The separation of East Pakistan

I got some time now, broad topic, but see if anyone wants to dunk it out. Don’t get me wrong, I think that separation from East Pakistan was one of the best things to happen politically, economically, and socially for Pakistan. But some people try and legitimize the separation of East Pakistan on the grounds that East Pakistanis were victims, that they were treated unfairly (on grounds they’re black), and that Punjabis were responsible for ignoring their plight. Then they claim that West Pakistan illegally prevented an East Pakistani election winner from taking office, on the grounds he was East Pakistani (and presumably because he was black), sent West Pakistani soldiers in to commit what would be considered a genocide of 3 million people. This, they claim, forced them to join hands with Hindu India against West Pakistan. This treachery resulted in Pakistan’s only loss to India during a war.

I think all the above is wrong, incorrect, and by now has been proven to be incorrect. I’ll start with two articles.

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A review of one of the famous incidents during the 1971 war recently found the following inconsistencies in the portrayal of the war

*The truth about the Jessore massacre *

*The massacre may have been genocide, but it wasn’t committed by the Pakistan army. The dead men were non-Bengali residents of Jessore, butchered in broad daylight by Bengali nationalists, reports Sarmila Bose *

*The bodies lie strewn on the ground. All are adult men, in civilian clothes. A uniformed man with a rifle slung on his back is seen on the right. A smattering of onlookers stand around, a few appear to be working, perhaps to remove the bodies. *

***The caption of the photo is just as grim as its content: ‘April 2, 1971: Genocide by the Pakistan Occupation Force at Jessore.’ It is in a book printed by Bangladeshis trying to commemorate the victims of their liberation war. ***

*It is a familiar scene. There are many grisly photographs of dead bodies from 1971, published in books, newspapers and websites. *

*Reading another book on the 1971 war, there was that photograph again ? taken from a slightly different angle, but the bodies and the scene of the massacre were the same. But wait a minute! The caption here reads: ‘The bodies of businessmen murdered by rebels in Jessore city.’ *

*The alternative caption is in The East Pakistan Tragedy, by L.F. Rushbrook Williams, written in 1971 before the independence of Bangladesh. Rushbrook Williams is strongly in favour of the Pakistan government and highly critical of the Awami League. However, he was a fellow of All Souls College, Oxford, had served in academia and government in India, and with the BBC and The Times. There was no reason to think he would willfully mislabel a photo of a massacre. *

*And so, in a bitter war where so many bodies had remained unclaimed, here is a set of murdered men whose bodies are claimed by both sides of the conflict! Who were these men? And who killed them? *

*It turns out that the massacre in Jessore may have been genocide, but it wasn’t committed by the Pakistan army. The dead men were non-Bengali residents of Jessore, butchered in broad daylight by Bengali nationalists. **It is but one incident, but illustrative of the emerging reality that the conflict in 1971 in East Pakistan was a lot messier than most have been led to believe. Pakistan’s military regime did try to crush the Bengali rebellion by force, and many Bengalis did die for the cause of Bangladesh’s independence. Yet, not every allegation hurled against the Pakistan army was true, while many crimes committed in the name of Bengali nationalism remain concealed. *

*Once one took a second look, some of the Jessore bodies are dressed in salwar kameez ? an indication that they were either West Pakistanis or ‘Biharis’, the non-Bengali East Pakistanis who had migrated from northern India. *

*As accounts from the involved parties ? Pakistan, Bangladesh and India ? tend to be highly partisan, it was best to search for foreign eye witnesses, if any. My search took me to newspaper archives from 35 years ago. The New York Times carried the photo on April 3, 1971, captioned: ‘East Pakistani civilians, said to have been slain by government soldiers, lie in Jessore square before burial.’ The Washington Post carried it too, right under its masthead: ‘The bodies of civilians who East Pakistani sources said were massacred by the Pakistani army lie in the streets of Jessore.’ “East Pakistani sources said”, and without further investigation, these august newspapers printed the photo. *

*In fact, if the Americans had read The Times of London of April 2 and Sunday Times of April 4 or talked to their British colleagues, they would have had a better idea of what was happening in Jessore. In a front-page lead article on April 2 entitled ‘Mass Slaughter of Punjabis in East Bengal,’ The Times war correspondent Nicholas Tomalin wrote an eye-witness account of how he and a team from the BBC programme Panorama saw Bengali troops and civilians march 11 Punjabi civilians to the market place in Jessore where they were then massacred. “Before we were forced to leave by threatening supporters of Shaikh Mujib,” wrote Tomalin, “we saw another 40 Punjabi “spies” being taken towards the killing ground?” *

*Tomalin followed up on April 4 in Sunday Times with a detailed description of the “mid-day murder” of Punjabis by Bengalis, along with two photos ? one of the Punjabi civilians with their hands bound at the Jessore headquarters of the East Pakistan Rifles (a Bengal formation which had mutinied and was fighting on the side of the rebels), and another of their dead bodies lying in the square. He wrote how the Bengali perpetrators tried to deceive them and threatened them, forcing them to leave. As other accounts also testify, the Bengali “irregulars” were the only ones in central Jessore that day, as the Pakistan government forces had retired to their cantonment. *

*Though the military action had started in Dhaka on March 25 night, most of East Pakistan was still out of the government’s control. Like many other places, “local followers of Sheikh Mujib were in control” in Jessore at that time. Many foreign media reported the killings and counter-killings unleashed by the bloody civil war, in which the army tried to crush the Bengali rebels and Bengali nationalists murdered non-Bengali civilians. *

*Tomalin records the local Bengalis’ claim that the government soldiers had been shooting earlier and he was shown other bodies of people allegedly killed by army firing. But the massacre of the Punjabi civilians by Bengalis was an event he witnessed himself. Tomalin was killed while covering the Yom Kippur war of 1973, but his eye-witness accounts solve the mystery of the bodies of Jessore. *

*There were, of course, genuine Bengali civilian victims of the Pakistan army during 1971. Chandhan Sur and his infant son were killed on March 26 along with a dozen other men in Shankharipara, a Hindu area in Dhaka. The surviving members of the Sur family and other residents of Shankharipara recounted to me the dreadful events of that day. Amar, the elder son of the dead man, gave me a photo of his father and brother’s bodies, which he said he had come upon at a Calcutta studio while a refugee in India. The photo shows a man’s body lying on his back, clad in a lungi, with the infant near his feet. *

*Amar Sur’s anguish about the death of his father and brother (he lost a sister in another shooting incident) at the hands of the Pakistan army is matched by his bitterness about their plight in independent Bangladesh. They may be the children of a ‘shaheed,’ but their home was declared ‘vested property’ by the Bangladesh government, he said, in spite of documents showing that it belonged to his father. Even the Awami League ? support for whom had cost this Hindu locality so many lives in 1971 ? did nothing to redress this when they formed the government. *

In the book 1971: documents on crimes against humanity committed by Pakistan army and their agents in Bangladesh during 1971, published by the Liberation War Museum, Dhaka, I came across the same photo of the Sur father and son’s dead bodies. It is printed twice, one a close-up of the child only, with the caption: ‘Innocent women were raped and then killed along with their children by the barbarous Pakistan Army’. Foreigners might just have mistaken the ‘lungi’ worn by Sur for a ‘saree’, but surely Bangladeshis can tell a man in a ‘lungi’ when they see one! And why present the same ‘body’ twice?

*The contradictory claims on the photos of the dead of 1971 reveal in part the difficulty of recording a messy war, but also illustrate vividly what happens when political motives corrupt the cause of justice and humanity. The political need to spin a neat story of Pakistani attackers and Bengali victims made the Bengali perpetrators of the massacre of Punjabi civilians in Jessore conceal their crime and blame the army. The New York Times and The Washington Post “bought” that story too. The media’s reputation is salvaged in this case by the even-handed eye-witness reports of Tomalin in The Times and Sunday Times. *

As for the hapless Chandhan Sur and his infant son, the political temptation to smear the enemy to the maximum by accusing him of raping and killing women led to Bangladeshi nationalists denying their own martyrs their rightful recognition. In both cases, the true victims ?Punjabis and Bengalis, Hindus and Muslims ? were cast aside, their suffering hijacked, by political motivations of others that victimised them a second time around.

http://www.telegraphindia.com/1060319/asp/look/story_5969733.asp

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In my opinion let Bengali members (Hindus and Muslims from Bangladesh/East Pakistan) contribute to this section.

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Here are a couple more references. The first article is based around a major history conference that took place in the US recently upon declassification of reports from South Asia. Almost everyone there, including Bangladeshi academics, agreed that the original figure was between 26,000 and 300,000 (as reported by the H Rehman commission Rep), and that the figure of 3million was wrongly translated into English!. The Bangladeshi ambassador even admits to the baloney of the casualty figures.

"During the seminar, Bangladeshi scholars acknowledged that their official figure of more than 3 million killed during and after the military action was not authentic.

They said that the original figure was close to 300,000, which was wrongly translated from Bengali into English as three million.

***Shamsher M. Chowdhury, the Bangladesh ambassador in Washington who was commissioned in the Pakistan Army in 1969 but had joined his country’s war of liberation in 1971, acknowledged that Bangladesh alone cannot correct this mistake. *Instead, he suggested that Pakistan and Bangladesh form a joint commission to investigate the 1971 disaster and prepare a report.

Almost all scholars agreed that the real figure was somewhere between 26,000, as reported by the Hamoodur Rahman Commission, and not three million, the official figure put forward by Bangladesh and India."

http://www.dawn.com/2005/07/07/nat3.htm

Here’s also a report that was presented at the same conference that was the first proper study of the '71 war..and it was written by an Indian.

http://www.epw.org.in/showArticles.php?root=2005&leaf=10&filename=9223&filetype=html
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The Bose paper was presented at the following conference in the US attended by Indians, Bengalis, Americans and others.

"Session 3:
*South Asia in Crisis during the Nixon Administration *

Loy Henderson Auditorium

Chair: Dr. Peter A. Kraemer, Office of the Historian, U.S. Department of State

Panelists:

‘We do not see any sign or hope:’ U.S.-Bangladesh Contacts in 1971
Dr. Ali Riaz, Illinois State University

The 1971 South Asian Crisis: U.S. Policy Revisited
*Dr. Imtiaz Ahmed, University of Dhaka *

Anatomy of Violence: An Analysis of Acts of Terror in East Pakistan in 1971
Dr. Sarmila Bose, George Washington University

Nixon’s White House and Pakistan: The Tilt that Failed
*F.S. Aijazuddin, OBE *

*Comment: Dr. Sumit Ganguly" *

http://www.state.gov/r/pa/ho/46059.htm

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I don't get this:
India helped in the liberation of bangladesh. But why is it that there are so many anti-India militants there?

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Mango Bhai,
1971 war is also known as a 'lost war of India' eventhough East Pakistan became Bangladesh but India got its share millions of refugees.

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I think they were mostly Chakma tribes and Hindus?
Well if you forcefully send them back, they will be exterminated by militants. It makes more sense tolet them live in India itself.

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Thank you for the compliments.....
And what is the reason for 3 million Afghans to come as refugees to pakistan? that's the major question here.

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The war is not the point. You tried to (stupidly) suggest that India or Bharat had the right to invade East Pakistan because of the 10 million refugees burdening India, but this lot of refugees is less of a burden than the current Afghani refugee situation in Pakistan. But does Pakistan complain, nope, it helps them, and only sends them back as a last resort. It doesnt resort to flaring up a war, based on refugees as an excuse for aggression.

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roadrunnerA review of one of the famous incidents during the 1971 war recently found the following inconsistencies in the portrayal of the war

**The truth about the Jessore massacre* *

The massacre may have been genocide, **but it wasn’t committed by the Pakistan army. The dead men were non-Bengali residents of Jessore, butchered in broad daylight by Bengali nationalists, reports **Sarmila Bose* *

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I regret to say, the above report on the basis of which you have started this discussion is not going to yield any conclusion, except, it may satisfy your
pre-occupied thoughts!

Out of hundreds of individuals one can easily find one or two "exceptionally" talented jounrnalists coming out with contradictory reports and their own conclusion.

Though not directly related with the topic can you agree to following?

(1) Lunatics like Ahmedinejad presents some reports and photographs trying to prove that Jews massacred by Nazis is a myth and fabrication by Zionists to gain sympathy??? Can we agree??

(2) A few reports and photographs showing US flag on "moon" waving and claiming that the entire Appollo mission was a myth and conspiracy and NSASA actually shot it in a studio??

(3) A bit amusing but Salman Rushdie (a muslim) from Bombay writes some Satanic Verses in his comedy novel. Do you believe there were Satanic Verses revealed through your prophet?? clearly NOT.

Appreciate your sense of patriotism, but the desperation to defend Pakistani armies role in massacre is not fair.

I agree as mentioned in report that not all killings were done by Army and there were incidents of violence among Bengalis and others, but that doesnot mean Army was not responsible...and yes..I am sure if one thinks carefully he will know that Jassore was not the ONLY incident???

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Out of hundreds of individuals one can easily find one or two "exceptionally" talented jounrnalists coming out with contradictory reports and their own conclusion
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This is the point I'm trying to make you understand. It's not just these two exceptionaly talented journalists. It's every academic expert on the 1971 war that attended the **South Asia in Crisis: United States Policy, 1961-1972 June 28-29, 2005 Loy Henderson Auditorium **meeting/conference above that agreed with what was said. Aside from this, the reports mentioned above are the only systematic analysis done of the 1971 war. All the other reports were from 1971 itself and most of this was Indian and Bangladeshi propaganda.

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Though not directly related with the topic can you agree to following?

(1) Lunatics like Ahmedinejad presents some reports and photographs trying to prove that Jews massacred by Nazis is a myth and fabrication by Zionists to gain sympathy??? Can we agree??

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I dont follow Ahmadinejad. But isnt what he trying to say to talk openly about it? People dont have to agree with him.

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(2) A few reports and photographs showing US flag on "moon" waving and claiming that the entire Appollo mission was a myth and conspiracy and NSASA actually shot it in a studio??

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I havent followed this either. But if something defies physical laws, then it's probably fake. However in this case, there is a rebuttal, I'm not sure how concrete it is.

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(3) A bit amusing but Salman Rushdie (a muslim) from Bombay writes some Satanic Verses in his comedy novel. Do you believe there were Satanic Verses revealed through your prophet?? clearly NOT.

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So? I dont see your point.

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Appreciate your sense of patriotism, but the desperation to defend Pakistani armies role in massacre is not fair.

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:D no desperation needed. The pictures of the massacre have been proven to be fake as mentioned in the article above by an Indian, and the all the experts of the 1971 war agree that the casualty figure, the reporting from the war itself was wrong..even the bangladeshi ambassador; unless they're all desperate :D

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I agree as mentioned in report that not all killings were done by Army and there were incidents of violence among Bengalis and others, but that doesnot mean Army was not responsible...and yes..I am sure if one thinks carefully he will know that Jassore was not the ONLY incident???

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Errmm, no, if you read the Bose report (and the Pakistani Hamdoor Commission Report) both do not completely absolve the Army of wrongdoing. There's no such thing as a clean war, and Indian Army is currently fighting one of the dirtiest in Kashmir right now, and not willing to acknowledge its atrocities when everyone else is reporting that they are torturing and killing people. In Assam too.

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My understanding of the events is that Pak armymen did commit crimes but Bengalis and Indians have historically sought to grossly exaggerate these crimes to rationalize and legitimize Indian support to Bahini 'terrorists'/ freedom-fighters, the creation of a separate country, and, in India's case, to malign their 'enemy'. Moreover, crimes committed by pro-freedom groups have never been highlighted or adequately analyzed partly because Pakistanis feel too ashamed of this chapter in their past, and many use it as merely a 'political goad' to discredit the military rulers. (Whether it is justified or not is a separate topic in its own right.)

Anyhow, as a Pakistani I'm ready to apologize to Bengalis for the mistakes made. But please don't ask me to apologize for things Pakistanis never did! :)

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If this is the kind of apology, then better not to apologize I feel.
By the way…why should anyone apologize for the mistakes he never did??

If you feel Pakitstan in past has apologized for any mistake which she never did..then please do let me know…I will be the first person to appreciate! :naraz:

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Pakistanis shouldnt apologize in my opinion. The rebellion was treachery, if anything the apologies should be on the other side.

There were excesses by some soldiers (as within any Army) they're regrettable, but unavoidable in war it seems.

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Matrubhoomi, I said mistakes were made, crimes were committed, and although I was born years after this debacle, as a Pakistani, I am ready to apologize to ordinary Bengalis, not Bahini or their supporters, for all those mistakes. But, again, don't ask me to apologize for things Pakistan never did.

Thankfully, now Bangladeshis themselves are accountable and responsible for their actions.

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I had read this article months ago. Unfortunately I lost it. Thanks for posting it here.

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Point is very clear, any Tom Dick and Harry gives his report, and we should not jump over it and try to negate the truth which sometimes may be bitter.

Finally… I would like to ask you…Do you agree with following
“Not all..but..definately brutal killings were being carried out by Pakistani Army

If yess…then simply apologize as a moderate Citizen and close this thread…by discussing like this you can only glorify those murderous armymens nothing else!!

You may discuss this out in Kashmir section..created “specially” in this forum, I guess to show so called “solidarity” with Kashmiris :hoonh:

btw…I don’t think the above statement relieves Pakitsani Army from Bengal killings!:frowning:

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Matrubhoomi, at least Bengalis got their freedom. Assamese, Sikhs and Kashmiris were never so lucky. The 'terrorists' operating there couldn't get enough foreign support. :)

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Nope, the point still hasnt gotten through your head. This was a report given to a collection of academic scholars and experts on the 1971 was at the South Asia in Crisis: United States Policy, 1961-1972 June 28-29, 2005 Loy Henderson Auditorium meeting/conference mentioned on the previous page.

All killings in war are brutal. But that is war, and brutal killings do happen. You do not go to war and expect no brutal killings to occur, or no undisciplined soldiers to exist within the ranks of your army. These are all the norms of warfare, and of every army.

And your missing this point. Brutal killing occurs in war. EVERY war. This one was no exception. The fault lay in the politics, the nationalistic campaigns of the Awami League, and partly in the failure of the Pakistani leadership to stick to the LFO.

Nope, it does not. And by the same token the Bengali muktihi bahini is just as guilty of “brutal killings” as the Pakistani Army..That is war. The people that should be apologizing are the people who started the war in the first place (war was declared by the Awami league leadership on the radio on the night of the 25th), those that whipped up nationalist sentiment, the people who joined in the war on the basis of influx of refugees into their country (as if this was the real reason). Pakistan Army had to be deployed in order to maintain law and order in East Pakistan as this was an integral member of the federation.

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...dear...one requires a lot patience and time to understand--what the term "freedom" vis-a-vis territorial integrity of a sovereign nation and geographical location means?
At least I can't explain it in "knock-em-out" type testosterone charged discussions like this!

What my personal limited experience is that...Not only Assamese, Sikhs, and Kashmiris...but also..Tamils, Marathas, Gujaratis, Telugus, Kannadigas, *Baluchis, Pashtuns, ethnic Punjabis, Shias etc. *(in Pakitsan as well) may demand freedom for their own individual nation from time to time, if there arises a political movement purely based on Local interests.

On a seperate note..requirement of freedom is also felt within family and society!