The story of Fatima (as), daughter of the holy prophet (pbuh)

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For those who seek the truth:

From Sahih Bukhari:

Volume 4, Book 53, Number 325:

Narrated 'Aisha:

(mother of the believers) After the death of Allah 's Apostle Fatima the daughter of Allah’s Apostle asked Abu Bakr As-Siddiq to give her, her share of inheritance from what Allah’s Apostle had left of the Fai (i.e. booty gained without fighting) which Allah had given him. Abu Bakr said to her, “Allah’s Apostle said, 'Our property will not be inherited, whatever we (i.e. prophets) leave is Sadaqa (to be used for charity).” Fatima, the daughter of Allah’s Apostle got angry and stopped speaking to Abu Bakr, and continued assuming that attitude till she died. Fatima remained alive for six months after the death of Allah’s Apostle.

She used to ask Abu Bakr for her share from the property of Allah’s Apostle which he left at Khaibar, and Fadak, and his property at Medina (devoted for charity). Abu Bakr refused to give her that property and said, “I will not leave anything Allah’s Apostle used to do, because I am afraid that if I left something from the Prophet’s tradition, then I would go astray.” (Later on) Umar gave the Prophet’s property (of Sadaqa) at Medina to 'Ali and 'Abbas, but he withheld the properties of Khaibar and Fadak in his custody and said, “These two properties are the Sadaqa which Allah’s Apostle used to use for his expenditures and urgent needs. Now their management is to be entrusted to the ruler.” (Az-Zuhrl said, “They have been managed in this way till today.”)

The hadith shows that Abu Baker made the holy prophet’s (pbuh) daughter angry. The holy prophet (pbuh) said:

Volume 5, Book 57, Number 61:

Narrated Al-Miswar bin Makhrama:

Allah’s Apostle said, “Fatima is a part of me, and he who makes her angry, makes me angry.”

The holy lady of Light, Fatima Zahra (as), was so angry with Abu Baker, that she refused to talk to him till her death.

May Allah (swt) guide us to the truth.

[This message has been edited by a1shah (edited January 11, 2002).]

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If u care A1Shah in Sahih Bokhari hadis..Hazrat Abu Bakr is referred as Abu Bakr Saddiq ..a title given by Prophet Muhammad (pBUH) himself..now dont bring these petty day to day business among those hoily people and make part of ur religion.. Hazrat Fatima didnt minded for that thing much than u r lamenting bout wordly things.. we all love hazray Abu Bakr and Hazrat Fatima.. dont blow mole hills into mountains..do try to attenf faraiz first.. these affairs are just normal things among peopel and not a part of Islam..
.. secondly the secong hadis u referred i have never heard..

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[This message has been edited by Degas (edited January 11, 2002).]

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Degas;

Pls stick to the issue.

The authentic hadith from Sahih Bukhari tells you that Abu Baker’s actions angered Fatima (as).

As to the second hadith, pls satisfy yr curiosity at the following link:
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/057.sbt.html

Volume 5, Book 57, Number 61:
Narrated Al-Miswar bin Makhrama:

Allah’s Apostle said, “Fatima is a part of me, and he who makes her angry, makes me angry.”

Angering Fatima (as) is equivalent to angering the holy prophet (pbuh).
ws

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so hundreds of times Hazrat Abu Bakr had made Prophet Muhammad so happy.. ands how is it related here? u think the whole illustrious and pious life of Hazrat Abu Bakr and his tremendous service to Islam goes away for that piece of land.. u must be kidding..

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It is the majority that claim that Abu Baker was pious and led an illustrious life.

We are here to study whether such assertions are true.

Angering and dis-obeying the holy prophet (pbuh) is equivalent to angering Allah (swt) and can void "good" deeds.

So much so, that raising one's voice in front of the holy prophet (pbuh) can void yr deeds, as the qur'an testifies:

[Shakir 49:2] O you who believe! do not raise your voices above the voice of the Prophet, and do not speak loud to him as you speak loud to one another, lest your deeds became null while you do not perceive.

May Allah (swt) reward Abu Baker for his deeds.

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Originally posted by a1shah:
May Allah (swt) reward Abu Baker for his deeds.
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.. yes Inshalaah he would be rewarded .. we trust Holy Prophet to have life long friend Hazrat Abu Bakr Sadiiq .. please call him Sadiq as Prophet Muhammad called him .. u didnt mentioned his battle againast musalama kazzab..

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a1shah for Allah sake dont follow miscreants and read this account also..

For six months Ali(rA) and some of his relatives did not pledge loyalty to Abu Bakr. That was because of a difference of opinion with the Caliph. The holy Prophet had some land at Medina and Khaibar. His daughter, Fatima, and his uncle, Abbas, laid claim to this land. But Abu Bakr set aside the claim, in the light of what the holy Prophet himself had said. "We Prophets cannot be inherited," was his saying; "whatever we leave behind is public property."

Fatima(rA) knew nothing of this saying of her father. She thought she was perfectly right in her claim. This created a little bitterness in her mind, and the mind of her husband, Ali. The hypocrites were quick to add to the misunderstanding.

But Abu Bakr and Ali were equally unselfish. During Fatima's illness, Abu Bakr himself went to see her and cleared away the misunderstanding. After her death, Ali went to Abu Bakr and said, "O Siddiq, we admit your superiority. We do not envy the position Allah has given you. But as relatives of the holy Prophet, we thought Caliphate to be our right. You had taken away this right of ours."

These words brought tears in Abu Bakr's eyes and he said, "By Allah, the relatives of the Prophet are dearer to me than my own relatives."

The assurance satisfied Ali. He went to the mosque and publicly took the pledge of loyalty.

At least try to follow what Hazrat Ali(RA) did..

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thank you for sharing!

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Thanks Degas! But a1shah et al will never understand they can only see negative things.

Rabbeshrah lee sadree; wa yassirlee amree; yafqahoo qaulee.

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[quote]
Originally posted by a1shah:
It is the majority that claim that Abu Baker was pious and led an illustrious life.

We are here to study whether such assertions are true.
[/quote]

Ibrahim says: salaams to all

Just so that Alshah can sleep in peace

Al-Tirmidhi HadithHadith 6111 Narrated byAnas ibn Malik

The Prophet (peace be upon him) said, ** "The most compassionate member of my people towards my people is AbuBakr, the most rigorous regarding Allah's affair is Umar, the most genuinely modest is Uthman,** the one who knows most about obligatory duties is Zayd ibn Thabit, the one who knows best how to recite the Qur'an is Ubayy ibn Ka'b, and the one who has most knowledge about what is lawful and what is prohibited is Mu'adh ibn Jabal. Every people has a trustworthy guardian, and the trustworthy guardian of this people is AbuUbayd ibn al-Jarrah.

Ahmad and Tirmidhi transmitted it, Tirmidhi saying this is a hasan sahih tradition. It is also transmitted in mursal form, on the authority of Ma'mar who cited Qatadah as his authority, and it contains the phrase ** "The most learned in legal matters is Ali."**

was salaam
Ibrahim

** Sleep in Peace Allah (swt) is AWAKE! **

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It seems that A1shah either has an extremely short memory or something else, but let me repost a question that I put to all shia a few months back on this very topic....a question which neither he/she nor anyone else failed to answer

A question for all of the Shia.
If Abu Bakar as-Siddiq did indeed deny Fatimah (ra) of the oasis of Fadak, who came after him? - Umar, ok so he carried on with this gross injustice and again denied her this inheritence, so who came after him? - Uthman, ok so he carried on with this gross injustice and again denied her this inheritence, so who came after him?
Obviously Ali and by your assertions then he also denied her this inheritence???????? What say you now>>
In fact staying with this, once Ali did became the next Amir ul Mumineen why did he not to strive to reverse all the wrongs against him and set the record straight? And why did he not speak up when he was opressed again? Why did not Allah's kalam tell us to follow the 12 Shia Imams, why did Allah almighty not strike lightning into the hearts of those who opressed the shia Imams and thier progeny? And if the the Ashariya Shia swear at the companions, why did Ali not do so as well and say to all the rest of mankind that they too should swear at them?
The reason for my opening this thread is to show the weak arguments of the Rafidah Shia, Rafidah (Rejecters) because they rejected Zayd ibn Alee when he refused to disassociate himself from the first three rightly guided Caliph of Al-Islam.
I believe it was HelloHello who in another post gave us his reasons why he hated the Sahaba. He said that Abu Bakr as-Siddique denied the inheritance of Fatimah, the noble daughter of the noble Nabi (saw). This assertion is nothing new, it is a classical ploy to convince the mainstream to accept their heresy playing on the emotions of the Muslims. In fact this whole Rafidah Shia facade is all based on emotions, not even on intelligence, for if intelligence is used just look at the posts by A1Shah et al who at the one hand agree that Ali ibn Abi Talib (ra) did not say anything or complain of anything about the Sahaba, but then the Rafidah Shia seem to have some special cause to claim that Ali was persecuted. For the Rafidah Shia it has become sawaab (rewarding from Allah) to curse and swear. This is nothing less than jahiliya.
Note that I specifically use the term Rafidah Shia to distinguish this particular group of the Shia as other Shia groups are more closer to the Sunnah and are not inclined towards this heresy.
The following is an excerpt from the book entitled “Talbees Iblis” (The Devil’s Deception) by Ibn al-Jawzee. In this book, he describes in great detail the deviations of some of the main sects who have gone astray. In it he says:

Ultimately, why do the Shia malign the Sahaba-e-karam? The companions of the noble Messenger of Allah. Ibn al-Jawzee goes onto explain this in the same book:

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May Allah curse the liars and the slanderers of those with whom Allah and Allah's Rasool (SAW) are pleased with. Ameen

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[quote]
Originally posted by a1shah:
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The authentic hadith from Sahih Bukhari tells you that Abu Baker's actions angered Fatima (as).
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Allah's Apostle said, "Fatima is a part of me, and he who makes her angry, makes me angry."
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So does it mean that all requests/demands of Hazrat Fatima RA had to be complied with?

To comply with Prophet PBUH's sayings:
"Allah's Apostle said, 'Our property will not be inherited, whatever we (i.e. prophets) leave is Sadaqa (to be used for charity)."

or to conform to Prophet PBUH's sayings:
"Fatima is a part of me, and he who makes her angry, makes me angry."

should we not let Allah SWT to decide if Hazrat Abu Bakr Siddiq RA was right or not? or should we take this matter in our hands and decide his fate and make it part of our beleif?

May Allah SWT guide us all towards right and help us follow the right

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Changez,

May Allah (swt) bless you and yr family for seeking the truth, as your signature suggests.

Only by knowing who was on the right path can we follow those who were Siratal Mustaqium.

I would also like to request the brothers and sisters not to get emotional and resort to name calling, as this will just lead to the thread being banned.

First, please note that it is Sahih Bukhari that tells us that Abu Baker refused to give back Fatima's (as) property. So much so, that she was ANGRY with Abu Baker and refused to talk to him till her death.

This, coming from the Chief of all women in paradise, is AN EXTREMELY SERIOUS ISSUE.

By equating Fatima's (as) anger with that of the holy prophet (pbuh), the prophet (pbuh) has told us that Fatima (as) is ON THE SIDE OF THAT WHICH IS RIGHT AND CORRECT.

Now, please objectively analyze if Abu Baker was correct.

Abu Baker said:-

The Messenger of Allah (PBUH) said:

 We (prophets) do not have any heirs; what we leave behind is to be
 given in charity.

It is amazing to believe that this hadith was not known to the holy prophet's (pbuh) own daughter as well as to Imam Ali (as).

Now, let's look at what the qur'an tells us.

DO PROPHETS (PBUT) LEAVE INHERITANCE

The Holy Qur'an says:

[Pickthal 27:16] And Solomon was David's heir.

While both Sulaymaan and David were prophets and very wealthy. they were
kings at their era. Allah , Exalted, also says:

[Shakir 19:5] And surely I fear my cousins after me, and my wife is barren, therefore grant me from Thyself an heir,
[Shakir 19:6] Who should inherit me and inherit from the children of Yaqoub, and make him, my Lord, one in whom Thou art well pleased.

These are examples that Prophets left inheritances, and as might you have
seen that they seem to contradict the hadith that was narrated by Abu Bakr.

The traditon mentioned by Abu Bakr is fabricated otherwise it would not
contradict Quran.

Now brothers / sisters, you draw your own conclusion. Do you believe in what Abu Baker said, or that which the holy qur'an states ?

ws

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http://www3.pak.org/gupshup/smilies/rolleyes.gif

More sectarianism

I used to think this kind of dialogue was useful, but all I see now is pointless bickering and people pointing out the differences between Sunnis and Shias, rather than pointing out that which should draw us close together as one Ummah.

We all believe that there is none worthy of worship but Allah, and that Mohammad (SAWS) is his final prophet. Please let that suffice.

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[quote]
Originally posted by a1shah:
It is amazing to believe that this hadith was not known to the holy prophet's (pbuh) own daughter as well as to Imam Ali (as).
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Ibrahim say: salaams to all

Very true it is indeed amazing that only the deviators of Islam have problems about Islam and its laws.

Read!

2: 180 ** It is prescribed when death approaches any of you if he leave any goods that he make a bequest ** to parents and next of kin according to reasonable usage; ** this is due from the Allah-fearing.**

181 ** If anyone changes the bequest after hearing it the guilt shall be on those who make the change.** For Allah hears and knows all things.

182 But if anyone fears partiality or wrong-doing on the part of the testator and makes peace between (the parties concerned) there is no wrong in him; for Allah is Oft-Forgiving Most Merciful

Ibrahim says: Alshah, what you have written out of ignorance by your own anlogy amounts to, ** the Prohet (pbuh) failed to know Allah’s command and failed to leave a will ** as to how his proprtey was to be inhertited.

So we need to find out why, don’t we?

Read!

Sahih Al-Bukhari Hadith Hadith 4.1 Narrated by Abdullah bin Umar

Allah's Apostle said, ** "It is not permissible for any Muslim who has something to will to stay for two nights without having his last will and testament written and kept ready with him." **

Sahih Al-Bukhari Hadith Hadith 4.4 Narrated by Al Aswad

In the presence of 'Aisha some people mentioned that the Prophet had appointed 'Ali by will as his successor. '** Aisha said, "When did he appoint him by will?** Verily when he died he was resting against my chest (or said: in my lap) and he asked for a wash-basin and then collapsed while in that state, and I could not even perceive that he had died, so when did he appoint him by will?"

Sahih Al-Bukhari Hadith Hadith 4.3 Narrated by Talha bin Musarrif

I asked 'Abdullah bin Abu Aufa "Did the Prophet make a will?" ** He replied, "No," ** I asked him, "How is it then that the making of a will has been enjoined on people, (or that they are ordered to make a will)?" He replied, ** "The Prophet bequeathed Allah's Book (i.e. Quran)." **

Sahih Al-Bukhari Hadith Hadith 4.2 Narrated by Amr bin Al Harith

(The brother of the wife of Allah's Apostle. Juwaira bint Al-Harith) ** When Allah's Apostle died, he did not leave any Dirham or Dinar (i.e. money), a slave or a slave woman or anything else except his white mule, his arms and a piece of land which he had given in charity .**

Ibrahim says : Alshah will not be able to accept them, Simply because his desire is to cast doubts and create suspicion and lead the Muslims to divide amongst themselves in ignorance

And that to was warned against.

Read!

Sahih Al-Bukhari HadithHadith 8.90 Narrated by Abu Huraira

The Prophet said, "Beware of suspicion, for suspicion is the worst of false tales; and do not look for the others' faults and do not spy, and do not be jealous of one another, and do not desert (cut your relation with) one another, and do not hate one another; and O Allah's worshipers! Be brothers (as Allah has ordered you!")

Was salaam
Ibrahim

** Sleep in Peace Allah (swt) is AWAKE! **

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