Re: The sad tale of FC soldiers in Waziristan and Balochistan
F16s can be used for surveillance but I doubt it in the case for PAF or maybe even the jets we are receiving? In that article about the 18 f16s, it said that the first 2 f16s that came as free for pakistan were "refitted" for pakistani standards, though the guy remarked that it is still better than the A's and B's we fly since the eighties.
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Abbay yaar, what … kind of joke is this?
That guy, sticking his head out of the open truck, has so much “protection” that a pathan bachcha will rip out his head with a TT. I believe the Germans had better helmets than that in WORLD WAR II!!!
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workers on construction sites get better head protection. This is taking the piss literally.
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MadS, all those pictures are of soldiers either wearing WWII steel helmets (useless except for low intensity shrapnel) or no helmets and bullet proof vests that seem to be of medium protection only against 9mm rounds or less. In any case, they should not be in an open truck. That is just plain stupidity.
Do you not think amercian soldiers in Iraq's hot weather suffer from heat exhaustion? And they're not even used too the heat like we are. When a suicide bomber attacks them, do you think they will have time to put on a helmet? When you are on a combat patrol, you are trained to be always ready with full gear on. You don't put your gun or helmet by the side and wait for an attack. Reaction time is critical. I;m sure you know this, so your argument really is very strange.
And that last picture of FC in open trucks is very telling. That's just an easy kill and countless have happened. I don't think the army is serious in winning against taliban with these tactics.
How many of you would be willing to ride in an open truck with that gear in Waziristan or pats of Balochistan? We are living in the worlds of IEDs and suicide bombs. Time for the army to wake up to its own created evil.
Yeah, how in the world can the expect to NOT get killed in an open truck?!?
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Yess...!! poor soldiers...the playground to catch osama unkil is somewhere and the operation that is being carried is elsewhere by ISI!!!!. and poor waziris as well who are afflicted by this game.
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The death toll is 300+ soldiers killed in last 2 months alone.
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3 more killed, dozen wounded
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How do FC count as soldiers?
Wouldn’t they be para-soldiers since FC is para-military border force? 
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got anything better to add to the discussion?
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I guess there is nothing..
.. so topic should be closed and/or deleted! :p
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You got anything better to add to the discussion? 
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Yes. The question is do you!
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Call them whatever you like…
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2007\08\25\story_25-8-2007_pg7_7
Some Frontier Corps jawans desert force
By Iqbal Khattak
PESHAWAR: Some jawans of the Frontier Corps (FC) are reportedly deserting the force due to regular and violent attacks by the militants in the tribal areas bordering Afghanistan, sources told Daily Times on Friday.
Military spokesman Major General Waheed Arshad, however, called the desertion of a “few jawans insignificant incidents”.
An FC soldier who met Daily Times earlier this week said he had deserted from the force days before his deployment to North Waziristan because he did not “want to fight his own people”. The soldier, asking not to be named, said that he did not desert the force because he feared death, but it was difficult for him to understand whether the fighting in Waziristan was “Islamic or not”.
Asked why he thought so now after remaining in the force for 14 years, the soldier said: “This question is haunting several other soldiers and this confusion is stopping them from putting up a tough fight.” “We ask ourselves that if we die fighting in Waziristan will we be martyrs? No one is here to give an answer,” said the deserter who is now looking for a job to feed his family.
Maj Gen Arshad said that small-scale desertions could take place in any force and in any country for one reason or another. He added that thousands of people had enrolled for recruitment in the FC recently. The deserter hails from a poor eastern suburb of Peshawar where around six FC jawans reportedly deserted the force – the first line of defence against the Taliban and Al Qaeda elements in North and South Waziristan.
Another deserter said that insufficient salary was also one of the reasons the soldiers had deserted the force. “I was being paid Rs 4,500 only,” he said.
There are also reports of desertion among army soldiers in Waziristan, but these desertions don’t reflect the overall situation prevailing among the security forces. By 2006, more than 700 soldiers, including officers, were reported killed in clashes in the ongoing war on terror.
A military officer said the army suffered higher casualties because “the soldiers do not follow the standard operation procedures”.
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Yes. The question is do you!
I did but there is nothing much to add unlike you who has been trolling from the first post here.
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like you you mean
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Still think I’m wrong?
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People of Waziristan are peace-loving and these incidents are isolated incidents. I don't think we should hold anything against these inncoent tribal ppl who are killing FC soldiers by mistake.
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Nahin!!! you still didn’t get my point.. Dont go to Waziristan till they are naraaz with other Pakistanis.. Their naraazgi is not good for us:halo:if ur brother is naraaz with you- do you go and hit him? Just be quiet and he will come and hug you- this is exactly what we need to do in Waziristan.
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^^ 
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How about also removing moin's silly posts and not just the replies?