The Shadowless Prophet--HADITHS (for JAWAAN)

AMTH,

A few momths ago i wrote in an article the belief of Sunnis that Sayyedna Rasool Allah sal Allahu alayhi wa sallam did not possess a shadow; typically Jawaan ridiculed it (as is the wont of Wahaabis)–but here are the hadiths he requested. I hope he is honest enough now to change his mind…

Taarikh agar dhoonday gi saani-e-Muhammad (sal Allahu alayhi wa sallam)
Saani to baRee cheez hai saaya na milega!


akhmmmmmm so you have come back at last!!! Ok i will read that later but answer my another stupid question if you will please.

Do you believe that MOhammad was a HUMAN, like you and me? YOU tell me just in simple words WAS MOHAMMAD HUMAN LIKE ANYOTHER?
your answer should be YES OR NO!!!

If you say YES he was human than...you are talking ALL non-sense about he NOT having a shadow. DOESNT MAKE SENSE>!!!
IF you say NO than i will not debate on this issue because you believe that mohammad was NOT Human.

I happen to believe that he was HUman like me, he could smell, he went to bathroom....he was a normal human being..only difference was that he was a PROPHET.

Saying that he had shadow or not does not increase our respect for him...saying that he had shadow does not make you a better muslim...saying that he had a shadow does not bring you closer to jaanah and closer to allah...what really matter is that we do what he told us to...what really matter is that we do what was revealed on him(QURAN)...what really matter is that we follow his and his companions foot steps in orders to be closer to allah and jaanah...

I think this whole shadow thing is another illusion from the munifikss and shetaan to confuse us and creat conflicts among muslims...

If something as solid as humans which moves...MUST have shadow!!!

waiting for you to answer my question will read your post again later and will see how it is....laterzz
Plz let me know what site did you got that from?!!! thanks

Jaawan


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My parents tell me that he was shadowless and my parents also said that Fatima, Ali, Hassan, and Husayn were also shadowless.

Dear Brother asif...

Please state some hadith(S) from
Al-Bukhari and/or Muslim...and name the compainions who narrated those hadiths...

I happen to find some mistakes in the books of later Imamss...or people who have NOt seen the prophet...

2pak..give me a break will yaa...what is in quran and hadith is only thing that is right...no matter what you parents say ask them for proffs...

IF someone is human, than NO matter whattttt he or she must MUST have shadow...a man with common sense understands that...

Jaawan


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IF someone is human, than NO matter whattttt he or she must MUST have shadow...a man with common sense understands that...

Jawaan please be careful of what you say...

Was Prophet Isa (AH) not a human .... and is a human not only concieved through the reporductive act ... but ..... :)

If Allah is able to see all and create all, then what is a shadow.... I am not saying that Prophet Muhammed (PHUB) did or did not have a shadow, but rather that we should not doubt its possiblity completely and say its impossible.

Jawaan...>>If you say YES he was human than...you are talking ALL non-sense about he NOT having a shadow. DOESNT MAKE SENSE>!!! <<

I do not know if Prophet Mohammad, swaw, had a shadow or not. It does not increase/decrease my respects and salutations for him in any event. But the findings posted by Asif needs to be read more vigorously and comprehended in their entirety. The emphasis is that Prophet Mohammad's nur or light was more than anyother around him. Be it sun or moon. This is not difficult or impossible to comprehend as Allah is capable of everything. If he could ascend him to heaven or would empower him to split the moon in half (as Qura~n elucidates) this is piece of cake for Allah.

Jawaan you base your answers by asking a question, that if we beleive that Mohammad, swaw, was a non human, than it is possible for him to not to have a shadow. Well this argument my friend is very childish, as there are many things around us which are not human, but do have shadows. Like trees, chairs, homes, computers, space shuttles, or for that matter anything and everything has a shadow, irrespective of it being what??

I know some people do believe these folklore that Prophet had no shadow or that he, swaw, discharged no waist, or that as soon as he did, the earth swallowed it. And there are some reports that few kept waiting, in secret, for the Prophet to go relieve himself, and then rushed to fetch it. Only to be disappointed to note that everything was gone. The earth swallowed it. I dont know.

Hmmmm So im being childish here..if i say that Mohammad was a human? He was a human and he as a NORMAL human. He was a HUMAN agree?

HMCQ bahii...Hazarat isah was a human but he was created on order of allah. It does NOT make him son of allah...(nauzu billa) he healed and brought back dead to life that does not make him something more than a human. He did on orders of allah he didnt had any powers of his own...

Now lets get to the point...without any hadiths or qurani verses to prove me wrong or right...
MOhammad as a normal human being right? OK he was. Ok when he got hurt in some battle didnt he bleed he did like any other human being would...there are many other things that say that he was a NORMAL human being such as eating, going to bathroom, sleeping, crying...
** As i said earlier it not important that we focus on weather Mohammad had a shadow or not...it is important that we focus on our selves and how can we get close to allah and do what his prophet Mohammad told us to do...we will NOT be question about weather we knew if Mohammad had a shadow or not.**

I have read books of hadith such as Bukhari and Muslim. And i do not find any thing on shadow of the prophet it does not discuss it. Maybe it does but as far as i read it those books of hadith do not...and i have said this earlier
i happen to find mistakes in the books other than bukhari and/or muslim theses books have been proven to be authentic and most others are not...i would love to see something about this topic from bukhari and/or muslim...

Jaawan


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Jawaan...>>Hmmmm So im being childish here..if i say that Mohammad was a human? He was a human and he as a NORMAL human. He was a HUMAN agree?<<

Please do not feel offended. I am saying that what has shadow got to do with one/or something being human or not??? While you base your logic that if Mohammad, swaw, was not a human, it may be possible for him to not have a shadow!!!

shadows are caused by putting light on something. Be it human or animal. Now if the source of the light is dimmer than the object itself, obviously there won't be any shadow. People who believe such notion are actualy saying that Propeht Mohammad swaw,'s light or nur, if you will, was much brighter and shineir than the sun or moon. So I guess such beliefs are metaphors, in my opinion.

There is another Moulana, Ala' Hadhrat Imam Ahmad Raza Khan Bareilvi. A very well renowed personality in certain religious circles. He goes on the extend that he writes in one of his books (I have posssibly every book authored by him here in my closet, as my wife is his admirer) Anyhow he says that Propehts make love to their spouses in their graves.

There is one school of thought which says that when Prophet Mohammad swaw, went to heaven and finaly to sidra tul mintaha ( a place where Angel left him alone ) And he looked around, all he saw was a mirror.

So.......There is no dearth of people hulicinating ideas!!!

AMTH,

Jawaan this is very sad (but very typical of the wahaabi mentality)--for ages you clamour on about me bringing you hadiths about the shadowless-ness of the Beloved Messenger sal Allahu alayhi wa sallam; when I bring you the hadiths--see my post!--you suddenly start talking about LOGIC!!!

The fact is that in your so called wahaabi madrasahs you are taught to denigrate the status of Sayyedna RAsool Allah alayhi salaato salaam; when proofs are provided you suddenly change the goal-posts. Please tell me what is wrong with the hadiths above, o great muhaddith who can find mistakes in the works of the classical hadith books!! Excuse me, I didn't know we were in the presence of such a great hadith scholar who says that all other than bukhari/muslim shareef are not trustworthy! How about the SahaaH as-Sitta? forget that the ulama have listed over 200 hadith collections--o but dont you know mr. wahaabi here knows better...
As for your other question--yes, Sayyedna Rasool Allah alayhi salaato salaam were a human being--but not like other human beings; like a ruby is a stone but not like other stones!

He alayhi salaato salaam was both bashar AND noor on the testimony of the Qur'an and the hadiths.

You wahaabis accept only the bashar and even THEN you try to belittle Our Master sal Allahu alayhi wa sallam;

Allah's curses be on all those who belittle the Messenger of Allah.

NOW read the whole of my original post and if you have problems with it--please share them with us--if they are sensible.

Brother BAykhatr--yes Ala Hazrat was a great scholar of Ahle Sunnah; he wrote about a 1000 books -many still unpublished so i doubt if your wife has all of his books; he was a real lover of SAyyedna Rasool Allah alayhi salaam.

Brother the concept of Noor of Rasool Allah is not a metaphorical concept but a physical onew as the above hadiths show.

Brother you must be careful in using words lie 'hallucinatory ideas' when referring to anything related to SAyyedna Habib Allah sal Allahu alayhi wa sallam as there is the danger of gustaakhi.

[This message has been edited by Asif (edited January 04, 2000).]

[This message has been edited by Asif (edited January 04, 2000).]

Asif....
Why do u make it a point to mention 'wahabis' in every statement? And where did u learn that wahabis denigrate Prophet SAW?
Jawaans opinions are not based on wahabism..they are based on a narrow vision. However, ur own opinions, without any basis, are based on hatred of wahabis for some reason, and ur arguments show that u dont know much about them either.

Before u assume anything, I am NOT a wahabi.

brother Akif--the kind of arguments which Jawaan is using are very similar to arguments used by wahaabis--who nowadays are under the name of 'salafis'. But if he is not a wahaabi--then i apologise to him but a person is identified by his words and actions...

as for what i know about wahaabis brother i have spend the last 6 or 7 years studying there doctrines and i know how different they are from the mainstream Sunni position.
I do hate there doctrine because it is based on the idea that only they are right and what muslims have been practising for the past 1000+ years is all bid'at and shirk; most of all they display terrible ignorance of islamic fiqh and a certain arrogance; recently they published a 'improved' version of the Ihya of Imam GHazzali rahmatullah alayhi! Basically their contention was that the original magnus opus was full of too many mistakes and bidahs (such as strongly advocating sufism for example according to them!); when all the muslims are agreed that hazrat ghazzali was one of the greatest--if not THE greatest-scholar in our history!
So my hatred of them is not without reason...

as for whether they denigrate Sayyidina Rasool Allah sal Allahu alayhi wa sallam, do the following articles of wahaabi belief sound like praise to you:

mohd. ibn abdul wahaab referred to Our Beloved Prophet's rawdah (roza mubaarak) as the 'sanam-e-akbar' (the greatest idol). he even tried to destroy it physically. astaghfirullah.

He said and wrote that the Beloved Prophet alayhi salaam had mingled with the dust. Astaghfirullah! when Sunni aqeedah is that the bodies of prophets (and awliya and martyrs) do not disintegrate after death.

they consider sending salawat and salaam upon Rasool Allah as bidah.

they consider visiting the blessed mausoleum as shirk.

they say that the Beloved Nabi was just like any other man. (Astaghfirullah; naudhubillah they are comparing themelves to the Perfect Man.) And they say it as a means to denigration which is kufr.

Imam Malik said that whoever says that SAyyedina RAsool Allah alayh salatosalaam hs been diminished by death has entered into kufr.

they have rubbed out the 'Ya' bit of Ya Rasool Allah from the grill covering the Blessed Tomb.

They say that the Beloved Prophet did not know any of the ghayb; in fact they say that -astaghfirullah astaghfirullah--shaytaan has more knowledge than RAsool Allah sal Allahu alayhi wa sallam..

they deny the noor of SAyyedina Rasool Allah sal Allahu alayhi wa sallam whereas the correct position -and position accepted by all 4 schools of sunni law--is that Habib e KHuda was both noor (Qad jaa akum min Allahi noor) AND bashar.

it is related that once mohd. ibn abdul wahaab najdi drew three lines in the sand wrote 'Muhammad, Ali, Abdul QAdir Jilani' and said these are all paths to hell. Astaghfirullah.

they consider most muslims as polytheists yet they are less than 2 % of the muslim population! the Blessed Prophet predicted them in a sahih hadith which says that from Najd will come 'al qar al-shaytaan'....

Thank You brother Asif for ur response. One thing that i believe however, is that the differences that different Muslims sects have amongst themselves are not religious, they are all political. If at all they were religious, the followers wouldnt be so much worried about what 'others' think of their beliefs. They would only be worried about what Allah SWT thinks about them, because we are only answerable to Him. The Wahabi sect, from what i know, started off as being pretty close to sunnis, and ultimately, their careless attitudes took them far away from sunnis in similarities. Im not gonna go into their details. I just believe that as long as the basic beliefs are the same, we should build on those. Islam teaches 'akhuwwat', not 'tafarraqa'.

brother akif--i dont want to drag this argument any more but just to point out that do any of the list of differences between sunnis and wahaabis to you look like political points?! also brother you are right--and i dont give a hoot what wahaabis (or shias or anyone else) thinks of my aqeedah as Allah Taala KNows BUT BUT BUT it IS also a part of the deen to defend the correct beliefs from attack from heretics...

:)

lol! Brother asif or who ever said " i have spent years studying thire doctrine" Please tell me what is doctrine of wahabis?

Is it hand written book which is few centuries old or is it QURAN and HADITH?

I Believe its QUran and HADITH right? Yeah it is!
You see the Prophet mohammad as your grandparents saw and thire parents saw you dont NOT see him as he is in hadith and quran. he was no doubt a "NOOR" in this world but that noor was his teachings NOT that he was noor(light) his teachings are NOOR or light they eliminate darkness in the hearts of non muslims>! it does not mean that he was "light" on which has no shadow but it is one of the components to make a shadow.
I follow quran and hadith NOT my parents or my granparents nor thire parents.
I dont follow some few centuries old books written by some "muffties"! narrow mind you say well call it what ever you want I I KNOW everything besides QURAN and HADITH is wrong!!!
YOU people need to stop following "mulvies" and start reading real hadiths and quran with meaning!

see ya good luck!

Jaawan


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