THE WAR FOR TRUTH
**WE HAD a great day," said Sgt Eric Schrumpf of the US Marines last Saturday. “We killed a lot of people.”
He added: “We dropped a few civilians, but what do you do?” He said there were women standing near an Iraqi soldier, and one of them fell when he and other Marines opened fire. “I’m sorry,” said Sgt Schrumpf, “but the chick was in the way”.**
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Ahh the mirror..did the writer of this story hear these comments first hand, it doesn't sound like it, nonetheless, these comments are crude and moronic.
"crude and moronic."
If the shoe fits...just reinforces the fact that a US marine said what he did.
The use of Iraqi civilians as human shields is sickening.
Human target practice aint no treat to the eyes and ears of the sane either.
PS: sheild's deflect bullets maybe someone should let the US morons...sorry marines know
Re: The spirit of massacre
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*"WE HAD a great day," said Sgt Eric Schrumpf of the US Marines last Saturday. "We killed a lot of people."
He added: "We dropped a few civilians, but what do you do?" He said there were women standing near an Iraqi soldier, and one of them fell when he and other Marines opened fire. "I'm sorry," said Sgt Schrumpf, "but the chick was in the way".**
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oh my God. It doesn't matter who states this, whether he's American or African.
That's sick.
Somehow can't see African's saying that sort of thing...not saying they wouldn't do it though.
Is this the freedom that Mr.Bush envisages for the poor Iraqi people? :disgust:
THE SADDEST STORY OF ALL](http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/allnews/page.cfm?objectid=12811861&method=full&siteid=50143) Mirror 05 Apr 03
From Anton Antonowicz in Baghdad. Pictures by Mike Moore
AN old man cries over the coffin of his daughter. His wife and younger daughter sit in the dirt outside the mortuary in shock and abject sadness. It is only an hour and 20 minutes since Nadia Khalaf died, too early for total grief to set in. But time enough to know their lives have been shattered forever.
We discovered them during a random visit to Al Kindhi Hospital in North East Baghdad at 1pm. The doctors did not know we were coming - we had an official guide and we were free to choose which hospital. Nadia was lying on a stretcher beside the stone mortuary slab. Her heart lay on her chest, ripped from her body by a missile which smashed through the bedroom window of the family’s flat nearby in Palestine Street.
Her father Najem Khalaf stood beside her corpse. And I shall try to write what he and his family said in exactly the order they said it. I shall try because I hope it will better convey the bewilderment and horror that broke on one Iraqi household yesterday. “A shell came down into the room as she was standing by the dressing-table,” Najem says. "My daughter had just completed her PhD in Psychology and was waiting for her first job. She was born in 1970. She was 33. She was very clever.
“Everyone said I have a fabulous daughter. She spent all her time studying. Her head buried in books. She didn’t have a care about going out enjoying herself. My other daughter is the same. She has a Master’s degree in English and teaches at the university. Me? I’m just a lorry driver. A simple man.” He holds out his dead daughter’s identity card for us to see. His fingers are covered in her blood. I go to offer my condolence to his other daughter Alia, who is 35. “I don’t know what humanity Bush is calling for,” she says in English, "Is this the humanity which lost my sister?
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The use of Iraqi civilians as human shields is sickening.
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It is, but then the American forces should not use schools and churches in Iraq for their military purposes don't you think?
‘‘One man’s body was still in flames,’’ wrote reporter Mark Franchetti. ‘‘Down the road, a little girl, no older than 5 and dressed in a pretty orange and gold dress, lay dead in a ditch next to the body of a man who may have been her father.’’ As a tearful US Marine Lieutenant Matt Martin told Franchetti: ‘‘It really gets to me to see children being killed like this, but we had no choice.’’ :disgust:
Baghdad hospitals flooded with civilian casualties](http://www.boston.com/dailyglobe2/097/nation/City_battles_will_boost_growing_civilian_toll+.shtml) Boston Globe 07 Apr 03
City battles will boost growing civilian toll : By Elizabeth Neuffer
UNITED NATIONS – **Baghdad hospitals yesterday were flooded with civilian casualties, stoking renewed fears that the toll of Iraqi civilian dead will soar as US forces battle for control of the city of nearly 5 million.
Up to 100 casualties per hour were reported arriving in Baghdad’s hospitals as bombardment and fighting intensified yesterday, according to Roland Hugenin-Benjamin, a spokesman for the International Committee for the Red Cross in Baghdad. Hundreds more civilian casualties – both dead and wounded – are likely in the days to come, analysts say, given the deadly nature of urban combat and the Iraqi leadership’s strategy of mingling paramilitary forces with civilians.**
While aerial bombardment appears to be responsible for those Iraqi civilian deaths recorded so far, ground battles may ultimately claim far more. ‘‘It’s more likely that for civilians, the air war casualties have been overestimated and the ground war casualties underestimated,’’ said Sarah Sewall, a former deputy assistant of defense now at Harvard University’s Carr Center for Human Rights.
The growing worry is the fate of the 5 million civilians inside Baghdad. Brigadier General Vincent Brooks, deputy director of operations at the US Central Command, warned that as the final act is played out, it will become more and more difficult to distinguish friend from foe as the remnants of the regime seek to use human shields to protect themselves from the coalition.
‘‘We will continue to be selective and seek precision in all we do,’’ Brooks said yesterday in Qatar. ‘‘But it is clear at this point that the risk is increasing to the civilian population because of decisions made by regime leaders.’’ Avoiding civilian casualties has been a key aim of Washington’s campaign to oust Iraqi President Saddam Hussein. As bombs have pounded targets in Baghdad, the rapid US military thrust northward has kept many American troops from the urban combat that claims civilian lives.
Yet in this war of instantaneous coverage, it is impossible to know with any certainty how many Iraqi civilians have been killed or wounded and by whom. On Friday, the government of Iraq said 1,252 civilians have been killed and 5,103 injured. But hostilities prevent any independent tally from being carried out on the ground. Iraq Body Count, a Britain-based research group that draws on media reports, yesterday put the number of deaths at a minimum of 876 and maximum of 1,049.
But the ever-escalating toll of civilian dead has prompted repeated warnings from UN Secretary General Kofi Annan and international humanitarian aid groups. ‘‘The reports for Baghdad, Karbala, and Hillah are very worrying indeed,’’ Iain Simpson, a spokesman for the World Health Organization, said Friday. Since the war began, civilian casualties have been reported in nearly all of Iraq’s major cities, from the south to the north.
Analysts warn that a full accounting of civilian casualties is essential if the United States hopes to have any sway in a post-war Iraq. ‘‘I don’t want to understate how loudly these civilian casualties will reverberate once it is all over,’’ said William M. Arkin, a military analyst and fellow at Johns Hopkins School of Advanced International Studies. Accounts of civilian casualties by reporters, aid workers, and peace activists cannot provide a full picture of the civilian dead in Iraq. But a review of dozens of accounts written over the past two weeks provides at least a glimpse into how civilians are dying in the US-led war.
Several reports tell of how US forces appear to have accidentally killed civilians. American soldiers are trained to respect the difference between civilians and combatants, but in Iraq, soldiers have been disguised as surrendering civilians and irregular troops have mixed with civilian crowds. According to the Times of London, last Sunday US Marines were lured into a deadly firefight by Iraqi soldiers in civilian garb using women as their scouts. Sixteen Iraqi soldiers were killed in the battle and so were 12 civilians.
‘‘One man’s body was still in flames,’’ wrote reporter Mark Franchetti. ‘‘Down the road, a little girl, no older than 5 and dressed in a pretty orange and gold dress, lay dead in a ditch next to the body of a man who may have been her father.’’ As a tearful US Marine Lieutenant Matt Martin told Franchetti: ‘‘It really gets to me to see children being killed like this, but we had no choice.’’
The Orange County Register’s Gordon Dillow, embedded with Alpha Company, First Battalion, Fifth Marines, last week described how Marines shot a speeding civilian truck that failed to halt, killing three men – only to find bags of rice and no weapons inside. ‘‘I feel so sorry for those guys,’’ Lance Corporal Jeff Guthrie said. In and around Baghdad, growing numbers of civilian casualties are reported from bombing raids, even of small targets. Newlywed Nada Abdallah, 16, was spending her honeymoon in a farmhouse on Baghdad’s outskirts, when a bomb slammed into it last Monday. She and two others were killed.
‘‘I heard the blast, turned around and saw the top floor crumble and debris flying in a cloud of dust,’’ 17-year-old Ahmad Ajmi, told members of the Iraqi Peace Team, visiting scenes of civilian casualties in Baghdad. ‘‘Then I heard the shrieks.’’
Material from Reuters was used in this report.
Title of this forum is pretty irksome.
they had no choice? :-/
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Title of this forum is pretty irksome.
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:-)
its only the title and you think its irksome :-)
think about the people who are being massacered. :-(
Entitiy,
I think they had a choice, but chose not to take it.
I have found that some see things as they will, and some see things as they will have them seen.
24 million Iraqis, or Saddam Hussein?
Here's a quote from everybody's favorite tyrant, it's the mindset that allows it that applies to this:
"A single death is a tragedy. A million deaths is a statistic."
-- Stalin
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Here's a quote from everybody's favorite tyrant, it's the mindset that allows it that applies to this:
"A single death is a tragedy. A million deaths is a statistic."
-- Stalin
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What a jerkie saying. Ugly,
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*Originally posted by AvgAmericanGirl: *
Entitiy,
I think they had a choice, but chose not to take it.
I have found that some see things as they will, and some see things as they will have them seen.
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:-)
they had a choice? when exactly they were given the chance to use this choice?
yeah you see things that your government want you to see. :-)
we see things as they are happening in iraq and muslim world :-)
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*Originally posted by AvgAmericanGirl: *
Ugly
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Very. It's sad that there are still people that can ignore life with terms like "statistic"... or "collateral damage".
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*Originally posted by EntityParadigm: *
:-)
they had a choice? when exactly they were given the chance to use this choice?
yeah you see things that your government want you to see. :-)
we see things as they are happening in iraq and muslim world :-)
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So say you.
I tend to take things easy and hope for the best.