Keeping my parents aside… Since that shouldn’t have been brought into the discussion..
The thing is that instead of singing songs of praise for a person who is destroying Pakistan, one better start speaking the truth. WHy are people so afraid to atleast condemn what is wrong or stay quite. Instead, people come here and make all efforts to praise dictators who are anti-Pakistan. Ofcourse it does not matter to those sitting outside Pakistan living in a utopia.
They don’t know a damn about Pakistan and come here telling us in our face what Pakistan should be and whats right for us. Stay quite or learn about reality.
Threads like these with topics..."** President Musharraf's Muslim World tour"
are not much but PTV 9 o clock khabarnamas. How dare this self imposed leader talks about "Muslim world". I though him and his followers were more interested in "Pakistan first" .
He is the one who got the next door neighbor in the Muslim world bombed, and for "Pakistan's sake" he would even get more of us bombed, just like in Waziristan.
Never has Pakistan in its history seen such a dictator who can sell "EVERYTHING" and that too very cheap.**
Who does not know that before talking about the whole "Muslim world" he should talk about justice in his own country. Does it take a lot to establish justice - Western or Islamic....atleast some sort of justice. If you do not understand its importance, you better come and live in Pakistan.
How hard is it to no t get the army maligned? Why did he have to associate himself with all the loooters he could find? Is that too much to ask for. We all expected better from him.
What is gone is gone. Its not 2001 or 2002. This is 2007. We do not have to accept each and everything the West dictates to us. If you don't get what I am saying than its useless even discussing it.
What efforts has this general taken that has brought the Muslim world closer ? I can't see any. What to talk of the Muslim world, he couldn't even get a controversial dam started in his 7 long years.
And yes the Muslim world solution thing:/......why would anyone listen to us? Have we won their confidence? There are such dictators sitting in many countries of the "Muslim world".
Solution....it won't come from him... It will come when educated people like you and others start speaking the truth. That day we will lay the foundation of truth.
so what is the solution? speaking the truth?
that would be a lot of noise right?
and it appears that truth in Pakistan depends on the person's perspective..
so okay, lets assume...he leaves tomorrow, then what?
So my friends.....all I am saying is its useless even discussing "** President Musharraf's Muslim World tour ** "and then going ahead and living in a fools paradise! He wanted a break on aashoora so he left for some champaigne in a better atmosphere to celebrate the Islamic new year!
so okay, lets assume...he leaves tomorrow, then what?
Thats what every simple Pakistani has been saying since its creation. If not Ayb then what? If not Zia ul Haq then what? If not Mush then what? Well then another dictator comes to fool a herd called Pakistanis.
I have no doubts that there are many capable people in the land of the pure. If not him than there would be many even more capable.
The way you are looking at it seems like.... we have been programmed to accept leaders for their lifetime (until their masters do away with them). Pakistan is in the Muslim world....but it surely isn't a camel kingdom nor is it Saddam's Iraq, Ayotallah's iran or Hosni's egypt....that can't find a leader out of 160 million.
so what is the solution?...I am interested in hearing about it.
and by 'then what' I am not saying oh we have no one to go to. but you said u have a solution in mind, but Musharraf is not the right prson. so if we assume he leave tomorrow, ..what would the solution be?
I mean simply him leaving may not be the solution right. it may be part of the solution, it may be precursor to the solution but in itself it is not a solution.
As I just said, the solution is justice! Lets save Pakisatn first instead of worrying about others. Solution is that he can just step down and let somebody else come who does not gather around him looters. Simple solution....bring justice, establish rule of law and then we can start somewhere.
Have you ever thought why we Pakistanis leave Pakistan? Well,,,,they are sick of its system and especially its leaders who just b... b... b... on the national television about their achievements. It really is like adding salt to wounds. I am not even from a Pakistani village .... I am from its big city ...even then I do not live in peace. Might is right in Pakistan ...from top to bottom.
So justice, justice , justice....Think about it... It is the solution!
laeeq bhai, yaar please dont think of me as some mindless pro musharaaf automaton.
I agree justice is important, but to me that is not the starting point, it is a milestone. so from a solution perspective what is needed to get to this milestone.
The thing is that instead of singing songs of praise for a person who is destroying Pakistan, one better start speaking the truth. WHy are people so afraid to atleast condemn what is wrong or stay quite. Instead, people come here and make all efforts to praise dictators who are anti-Pakistan. Ofcourse it does not matter to those sitting outside Pakistan living in a utopia.
They don't know a damn about Pakistan and come here telling us in our face what Pakistan should be and whats right for us. Stay quite or learn about reality.
well now u are assuming things.
1- If i could kill musharaf --- only reason I wouldn't do it because there is some economic development in country going on in his era.
2-I just pointed out a wrong attatude toward problem. I say that again we can't just sit idle because we are not perfect.
When I say your parents just consider it our parents because no one is perfect but they still believe in good to rase us.
Please do care to explain how you arrived at that conclusion my friend. On a serious note, I do consider it more fruitful and convincing if you would provide rational reasons as to why this tour is a disaster.
Can beggars (which all Muslim countries are in some way or another) bring solutions. Palestine has been burning since decades, and can we expect a solution out of Pakistan? What solution? Palestine can get some solution if they stop fighting amongst themselves. What moral standing does Pakistan have to tell others do this or do that. I am sure just like in all issues, nothing will emerge positive from any of his tours. Is Pakistan that powerful to present soulutions for Middle East problem. I am sure it is not. Let us solve Kashmir issue first.
Let us understand and realize that such point scoring visits are only there to give false notions to the nation that we have a great position in the Muslim world and the world at large. In fact, we have no position. No Muslim has any!
I would call it more of a pleasure trip which all Pakistani leaders take (+ do not forget the whole entourage of thieves (ministers) and chamchas) after they get bored of internal politics.
Ofcourse one should not judge a person like that , however that is what he has proved since his 7 years reign.
lets hear it.