaas-e-kammi in a very abrasive wrapper.

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^ perfectly put! :k:

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come on dude and dudess.
Even virus is not all evil IT is essential for life on earth!!!

Pride has,I guess, only one bad thing about it, it make ppl around you uncomfortable.
Every thing else about is good. As a nation It only lead us into good things.

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I think this thread has attracted maximum number of posts from mods from other forums. Does that mean something? Usually mods hardly ever post into other forums.

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Its a Pakistani forum...most of the members and MODs are Pakistani...its natural everyone will have something to say because the topic is so broad and applies to most if not all.

Its not the typical saas-bahu or love-life related thread.