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The true Sufis-they fall not victim to human nature. They act ONLY according to the will of Allah, they do not speak unless Allah allows it and behave only in the ways pleasing to Allah. Surely they are the ladders between this world and the next plane-they are effectively super humans. They embody the will of Allah.
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Doesn't this explanation fit on ANGELS rather than Sufis.
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*Originally posted by Axiom: *
I think "that something" which seperates us is,"Recognizing one another as if we belong to some other group" That is why I insisted to be recognized as one unit which is Muslim. This grouping is what causes the Muslims to disunite.
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Not if we do have a open mind towards other sects and look into what causes the differences among us all...where do these differences come from... just for the sake of exploring the truth and not to promote hatredness. the reason i said that is because of the hadith i mentioned earlier... i think its our duty to search and stand for the truth and be firm of our beliefs. Since one of us is just right. I am not saying go on killing people from different sects as some extremist in Pakistan do. All my point is we need to be united but it shouldnt stop from seeking the truth.
Clues in the words "..super humans"....:)
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Not if we do have a open mind towards other sects and look into what causes the differences among us all...where do these differences come from... just for the sake of exploring the truth and not to promote hatredness. the reason i said that is because of the hadith i mentioned earlier... i think its our duty to search and stand for the truth and be firm of our beliefs. Since one of us is just right. I am not saying go on killing people from different sects as some extremist in Pakistan do. All my point is we need to be united but it shouldnt stop from seeking the truth.
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But the truth is already given to us in the form of Islam.
Famous Words:
"ISLAM IS THE ULTIMATE TRUTH" :)
As far as I can comprehend, these differences start arising when Muslims start going away from Islam, the ultimate truth.
Any way whatever is the cause of this difference among Muslims it should be sort out and dealt with. The Quran clearly asks us to "be not divided" amongst ourselves.
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Clues in the words "..super humans"....
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The concept of super humans exists only in fantasies not in the real world.
"And if any one obeyeth his own impulse to good,- be sure that Allah is He Who recogniseth and knoweth." (Al Baqarah: 158)
The context might not be all that fitting, but I think this really helps us in realising that if one is following a particular school of thought or sect (ideally which should not exist) with an impulse to follow the best path, there is no harm on his part; but it should not become a cause of division among the Muslim Ummah.
That was exactly what I was trying to say. But the words didn't just come out of me that way. Thanks for clearing it up BKW.
Are prophets then not superhumans Ax?
Saints are not prophets, obviously, but they are the inheritors of the prophets, they are the guides to Allah's way now-the embodiment of the sunnah and the true path. If Rasool Allah was the embodiment of the Quran, then the Saints are the embodiment of the Sunnah and all that is right and just.
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*Originally posted by Beatle_ki_wapsi: *
"And if any one obeyeth his own impulse to good,- be sure that Allah is He Who recogniseth and knoweth." (Al Baqarah: 158)
The context might not be all that fitting, but I think this really helps us in realising that if one is following a particular school of thought or sect (ideally which should not exist) with an impulse to follow the best path, there is no harm on his part; but it should not become a cause of division among the Muslim Ummah.
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It should not become a cause of division, however it has.... this issue needs to be sloved peacfully. I also agree that we need to take a look at our differences but let that be just that, we need to kirb that hatred and dislike, that is present within muslims.
Mo: we are discussing the the topic at hand, not about sufism!
If someone thinks, they can wipe out all the sects in Islam and make it one nation, then thats not gonna happen. The differences are too much. What is needed is an understanding and patience with people who don't subscribe to your exact thinking.
Even for small, everyday questions, there are more than one answer. In most cases, no answer is incorrect. Its just different ways of finding the answer. Like when you pray the namaaz, the position where you keep your hands may indicate which sect you belong to. Doesn't mean that those who stand with their arms on their sides are wrong or that those who have it on their waist are more correct than those who have it on their chest. All of them have valid reason for doing what they are doing.
Muslims just need to realize that those who believe in oneness of Allah Ta'llah and the Prophethood of Muhammad (Sallalah o Alaihai wassalam) are muslim. They should unite on that account. You don't have to give up your beliefs to join hands with someone who believes in a different imam. We don't know whats inside someone's heart. Let it be between him and his Creator. We can not wipe out sects, but we should learn to co-exist, help each other and unite under the banner of Islam.
Are the Sufi's not considered a "sect" of Islam?
In which case, (they are), the issue is legit. :)
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If someone thinks, they can wipe out all the sects in Islam and make it one nation, then thats not gonna happen. The differences are too much. What is needed is an understanding and patience with people who don't subscribe to your exact thinking.
Even for small, everyday questions, there are more than one answer. In most cases, no answer is incorrect. Its just different ways of finding the answer. Like when you pray the namaaz, the position where you keep your hands may indicate which sect you belong to. Doesn't mean that those who stand with their arms on their sides are wrong or that those who have it on their waist are more correct than those who have it on their chest. All of them have valid reason for doing what they are doing.
Muslims just need to realize that those who believe in oneness of Allah Ta'llah and the Prophethood of Muhammad (Sallalah o Alaihai wassalam) are muslim. They should unite on that account. You don't have to give up your beliefs to join hands with someone who believes in a different imam. We don't know whats inside someone's heart. Let it be between him and his Creator. We can not wipe out sects, but we should learn to co-exist, help each other and unite under the banner of Islam.
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Akhi, i agree! "Divided we fall, united we stand," how true is this when looking at the muslim ummah today. As you said we disagree about petty little issues. We have, for example, some from Shafi school who won’t pray behind a Hanafi. This is ridiculous! What would the Prophet sallalahu alayhi wasalaam say if he could see us now?
We should be united in faith and spirit, united with respect and tolerance for one another !
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Are the Sufi's not considered a "sect" of Islam?
In which case, (they are), the issue is legit. :)
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Yes sufi's are considered a sect of Islam, however we are not speaking about any particular sects, generally would you comment on how we can begin to unite.
Shokran...
Old skool beliefs. No longer apply.
**Sects are cool. You do need to filter out some Muslims for hell as well as for paradise. BTW, The 72 sects for hell and 1 for paradise ratio will maintain Jannah as an elite club with its Member Only Policy.
Anyone who claims he is only a Muslim and not following any sect is a Liar. **
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The only sect on true aqeedah is Ale E Sunnat Wa Al Jamaah, and the other sects are proverions of the truth which we still adhere to. (In ideology)
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And under what bases are we making this assumption??? would you please justify yourself here... Dont most of the other sects pray, fast, perform hajj, gives zakat, believe in quran and believes in the prophet hood of Mohammad P.B.U.H. What the part of their aqeedah that makes them true compare to others... i would really appreciate if you provide some feedback on your statement.
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Are prophets then not superhumans Ax?
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No they are normal humans just like you and me. The only difference is that they can communicate directly with God. The reason why Muhammad(SAWS) was made a human was so that we couldn't say "Islam is such a difficult religion. No human can follow it. Prophet Muhammad(SAWS) was more than human. That is why he followed it. We can't." One human[Prphet Muhammad(SAWS)] has followed Islam as Allah wants us to.Allah made that HUMAN an example for all HUMANS.
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Saints are not prophets, obviously, but they are the inheritors of the prophets, they are the guides to Allah's way now-the embodiment of the sunnah and the true path. If Rasool Allah was the embodiment of the Quran, then the Saints are the embodiment of the Sunnah and all that is right and just.
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In his last sermon, the Prophet(SAWS) said that he was leaving the Quran and Sunnah for all his Ummah. Not for a few selected people. All Muslims are inheritors of the Quran and Sunnah. Not only Sufis
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Most muslims, we can try to act according to the sharia ect, try our hardest-but our human nature often gets the better of us.
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islamic sharia has been designed by Allah to fit in with and take into account all the human natures and basic needs and other "so called weaknesses in the human being"
by the way how do you define SUPERHUMAN. I mean there must be a definition before we debate on it, eventhough Islam completely forbids being divided int sects.
Obviously not superhuman in the cartoon sense, but these are people who can do thinks beyond the comprihension of normal ppl. They have the direct ear of the prophet of Allah, and maintain a root at all times in the spiritual world-as well as this world.
Perfect Humans, a ray of light for this dunya. It is not unheard of that these ppl do miracles ect. They perfect the human condition so much, as to realy escape its physical confines and become one with the divine truth.
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The only sect on true aqeedah is Ale E Sunnat Wa Al Jamaah, and the other sects are proverions of the truth which we still adhere to. (In ideology)
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And you are willing to make that judgment by what authority?
Muslims should be closer together in there thoughts, convictions and aims. We should be working towards reconciliation... to gain muslim unity. Each sect has its own fundamental differences, let not those differences come in the way of living peacfully amongst eachother.
the prophet (pbuh) is reported to have said, "My community will be split up into seventy-three sects." This hadith reports that the prophet predicted the emergence of seventy-three sects. He did not say that Muslims should be active in dividing themselves into sects.
A muslim can agree with the views of any scholar, as long as an individual muslims belief conforms with the Quran and sunnah.
It's time for us all to re-evaluate our beliefs and see if the beliefs we have conform with what the quran and the prophet sallalahu alayhi wasalaam said!
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but these are people who can do thinks beyond the comprihension of normal ppl.
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Scientists? They can think beyond the comprehension of normal ppl.
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They have the direct ear of the prophet of Allah, and maintain a root at all times in the spiritual world-as well as this world.
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It can be done by any human. Imam's, Maulvi's and Muslim Scholar's for example.
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Perfect Humans, a ray of light for this dunya. It is not unheard of that these ppl do miracles ect. They perfect the human condition so much, as to realy escape its physical confines and become one with the divine truth.
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No human can escape the physical confines of death. So no human can be a superhuman.
Define it a little clearer.