http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/08/08/AR2007080801237.html
Don’t rest on any theory, they will always change after some time! 
Have faith!
Re: The shaky grounds of evolution theories
From the article:
Susan* Anton, a New York University anthropologist and co-author of the Leakey work, said she expects anti-evolution proponents to seize on the new research, but said it would be a mistake to try to use the new work to show flaws in evolution theory.*
"This is not questioning the idea at all of evolution; it is refining some of the specific points," Anton said. "This is a great example of what science does and religion doesn't do. It's a continous self-testing process."
The grounds are shaky because a monkey could see that this field of study is very complicated and they are finding/learning things all the time. It will continue to be developed.
Best bet is incorporate the theory of evolution into your religious beliefs. With God all things are possible, from creating species through evolution to using allegory in His scripture.
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Evolution might have happened, where is it written in Quran that it did not happen. At one stage the "rooh" or order of Allah was bestowed upon the homo sapiens and he could think. This thinking process differenciates between homo sapiens and other animanls. At least this is what i believe.
This evolution vs creation debate is more in christianity as some bible books prescribe down to years of human history where as nowhere in Quran or Ahadith it is specified.
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I believe in the context of evolution it is very possible God gave man special abilities.
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Evolution might have happened...
This evolution vs creation debate is more in christianity .... nowhere in Quran or Ahadith it is specified.
I am surprise that you said that
Quran talked about creation of Adam, asking angels to show respect by bowing, Iblees's refusal. Its all there and in very detail.
Re: The shaky grounds of evolution theories
Best bet is incorporate the theory of evolution into your religious beliefs. With God all things are possible, from creating species through evolution to using allegory in His scripture.
yeah, i mean its not like evolution happened by itself.
Re: The shaky grounds of evolution theories
From the article:
Susan* Anton, a New York University anthropologist and co-author of the Leakey work, said she expects anti-evolution proponents to seize on the new research, but said it would be a mistake to try to use the new work to show flaws in evolution theory.*
"This is not questioning the idea at all of evolution; it is refining some of the specific points," Anton said. "This is a great example of what science does and religion doesn't do. It's a continous self-testing process."
The grounds are shaky because a monkey could see that this field of study is very complicated and they are finding/learning things all the time. It will continue to be developed.
Best bet is incorporate the theory of evolution into your religious beliefs. With God all things are possible, from creating species through evolution to using allegory in His scripture.
Well, we should strive to incorpore all scientific theory... No use in clinging to straw when ground realities speak for themsleves...
We should read relgion within the context of Science, not the other way around.
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First of all mods should not have removed the post of vedic intellect. We should know how non muslims think. cannot hide our head in sand.
For evolution and islam i suggest Tariq to read
Re: The shaky grounds of evolution theories
One thing is clear in Islam that everything occurs as a result of 'Amr-e-Rabbi' or Allah's will. Therefore, there is no such thing as random selection.
Also, in order to do something, Allah does not need design as "Innallaaha ala kullee shai'in qadeer." He just says "kun," in the words of Quran.
Re: The shaky grounds of evolution theories
Why limit God to do something the easy way? Because that's all our little pea brains can grasp? When prescribing arabic words as if God "speaks" them indicates so. The earth is billions of years old, it was NOT formed in its present form overnight with any magic words.
Doesn't it make Him more powerful and knowing to create man through the longer term plan of evolution? Does He have to do things instantly to be powerful?
Re: The shaky grounds of evolution theories
Why limit God to do something the easy way? Because that's all our little pea brains can grasp? When prescribing arabic words as if God "speaks" them indicates so. The earth is billions of years old, it was NOT formed in its present form overnight with any magic words.
Doesn't it make Him more powerful and knowing to create man through the longer term plan of evolution? Does He have to do things instantly to be powerful?
Peace Seminole
Interesting you calling others pea brain, but you didn't put your claim to a test of truth.
Claim: God does things the easy way, therefore there is a limit to God (auzdubillah) because we have not said that God does things in the hard way.
Test: God is All-Powerful, therefore nothing is hard for God.
psyah (the pea brain) has concluded that there is no hard way for God. What do you have to say?
Anyway ... I would like to see what is easier to make things from other things or to build them from scratch?
Think of a castle ... according to you Seminole it is 'easy' to build the castle walls, turrets, flags, towers, arches, windows, drawbridge all in one go from a pile of clay laden ore and some wool and may be cotton.
I would argue that it is easier to first make the bricks, spin the wool for the yarn and weave the flags and tie them posts that have been cast in the kilns.
You are looking at the single step as easier, but in actual fact the reason for the proposal of the evolutionary theory is to argue that subtle changes through time are enough to create the beauty we see around us. That there is no need to believe in the Creator.
Intelligent design toters are people who have become convinced in the "patterns" and at the same time are adherent to their beliefs thus causing a fusion in the two domains.
Well here is one question for you Seminole ... Why do you limit God as to assume that He has only left "patterns" of what you call 'evolution' rather than a brilliant test to see if mankind can delve in deep enough to see the patterns are just our minds 'making shapes in the clouds'?
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Seminole,
your discussion is very good.
but why not understand that God says, 'be and it becomes!'
the more illuminating fact is that it is not the instant use of the creation, but the unexpected one. the miracle of birth and late on the on coming of death
to a life cycle, are very self evident phenomena.
the fact that the planet is round, and people don’t fall off of it.
that life is renewed, in flora and fauna even after brutal damage done to it by humans, who are yet another creation of God.
so, it is unlikely that God's creation is contingent on specs from somewhere else.
man is not the perfect thing that God created and God tells about it.
for people to make peace with th idea to be comfortable in their skins, and be life constructive was the purpose, but the total opposite is happening in this world.
And that one can believe in that God has left the ignominy of human race to its own crappy devices or learn from one's own losses,
that in humans' case, even evolutionary process will fail it.
there i science to everything that God created.
not one physical thing can exist without a method to its being.
pretty well thought out planning.
most of humans' creation is not self sustainable. it relies on ancilary support in everything. humans cannot fathom its fool proof intellligent scalability, unless they learn the life constructivism in there.
Dushwari
Re: The shaky grounds of evolution theories
From the article:
Susan* Anton, a New York University anthropologist and co-author of the Leakey work, said she expects anti-evolution proponents to seize on the new research, but said it would be a mistake to try to use the new work to show flaws in evolution theory.*
"This is not questioning the idea at all of evolution; it is refining some of the specific points," Anton said. "This is a great example of what science does and religion doesn't do. It's a continous self-testing process."
The grounds are shaky because a monkey could see that this field of study is very complicated and they are finding/learning things all the time. It will continue to be developed.
Best bet is incorporate the theory of evolution into your religious beliefs. With God all things are possible, from creating species through evolution to using allegory in His scripture.
Peace again Seminole
This and a lot of science that takes place today is bad science, in fact I would be loathe to calling it such.
When an hypothesis is made it should be based on certain findings. The next thing to do is to find the falsification tests, and/or the limits of the theory. Instead we see here people protecting the idea and not letting anyone attempt to falsify the theory, rather they would spend more time and money finding shrapnel supportive evidence and go to length to advertise it.
Evidence for a theory only supports it. However, evidence sought against a theory will prove the theory right or wrong. You can bring endless things to only give weight to a theory, but you only need one thing to refute it.
She (Anton) says "... science is a continuous self-testing process.", but wouldn't it defeat the purpose of religion if it brought theories instead of hard facts, that it told only half the story and you had to wait a few centuries for the next chapter? Again it's people arguing with a frame of mind that cannot escape it's bias.
For this reason I would argue that science should be seen from within the framework of religion. Unlike what someone earlier has posted.
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Quran talked about creation of Adam, asking angels to show respect by bowing, Iblees's refusal. Its all there and in very detail.
agree n very good answer.
n this monkey thing was azab on some nation.
End of story.
Re: The shaky grounds of evolution theories
er okay, evolution is founded on shaky grounds says a bunch of people who believe in angels, god, heaven, hell, and other concepts founded in concrete evidence. give me a break, "believers".
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i happen to know a lot of phd in bio and stuff... and they told me (and i believe so) that if science ever proved one thing with 100% certainty then it is theory of evolution.....
Re: The shaky grounds of evolution theories
i happen to know a lot of phd in bio and stuff... and they told me (and i believe so) that if science ever proved one thing with 100% certainty then it is theory of evolution.....
huh? and it is still a THEORY??? what the?
Re: The shaky grounds of evolution theories
look do not take “theory” in common parlance as theory in science. You are taking cue of Dr Zakir Nayak’s logic in evolution theory which is inherently flawed. For explanation of “theory” in scientific context, please read below.